Hah, the times when I didn't know - or give a fuck about - the gender or nationality of any of the folks who worked on the same project, I remember them as if it was yesterday. Wait .... it was!

I didn't care much when we still had to meet every now and then while working on our shareware back in the mid '90s, but once online repositories became available, it's been even less of a concern. Then again, those big open source projects -- I prefer to watch them from a safe distance. With binoculars, you might say. Tell the drama to stay away from me, I have a good supply of that already. No need for a surplus.

>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^kceaton1:
Habeas Corpus is the thing bothering me a lot. The fact that Obama almost flippantly discarded the issue angers me. As it means that: one, he doesn't care for habeas corpus when it comes to those that he believes committed crimes, and two, he wants him to rot for what he did, or lastly, he doesn't know enough about the issue to make a smart comment/decision.

Well, look at the transcript again. For one, we don't know what the question was, but we know the full answer was:

No, no, but look, I can’t conduct diplomacy on an open source. That’s not how…the world works. If you’re in the military, and…I have to abide by certain classified information. If I was to release stuff, information that I’m not authorized to release, I’m breaking the law…We’re a nation of laws. We don’t individually make our own decisions about how the laws operate…
He broke the law.

Does that sound like he's responding to a question about Manning's case, or something along the lines of "You don't think the American people deserve the right to know what its government is doing?"
That kind of question presumes that Manning did what he's accused of, and makes the case that the law Manning broke shouldn't be there...to which Obama says "we can have a philosophical difference...but he broke the law." That's why my initial comment was "bad on the activists for making this about the moral value of what Manning did, and not about Manning's right to a trial". That's an argument to take to the public in defense of Wikileaks, not an argument to take to Obama out of concern for Bradley Manning's treatment.
Don't get me wrong, I love to see everyone so concerned about habeas corpus and the presumption of innocence and all that, but I think people are misrepresenting what Obama actually meant here. I can live with the professional spin doctors willfully misreading the context to draw attention to their various rags, but I expect people here to be a touch more grounded.


This could very well be true. I just want to hear i from his mouth. The fact that it's been an issue for months with nothing said or done is the ridiculous part. No stance can change that part.

Yes, the activists do not follow the logic well. I'll agree with that. But, I also don't like my government hiding as much information as it does. I understand militarily it may be needed, but almost everywhere else it's fear of repercussions in politics and people trying to manipulate others.

>> ^kceaton1:

Habeas Corpus is the thing bothering me a lot. The fact that Obama almost flippantly discarded the issue angers me. As it means that: one, he doesn't care for habeas corpus when it comes to those that he believes committed crimes, and two, he wants him to rot for what he did, or lastly, he doesn't know enough about the issue to make a smart comment/decision.


Well, look at the transcript again. For one, we don't know what the question was, but we know the full answer was:

No, no, but look, I can’t conduct diplomacy on an open source. That’s not how…the world works. If you’re in the military, and…I have to abide by certain classified information. If I was to release stuff, information that I’m not authorized to release, I’m breaking the law…We’re a nation of laws. We don’t individually make our own decisions about how the laws operate…

He broke the law.

Does that sound like he's responding to a question about Manning's case, or something along the lines of "You don't think the American people deserve the right to know what its government is doing?"

That kind of question presumes that Manning did what he's accused of, and makes the case that the law Manning broke shouldn't be there...to which Obama says "we can have a philosophical difference...but he broke the law." That's why my initial comment was "bad on the activists for making this about the moral value of what Manning did, and not about Manning's right to a trial". That's an argument to take to the public in defense of Wikileaks, not an argument to take to Obama out of concern for Bradley Manning's treatment.

Don't get me wrong, I love to see everyone so concerned about habeas corpus and the presumption of innocence and all that, but I think people are misrepresenting what Obama actually meant here. I can live with the professional spin doctors willfully misreading the context to draw attention to their various rags, but I expect people here to be a touch more grounded.

See also from 2 years ago: http://videosift.com/video/Pandora-Open-source-hand-held-portable-video-gaming-device

>> ^imstellar28:

There's nothing "small" about a government which takes 30-50% of a person's income and maintains military bases in most countries on the planet.

My point was that "small" government is a stupid way of looking at things in the first place. If you accept the basic fundamental role of a state is to establish and enforce laws, you shouldn't be caring about whether it's "small" or not, but whether it's acting with the interest of the governed in mind, or not.
>> ^imstellar28:
You think the answer is giving more power to elected officials,

No. This is what the "small" government fallacy leads you to believe. Because I refuse to view everything through your lens of "small" vs. "big", you mislabel me as somehow being in favor of being for "big" government as an end in and of itself. Not true.

I think government should be like a giant open-source operating system. Everyone gets to use it, and anyone can contribute new and improved rules for making it work better. My goal is to try to persuade people to see society this way in general, because I think changing societal norms is the only long-term fix for any of these problems.

My point is that the arguments we should be having are "how do we make this system work well", and not spend all our time fighting about how many lines of code are in the OS, or how much memory it uses. I'm open to the idea that cutting lines of code or unnecessary features could make the system work better overall, but I'm vehemently against the idea that we must be single-mindedly focused on reducing the scope of the OS at all times.
>> ^imstellar28:
but what you keep ignoring is that the private sector is made up of the same types of people.

Actually, that's part of why I said that all this talk about "small" government is a distraction. The focus shouldn't be on moving public services into the private sector, it should be on holding the people who're not serving the public interest accountable, and finding systematic ways to prevent people like that from abusing the system.

If the argument is that privatization increases accountability, that's at least the right way to approach the topic. If the argument is that this is the systematic fix, I think you've got a lot of work to do to convince me there's any benefit to handing prison management over to a for-profit company...
>> ^imstellar28:
The monopoly on force (government) should persist only to enforce the rule of law, nothing more. Cultural development is a personal choice and as such must be left to the people because a single person (or group) should not decide the culture of a nation. And yes, I would say that roads, education, telecommunications, healthcare and the like are all cultural characteristics. They have to be because they have only existed for small portions of our history - whereas the rule of law has (conceptually) existed, unchanged, ever since the first two humans learned to communicate with each other.
Here I think we have a much bigger schism. Not the one you might think though -- I think we're part of the same culture. I think implicit in your statement is that because we disagree on some/most of these topics, we are by definition not part of the same culture, and I think as long as you're a citizen of the Western world, we're all in the same culture.

Beyond that, I think if I really pressed you on taxation, I think you'd eventually admit to believing there's a universal moral principle involved, and that it's not some sort of simple cultural preference, just like if you pressed me on health care, I'd admit to believing there's a universal moral principle involved, and that it's not some sort of simple cultural preference.

BTW, high speed rail, internet, phone, cable are all things we have that government didn't install. Rail roads also existed, as well as many open source programs and the like. Looks like rewriting history is in both parties. Also, what does that government know about high speed internet? What they will HAVE to do in the end is hire some private firm to advise then install it, crony capitalism at its best. Thanks for being a complete tool Biden, going back to my dump truck next to the tubes.

I agree with DRM "punishing your customers". The only DRM I can tolerate is what Steam uses to encrypt files. And that's because Steam is more convenient than physical media and constantly-patching all your PC games.

Disagree with his notion of "always on" network connection solving the DRM problem. Ubisoft does this with their newer titles, and I don't like it. Even for single player games, like Assassins Creed 2, you have to be constantly connected. You lose your connection, game pauses or doesn't start. Ubi's servers went down too - no one could play AC2 for 6 hours the day after it was released. They claim it was a DOS attack, but likely it was unexpected demand. Oh, can't confirm it, but that DRM was already patched out and there are pirated versions of UBI games out there already. I won't purchase any new UBI game which uses this Always-On-DRM.

The reward system is up to the reseller, not up to the publisher. Truth is that resellers don't make much profit from selling new games. That is why Gamestop is always pushing their used titles (and have rewards program for it) - the profit margin is astoundingly higher. Although the publisher can offer some rebates, like if you own the prior title, you get a discount on the sequel. These are few and far between though.

I bought a PS3 to put linux on it. But that was when it first came out, and there aren't many games on it, so no compelling reason to own it. I only put linux on it to try out Cell programming. Honestly YDL was slooooowwwww on the PS3. Other than Cell programming, there's no compelling reason to put linux on a PS3. Sony was selling the PS3 at a loss, and could do so because of future profits from selling games. I'm not sure if the newer Slim models are profitable or not, but I understand them removing support for it. (my conspiracy theory is that IBM also twisted their arm, since a Cell-BE blade or workstation is $8000+). Now, I use my PS3 for games occasionally, but mostly for blu-ray. I don't feel ripped off. The PS3 still does quite a lot, just not Everything.

Disagree with "shuts off servers for favorite game" argument too. If they want to stop running "official servers" fine - but they should just release open-source version of a dedicated server for anyone who wants to run their own server, after they stopped caring about their old titles. id software consistently released the source for their entire games, not just the server.

I don't think I've ever heard of someone justifying piracy because there was no demo available...Did anyone pirate a game just to try it, then like it and buy the full version? I've heard of people buying the game, hating the DRM, then getting the crack for it so they could actually play what they paid for.

He left out high school and college students (bulk of game pirates) in the "I'm too poor" argument. They all got the consoles or PC's as presents from their parents, and can't budget $60/month for games because they aren't working. And if the parents are already paying for their housing and food, they don't want to buy their kids new games every month, so those kids do what's easy - pirate games.

In all though, I do agree with him - that you should pay for games because developers worked hard on them.

Also if you see a title that is older and discounted, and a new copy is $19.99 and the used one is $17.99 - please buy the new one, cause the developers get $0.00 from used game sales.

Fruit Loops are an excellent (open) source of vitamins and sugar.

Interesting. I pretty much only use PS3 to play games (which is rare), watch BDMVs, stream NetFlix and as a DLNA device (PlayOn, PS3 Media Server). It would be cool to play SNES/NES ROMS on there. I wish there was a better DLNA interface other than the stupid folders. That's what irks me the most, to be honest.

Let me know what you do with it when you hack it.

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
As soon as I got my PS3 I realized it had more potential than playing games...since I'm not even a big gamer I figured I should utilize everything available. Eventually I caught up with the history of PS3's open-source origins. Originally you were able to load linux and install your own files onto PS3 as if it were any ol' computer. Then they decided to take that away with an update (firmware >3.41). Since they were advertising an open sourced system, they couldn't legally take that away without being sued (which they were) so they claimed the updates were optional. Here's the kicker, without the updates you could no longer watch blue-ray nor access playstation network, nor play many of the games.

*enter hackers*
They pretty much found ways to hack ps3, but as far as I know it requires actual hardware that you must purchase. These days it is pretty cheap hardware.

It's hard to pretend like I'm totally pissed about this since I didn't even own a PS3 when open-source was king, but now that I know it did exist, I want a piece of that vintage console.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
You have lofty goals for your PS3. I never thought about it, to be honest, but it sounds like you've got an even better idea for the PS3 - let me know how all that works out. I wish there was a way to change the DLNA interface to something better. Maybe there is somewhere? Would be nice if you could modify that.

And sorry I mean VNC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Network_Computing

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Yes...the PS3 interface is horrid. I have 50 giggle-bytes (sounds cuter) of music on my laptop...are you saying I have to search through all the folders of music and porn...er...videos? I found a way around this though...I have winamp remote and I use the PS3 browser to log into orbcast which is a front end for winamp remote. That let's me search, so it's a little better. What's a VCN? I mostly want a media server actually connected to my television so that I can easily run programs straight from the source. I like the front end of those moxy boxee foxy roxy soxy and lixy programs. I think some of those I made up though.

Also, the Hulu shows that are on PlayON are the same as the ones on Hulu plus...which exclude a lot of good shows you can watch on the good ol' fashioned internet. They figured since most PS3's are hooked to TV and most computers are hooked up to smaller monitors, people will keep their cable bills if they keep some of the shows via internet only. The PS3 browser, if you haven't notice, won't play ANY Hulu...and that's no accident.

A jailbreak would allow me to potentially have an open source PS3 (just as god intended it). They came up with some bullshit that open source would be a security threat to the playstation network...when really it's all copyright bullshit that companies like Hulu and those clients of Hulu have agreed upon. If I want to run yellow dog linux on my PS3, why shouldn't I be able to do that? Then I wouldn't need to struggle through the PS3 interface. Also, I'd like to load some emulators for SNES onto my playstation...god forbid Nintendo gives rights to sell Super Mario Bros Allstars to Sony.

As soon as I got my PS3 I realized it had more potential than playing games...since I'm not even a big gamer I figured I should utilize everything available. Eventually I caught up with the history of PS3's open-source origins. Originally you were able to load linux and install your own files onto PS3 as if it were any ol' computer. Then they decided to take that away with an update (firmware >3.41). Since they were advertising an open sourced system, they couldn't legally take that away without being sued (which they were) so they claimed the updates were optional. Here's the kicker, without the updates you could no longer watch blue-ray nor access playstation network, nor play many of the games.

*enter hackers*
They pretty much found ways to hack ps3, but as far as I know it requires actual hardware that you must purchase. These days it is pretty cheap hardware.

It's hard to pretend like I'm totally pissed about this since I didn't even own a PS3 when open-source was king, but now that I know it did exist, I want a piece of that vintage console.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
You have lofty goals for your PS3. I never thought about it, to be honest, but it sounds like you've got an even better idea for the PS3 - let me know how all that works out. I wish there was a way to change the DLNA interface to something better. Maybe there is somewhere? Would be nice if you could modify that.

And sorry I mean VNC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Network_Computing

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Yes...the PS3 interface is horrid. I have 50 giggle-bytes (sounds cuter) of music on my laptop...are you saying I have to search through all the folders of music and porn...er...videos? I found a way around this though...I have winamp remote and I use the PS3 browser to log into orbcast which is a front end for winamp remote. That let's me search, so it's a little better. What's a VCN? I mostly want a media server actually connected to my television so that I can easily run programs straight from the source. I like the front end of those moxy boxee foxy roxy soxy and lixy programs. I think some of those I made up though.

Also, the Hulu shows that are on PlayON are the same as the ones on Hulu plus...which exclude a lot of good shows you can watch on the good ol' fashioned internet. They figured since most PS3's are hooked to TV and most computers are hooked up to smaller monitors, people will keep their cable bills if they keep some of the shows via internet only. The PS3 browser, if you haven't notice, won't play ANY Hulu...and that's no accident.

A jailbreak would allow me to potentially have an open source PS3 (just as god intended it). They came up with some bullshit that open source would be a security threat to the playstation network...when really it's all copyright bullshit that companies like Hulu and those clients of Hulu have agreed upon. If I want to run yellow dog linux on my PS3, why shouldn't I be able to do that? Then I wouldn't need to struggle through the PS3 interface. Also, I'd like to load some emulators for SNES onto my playstation...god forbid Nintendo gives rights to sell Super Mario Bros Allstars to Sony.

You have lofty goals for your PS3. I never thought about it, to be honest, but it sounds like you've got an even better idea for the PS3 - let me know how all that works out. I wish there was a way to change the DLNA interface to something better. Maybe there is somewhere? Would be nice if you could modify that.

And sorry I mean VNC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Network_Computing

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
Yes...the PS3 interface is horrid. I have 50 giggle-bytes (sounds cuter) of music on my laptop...are you saying I have to search through all the folders of music and porn...er...videos? I found a way around this though...I have winamp remote and I use the PS3 browser to log into orbcast which is a front end for winamp remote. That let's me search, so it's a little better. What's a VCN? I mostly want a media server actually connected to my television so that I can easily run programs straight from the source. I like the front end of those moxy boxee foxy roxy soxy and lixy programs. I think some of those I made up though.

Also, the Hulu shows that are on PlayON are the same as the ones on Hulu plus...which exclude a lot of good shows you can watch on the good ol' fashioned internet. They figured since most PS3's are hooked to TV and most computers are hooked up to smaller monitors, people will keep their cable bills if they keep some of the shows via internet only. The PS3 browser, if you haven't notice, won't play ANY Hulu...and that's no accident.

A jailbreak would allow me to potentially have an open source PS3 (just as god intended it). They came up with some bullshit that open source would be a security threat to the playstation network...when really it's all copyright bullshit that companies like Hulu and those clients of Hulu have agreed upon. If I want to run yellow dog linux on my PS3, why shouldn't I be able to do that? Then I wouldn't need to struggle through the PS3 interface. Also, I'd like to load some emulators for SNES onto my playstation...god forbid Nintendo gives rights to sell Super Mario Bros Allstars to Sony.

Yes...the PS3 interface is horrid. I have 50 giggle-bytes (sounds cuter) of music on my laptop...are you saying I have to search through all the folders of music and porn...er...videos? I found a way around this though...I have winamp remote and I use the PS3 browser to log into orbcast which is a front end for winamp remote. That let's me search, so it's a little better. What's a VCN? I mostly want a media server actually connected to my television so that I can easily run programs straight from the source. I like the front end of those moxy boxee foxy roxy soxy and lixy programs. I think some of those I made up though.

Also, the Hulu shows that are on PlayON are the same as the ones on Hulu plus...which exclude a lot of good shows you can watch on the good ol' fashioned internet. They figured since most PS3's are hooked to TV and most computers are hooked up to smaller monitors, people will keep their cable bills if they keep some of the shows via internet only. The PS3 browser, if you haven't notice, won't play ANY Hulu...and that's no accident.

A jailbreak would allow me to potentially have an open source PS3 (just as god intended it). They came up with some bullshit that open source would be a security threat to the playstation network...when really it's all copyright bullshit that companies like Hulu and those clients of Hulu have agreed upon. If I want to run yellow dog linux on my PS3, why shouldn't I be able to do that? Then I wouldn't need to struggle through the PS3 interface. Also, I'd like to load some emulators for SNES onto my playstation...god forbid Nintendo gives rights to sell Super Mario Bros Allstars to Sony.



In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Not a fan of Playon, huh? Well, it's probably the PS3's DLNA interface that bothers you the most. Question, how are you using it if you don't have a media server? My configuration is an old PC I was going to get rid of connected to my wireless router via ethernet cable. I run PS3 Media Server and Playon (I also run a VCN so I can access it without having to plug in a keyboard or mouse.).

I don't use boxee or any of the other DLNA units, just the PS3 because I already own it. The interface isn't awesome, but whatever. And playon is great for me because it was a one time fee of $80-90 bucks which is a single month's cable bill, to be honest. And now I only pay for NetFlix, and my Hulu stream is free. You can't beat free.

What's the benefits of jailbreaking your PS3?

In reply to this comment by rottenseed:
I have playon, I don't like it as much as I like the user interfaces of Hulu, Netflix, etc. However, I do like that you can download scripts for channels. I use it for comedy central, cartoon network, etc. I'm about halfway sure that I'm going to build a media center so that I can use moxi boxee and all the other 'ox-(ies). I just don't know if I want to spend close to a grand doing it. Or $600 at the least.

Oh and check this out: http://www.ps3breakstore.com/

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
I use PS3 Media Server and Playon. Playon costs, but there's a onetime fee only.

I second Audacity as a great piece of open source software, nice sound editor.

>> ^dag:

wow. wow. Really impressive. A very different approach than the massive industrial ASIMO - but, maybe coming from the toy angle and scaling up is a better way to go. I hope he open sources the software and lets people tinker.


I WANT!!!!

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wow. wow. Really impressive. A very different approach than the massive industrial ASIMO - but, maybe coming from the toy angle and scaling up is a better way to go. I hope he open sources the software and lets people tinker.