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Again, conflation- I think you'll find that Flash does in fact run on Mac OS X- I wouldn't have started this site without it. And I actually had a little LOL when you said that Steve Jobs is keeping Direct X off of Macs. Really - is he keeping it off of Linux as well? [sigh]

I know it's very cool to hate on Apple at the moment - they are the victims of their own success. Apple as a fashion is very passé and hipsters gain cool points for dissing the Man, Steve Jobs - but I use Windows every day at my day gig- and I will give up my MacBook when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.

>> ^ForgedReality:
>> ^dag:
I think you are conflating two different platform arguments. The Mac is not the iPad. If you're saying that OpenGL does not have direct access to the GPU on Macs- that's incorrect.
It's actually kind of funny that for you - the Mac is a "closed platform" for using an open standard like OpenGL compared with Microsoft's VERY proprietary - DirectX.
But yeah, Apple's all closed and shit - boo, Steve Jobs.
>> ^ForgedReality:
>> ^dag:
I'm finding Portal to be fast and good-looking on my MBP. >> ^ForgedReality:
At first, I was like, "OH LOOK! MACS CAN PLAY STEAM GAMES NOW! WOOHOOO!"
Then I was like, "Fuck. This is slow as shit! I'm going back to playing on my Windows PC."


Perhaps for a Mac, but the problem is, it uses OpenGL, which Valve's games are not as well-optimized for. A Windows machine with similar specs could run at higher settings with much improved framerate, and better visuals.
Last time I played an OGL game (which, granted has been some time), there were quite a few extensions that could not be ported over from DirecX, as there just was no OpenGL counterpart. I'm sure things have improved since then though.
But the problem is in Apple's clenched fist. It's a shame that Ol' Steve-o has such an extreme closed-platform mindset, because, really, all it does is harm his users' experience. Except, of course, where his concern is, when it causes problems such as incompatibility for his users. But really, were he more open to outside influence, any such problems could easily be worked out in short order, since Macs generally have a fairly standardized set of hardware.


Hehe.. No no no. I never suggested that OpenGL does not have access to the GPU, I said that the games recently brought to the MacOS via Steam are not optimized for OpenGL, and that, hopefully, with time, they would start to run better on the Mac.
Also, by "closed," meant that Steve Jobs wants the Mac to run the way he wants to run it. He has an interest in "protecting" his users in ways that PC users are not protected. He seems to have an almost paranoid obsession with having a major say in what users are able to do on their systems, as he has to "okay" every technology brought to the OS.
This is why he doesn't allow DirectX or Flash.

Both systems have their strengths and weaknesses and both can become tyrannical in absence of the other. I don't want pure socialism or pure capitalism. Give me a hybrid. Let industry build my car and my government build me a road to drive it on. Let industry make my macbook and my government build me an arpanet to connect it to.

"Socialism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social." -MLK

upvote for the forward comment, but despite being a new and happy Macbook Pro owner, I agree with hpqp

YT:
These speed tests were filmed at actual web page rendering times. If you're interested in the technical details, read on!

Equipment used:

- Computer: MacBook Pro laptop with Windows installed
- Monitor - 24" Asus: We had to replace the standard fluorescent backlight with very large tungsten fixtures to funnel in more light to capture the screen. In addition, we flipped the monitor 180 degrees to eliminate a shadow from the driver board and set the system preferences on the computer to rotate 180 degrees. No special software was used in this process.
- 15Mbps Internet connection.
- Camera: Phantom v640 High Speed Camera at 1920 x 1080, films up to 2700 fps


"Why does allrecipes.com in the potato gun sequence appear at once, and not the text first and images second? And why does it appear to render from bottom of the screen to the top?"

Chrome sends the rendered page to the video card buffer all at once, which is why allrecipes.com appears at once, and not with the text first and images second. Chrome actually paints the page from top to bottom, but to eliminate a shadow from the driver board, we had to flip the monitor upside down and set the system preferences in Windows to rotate everything 180 degrees, resulting in the page appearing to render from bottom to top.

"Why does the top one third of the page appear first on the weather.com page load?"

Sometimes only half the buffer gets filled before the video card sends its buffer over to the LCD panel. This is because Chrome on Windows uses GDI to draw, which does not do v-sync.

"The screen wipes are so smooth - how was that achieved?"

The screen wipes up in a gradated wipe because LCD pixels take around 10ms to flip and gradually change color.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'comparison, ipad, macbook, typing' to 'comparison, ipad, macbook, typing, fail, terrible' - edited by blankfist

>> ^dag:

I haven't found Camino to be particularly fast. It's like Firefox without the capability of extensions. Chrome is the browser to beat for me at the moment.

Camino is lean and open source. Not a lot of whizzy-pop. It's fast because it's not a huge, clunky browser like Safari or Firefox. I surf VideoSift a lot on my Macbook Air, and there's a major issue with one of the MBA's processors shutting off while playing videos, and vids become choppy and the computer non-responsive.

Camino is lean therefore faster for me. I haven't used Chrome on Mac, but I'm not a fan of it on PC.

The iPad. Still sucks. I can see Jobs having another purpose for it besides it just being a large iPod Touch, and I'm thinking that would (or should!) involve tv and movies. I would hope he's thinking of something more than what it currently will be. Otherwise it will fall into the land of misfit toys like the Apple TV, the powermac g4 cube, Apple's weird iMac "hockey puck" mouse and the Newton.

Either way, if it fails it won't hurt the company. Apple has created a fantastic array of tech toys and computers. My Mac Pro Tower is awesomely fast! The MacBook Air is great for typing while I shit, which I'm doing at the moment. And you're welcome for the image.

I own a Droid and my gf owns an iPhone. I still like aspects of the iPhone's usability and interface better. I wouldn't want an iPhone, though. I like my Droid, and it has things that I like that Apple's Iphone doesn't have. I can literally press a button, say "map to tacos" and have the first Google searched result come back as a map that I can then send right into their built in GPS! That's brilliant! Also it makes phone calls. Okay, time to wipe.

Apparently 15 people, two of them Kings, don't give a fuck about your sponsorship. Well, 14 people and one more who likes to push buttons.

Don't worry, Dag. I won't cry "free speech" or mention the fall of Western Civilization because of this post. It's just a shitty video on a decent website in the Macbook at which I am currently staring. I don't give a fuck what you do with the video, or with my account. Hobble me, temp ban me, stick me in a locked bathroom stall with blankfist and gwiz; it's your choice.

But please, won't somebody think of the sponsors? I mean...children?

Money talks, I know.

Maybe if I had sent a little dinero to your cause I wouldn't be in chains. Damn, I should have helped during that single fundraiser you had that one time. I could totally have a VS cotton poly blend tee, right?

I am not a crook.

Outstanding.

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*promote

Seriously, this is so ironic I just don't know where to begin....

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Anecdote doesn't prove anything. My Macbook is 5 years old, I've mistreated it horribly, but it's still going strong. >> ^blankfist:
>> ^dag:
When you buy one (and some of you will) - you have to back to this thread and explain how you didn't really understand- and that using it is so much fun because it "just works".

My Macbook Air is in the shop. It stopped working. It's barely a year old.

>> ^dag:
When you buy one (and some of you will) - you have to back to this thread and explain how you didn't really understand- and that using it is so much fun because it "just works".


My Macbook Air is in the shop. It stopped working. It's barely a year old.

They won't miss these added features because those primarily exposed to Apple's mass marketed products won't expect them by default. If Apple can define tablet PC to lack or not require GPS, a camera, possibly even Flash then that will define their expectations. I'm sure more are and will remain oblivious to the likes of the Archos 5G/9 which is superior to the iPad and does everything it should:

Archos 9 - $600
1.76 lbs.
1.1Ghz ATOM Z510. Runs Windows 7.
8.9", 1024 x 600 pixels resistive, LED backlight.
10.08" x 5.28" x 0.67" thick
7.4v Lithium-Polymer battery, 5 hours, removeable. 36W (12v @ 3a) power adapter.
HDD 60GB (1.8")
WiFi (802,11b/g), Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Microphone.
Stereo Speakers.
Headphone jack.
1.3mp Webcam,
Optical trackpoint mouse,L/R mouse buttons.
Built-in Stand, 2-positions.
USB port.
Lotus Symphony included: Documents, Spreadsheets, Presentations.

iPad - Starting at $500, but $700 for that amount of hard drive space.
1.5 lbs.
1Ghz A4. Runs iPad OS 3.2.
9.7", 1024 x 768 pixels, capacitive, LED backlight, IPS, Oleophobic
9.56" x 7.47" x 0.5" thick.
25Whr Lithium-Polymer battery, 10 hours, fixed. 10W (5v @ 2a) power adapter.
16GB, 32GB, or 64GB flash memory.
WiFi (802,11a/b/g/n), Bluetooth 2.1 (EDR)
Microphone.
Speakers: Mono Audio.
Headphone jack.
iPad versions of iLife apps: $9.99 each (x 3).

Also I think the user utility associated with Apple's products is exaggerated. It's simplicity that they do well, and again the kind of people who are not aware of the customization they might appreciate, are missing out on and might benefit from are the same people that laud it. That and the fact that user utility feels like it's too often conflated with style. The scroll wheel on the iPod sure was a fancy marketing gimmick but having used a 5G iPod now for over a year, I would gladly get tactile controls back. There's simply no comparison, and really the only thing I can assume is Apple users who claim it's efficient have no frame of reference. The same can be said with OS X, sure it's full of stylish transitions, animations and some good features, but I'd wager especially with how familiar everyone is with Windows, it's no more of an efficient work tool. I see Jobs made a big deal about pointing out that the iPad will have a similar user interface to the iPhone. I think that drives home the point that there's nothing that immensely intuitive about Apple devices. They still must be learnt. People are simply more willing to invest time into learning to how to use an interface of a device that is more popular and they predict will be around for a longer time.

Coming back to the iPad, I still think even the average consumer is going to be pissed off by the lack of some features. It's pretty clear that they didn't just want to make a portable internet device that surpasses the iPhone in usability, they wanted to make something that clearly doesn't eat into the market share of their budget MacBook and MacBook Air. They could have loaded a desktop OS on it, but they purposely didn't. I think many will struggle with the idea that an internet device like this can't do Flash, doesn't have a USB port and can't run their favourite PC/Mac programs.

That may be it's downfall or marketing, and simplicity as you mentioned may win out. If Apple says 'revolutionary' enough, maybe they won't realise this device is bested by something that came out in October 2009.

I do like the form factor and the extended battery life. If it has full functionality on the web then it actually does look like it would be great for that. I like the direction the tech is going in at least.

Can it be used as an actual computer? In other words, can I plug a mouse and keyboard into it, prop it up on my desk, and use it for all the things a normal computer can be used for? Could I install all the software that a normal macbook can run?

As I said in another similar video, I'd be happy with a $300 netbook that can open 180 degrees. Is this thing, with its 1Ghz cpu, more or less powerful than a 1.66Ghz netbook? I look forward to some reviews from people who don't sound like they're about to piss their pants just from touching the damn thing.

sweet! this means i am getting a macbook

>> ^JiggaJonson:
23 Macbooks, 14 iPhones and 9 iPods?!?!?!?
that's like 50 billion dollars worth of shit man!!!


"shit" here, being the important point.