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ravensays...

We Ann Arborites still remember this outrageous event by annually holding 'Hash Bash' every spring, which usually centers around speeches and rallies for marijuana legalization... also, as a result of this incident, we have some of the most lenient marijuana laws in the country... which I can only say is 'kind', very 'kind'

deedub81says...

It's not okay to break a law that you don't agree with. I don't feel sorry for anyone who knowingly breaks the law and has to serve time as a result.

I don't think it's okay to celebrate criminals. If you don't like a law, there are better ways to protest than to ignore them.

gorillamansays...

It's immoral to break immoral laws? Do you not feel even a little dirty voicing that opinion?

I do agree there are better ways to protest such laws than breaking them, for example by executing everyone responsible for their existence.

ga16lucinosays...

amen gorillaman and Fedquip!!!

"One may well ask: How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others? The answer is found in the fact that there are two types of laws: There are just and there are unjust laws. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with Saint Augustine that An unjust law is no law at all."

-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

deedub81says...

Are you guys seriously comparing John Sinclair with Dr. King and Rosa Parks?


There's a difference between laws against drugs, or laws against...say...praying. It there were a law, that forced me to do something (or not do something) that went against my principles, that's a different story. John Sinclair just wanted to get high. That's a selfish reason for breaking the law. Don't act like he was doing something noble.

gorillamansays...

No more selfish or noble than other forms of recreation. The repression is the issue; you don't need a higher purpose simply to act within your rights.

Think harder. Be better.

deedub81says...

If it were against the law to drink pink lemonade, I wouldn't do it. I'd use other methods to get the law changed. I'd get people rallied to my cause and we'd change the world together.


(Smoking pot isn't being better, gorillaman.)

gorillamansays...

Would you honestly support the imprisonment of those who chose to drink pink lemonade anyway? An unjust law has no cause to be obeyed. Law exists as a tool to punish/prevent immoral behaviour, not define it.

Too many people today seem to believe breaking the law is a crime in itself.

rougysays...

"It's not okay to break a law that you don't agree with."

Then why do you keep defending George W. Bush and Dick Cheney?

By the way: when the hell are you going to prove you love America and join the Marines?

deedub81says...

Um... because I don't want to join the marines. Who said I support anyone who breaks the law, President or not? Did I say that?

...and gorillaman: "Too many people today seem to believe breaking the law is a crime in itself."

Crime - Noun. An act in violation of the penal laws of a state or the United States. A positive or negative act in violation of penal law.

www.id.uscourts.gov/terms-cd.htm


I believe in honoring and sustaining the law of the land. Sorry if you think that's wrong. Maybe you should move to Mexico where laws don't mean the same thing. You could just pick and choose which laws to follow. Let me know how that works out for you.

gorillamansays...

That's a stupid place to go for a definition of crime; you may as well ask Al-Qaeda to define 'terrorist'. Nevertheless, uscourts.gov agrees with me. It's the act that breaks not the act of breaking the law that concerns both of us. Once you understand that breaking the law in itself is totally neutral, neither moral nor immoral, you can progress to considering the morality of the actions involved.

You don't seem to have any reason for supporting prohibition beyond its already being in place, but I can tell you why I don't - the fundamental human right and fact of self-ownership. Abducting and imprisoning people for years at a time on no more justification than how they choose to administer their own body violates that right, and any authority that does so is corrupt.

I believe in honoring and sustaining fundamental human rights over the whims of corrupt lawmakers and the ignorant, bigoted mob that empowers them. Sorry if you think that's wrong.

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