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How does the US general presidential election process work?

How does the US general presidential election process work?

newtboy jokingly says...

Not quite.
If this was really representative of the US election process, the kids should both be trying to drowned each other and the cat should take a crap in the tub.
Dad's reaction was totally representative of the media though. Something bad happens so dad focuses in and eggs it on instead of doing anything helpful.

Next leak will lead to arrest of Hillary Clinton – Assange

Farhad2000 says...

RT is literally called Russia Today a wholly sponsored media channel of the Kremlin, it's like the Fox News of Putin.

Julian Assange is waging a personal war against the Obama/Clinton administration, some Australian hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy because he won't face rape allegations in Sweden shouldn't be the one to dictate how the American people should vote.

He is implying that Clinton blaming the email leak on Russians means that she will be terrible at foreign policy not mentioning that 3 separate cyber security firms found traces indicating the hack was carried out by Russians. It's so sensitive now. They release proof Russia is dabbling with US elections how will the American people react?

Selectively releasing damaging information against one candidate against another is not just some idealistic truth to power its manipulation of elections. I wouldn't mind if BOTH the DNC and RNC emails get released but this is a very one-sided attack. But think what that scenario even implies. Should all federal government briefings be open to the public because WikiLeaks says so?

Where are the WikiLeaks on Russia's war in Ukraine? Or the assassination of Boris Nemtsov?

Samantha Bee - Meet Gary Johnson

ChaosEngine says...

Well, A) I can't* (I live in NZ and I'm not a US citizen) and B) while he's hilariously weird, I probably disagree with more of his platform than Hillarys (I'd need to spend a bit more time researching his stance on the issues)

* although they really should let the rest of the world vote in US elections; it would be a lot saner.

Lawdeedaw said:

How about off decency alone? We have fallen into a pit trap of voting for people (Who are bought out by the rich) just because they promise us things will be different under them...do it Chaos, for your own morals.

Hillary SuperPac runs first Anti-Trump ad in several states

ChaosEngine says...

That is factually incorrect.

There are 4051 pledged delegates available. So to win the pledged delegate count, you only need 2026. Hillary currently has 2203.

You need 2383 INCLUDING the superdelegates (Hillary has 2777).

On both counts, Hillary has won.

It's over. Bernie lost.

I don't like it either, but short of Hillary being unable to accept the nomination for some reason (dying, dropping out, being disqualified somehow), she is now the presumptive Democratic nominee. If Bernie is staying in the race, it's only to gain some leverage (maybe a VP ticket?)

That said, I agree that this is a pretty weak attack on Trump. Everyone already knows he's an asshole, and his supporters clearly give zero fucks about insulting people with disabilities. They probably think it's hilarious.

newtboy said:

A candidate needs 2383 PLEDGED delegates to win the nomination. She has 2184. Because there seems to be some question among Clinton supporters, 2184 < 2383. She's 199 short. That doesn't mean Sanders has much chance, it means the claim that "she won the nomination" is a BOLD FACED LIE that apparently 90% of Americans are gullible and ignorant enough to buy. Don't be a sucker and fall for then repeat another lie. Wait for the convention before calling her the nominee. She didn't win yet.

Progressive Dems To Clinton: This Race isn't Over

ChaosEngine says...

@newtboy and @ForgedReality
First up, I'm not saying I like Hillary, but let's be real here; Trump is much, much worse.

Hillary's a liar and a felon (citation needed, btw)?
Trump wants to bring back torture, to close the country to Muslims and deliberately bomb people's families. Yeah, he might not get to do any of that, but the fact that he WANTS to is fucking terrifying.
So, yes, she's undoubtedly the lesser of two evils.

As for voting for someone other than Hillary or Trump, as far as I'm aware, right now, there aren't any other candidates announced (assuming Hillary gets the Dem nomination, which she will, as I already explained because numbers).

A quick google doesn't show any other third party candidates (although it did reveal that Roseanne Barr once ran!) for this year. Bernie has said nothing about running as an independent, so right now your options are almost certainly Trump or Clinton.

But let's say for the sake of argument that Hillary gets the dem nod and Bernie decides to run as an independent.

Now in a sane political system, I would absolutely advocate voting for your favourite candidate, but the US election system is so fundamentally broken that voting for Bernie would hand Trump the election. That's the reality.

@Baristan
"Voting your conscience and losing to Trump is far better!!! Eventually a third party can form and whittle away at the two sided party. "

No, that doesn't happen. *related=http://videosift.com/video/The-Problems-with-First-Past-the-Post-Voting-Explained

A third party rises up, splits the vote of it's nearest rival and then disappears over the next couple of election cycles.

Your voice is already inconsequential. The US badly needs election reform.

It SUCKS, and by FSM, I really hope I'm wrong. Maybe Bernie will somehow snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, but it's just really unlikely.

But above all, you cannot elect Trump. If you really think he wouldn't be worse than Hillary, then I'm sorry, but you're fucking delusional.

Look, I REALLY wanted Bernie to win. I even checked if there was some way I could donate to his campaign as a non-US citizen. But it didn't happen. You (plural, US voters, especially democrats) had your chance and y'all done fucked it up and now you have to live with the choices you've made.

eric3579 (Member Profile)

radx says...

It had to happen some day: Frankie Boyle commented on the US election.

Appetizer: "[...]Ted Cruz: a cross between a permanently disappointed sitcom vampire and the high school yearbook photo of every serial killer of the modern era."

Stephen Colbert: Trump "knows who the real audience is"

dag says...

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Weird to see Colbert in a semi-serious mode. US election is feeling kind of apocalyptic to me at this point, as viewed from a distance in Australia.

McCain & U.S. Government Called Treasonous at Townhall

VoodooV says...

I see that as part of the problem. There is an almost cult-like worship of the military and the people who have served. (oh no VoodooV is anti-military! lynch him!).

They bring a vast amount of experience and insight to the table? Of course they do, but are they the end all be all? Are they fundamentally better/superior to people who haven't been in the military? Not so much. If you think they are Then you seem to have trouble with that pesky concept of equality.

There is a fundamental pressure every US elected official ever has experienced to not "appear weak" That can often lead to unnecessary chest thumping and saber rattling as history has shown time and time again can get us into trouble. But it is a reality that you have better odds at winning an elected office if you served than if you hadn't and people need to fundamentally re-consider that line of reasoning.

Quite honestly, McCain is part of the old guard, the old way of thinking. We can't afford to think like that any longer. As technology continues racing ahead, The world becomes an increasingly small place and we have GOT to figure out how to get along with each other. Of course there will always be a need to have/show military force, but it's a scalpel, not a blunt object.

To me it seems like McCain is just becoming more and more incompetent. If there is any...ANY grain of truth to how they failed to vet Sarah Palin because they both thought they other guy did the vetting, that is just this huge failure and that McCain simply didn't care or pay attention to what was going on in his campaign and to me that speaks volumes as to how he would have led the country.

Time for retirement John.

But here is where I defend him. He wouldn't be where he is at right now if people didn't choose him. Whether I agree with him or not, He is doing what he thinks is best because the voters put him there. There is no mustache twirling villain. The world doesn't work that way. @arekin is absolutely right. There is a massive compulsion that whenever a vote doesn't go someone's way, then obviously the bad guys won and that everything they do will be evil, all the absurd arguments like "he's not MY president," or "I don't think he's a citizen," or "he's not a REAL American" are just lies people tell themselves to make them feel better. This isn't an episode of Scooby Do where if you solve the mystery you get to pull the mask off and the villain says "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"

Talk is cheap Mr. Speaker, if you want to be in power so you can "arrest the gov't" put your money where your mouth is, STFU and run for office then asshole. Convince the people you're right and lets see if you can do any better. That's how the system works! If there is one negative to the Internet is the massive amount of armchair quarterbacking the Internet breeds. Countless millions of people who seem to honestly think they would do a better job. Well hey, you know what? I'm sure there are some of you out there that COULD do a better job, but if you're not going to throw your hat into the ring and walk the walk then I've got no time for your rambling and conspiracy theories.

McCain's response to his speech was fucking perfect. Not only did he call him out to run for office, He pointed out that he IS governing with the consent of the people. So if you don't like it, do a little community organizing of your own and convince the people to demand better. Oh shit, that takes effort! fuck it then!

No one really takes power. The people will always be strong enough (with or without guns) to thwart anyone who takes power. In reality, power is given. There are countless mechanisms of peaceful change in our gov't. Use them or shut the fuck up.

IMO, the single best thing we could do for gov't is to COMPLETELY REMOVE ALL PRIVATE MONEY FROM OUR ELECTIONS AND ABOLISH LOBBYING. It's because of all the corporate influence in our gov't that we probably get into these shenanigans in the first place.

kevingrr said:

I'm sorry you can have you differences of opinion and you can voice them, but to say John McCain is guilty of treason is absurd.

Does he often advocate military engagement? Yes.

But is that treason? No.

John McCain is a real veteran. Someone who has seen combat, been injured, and spent four years as a Prisoner of War (POW). I think he loves this country. I don't always agree with him on policy issues, but I believe that.

The speaker in this video is a joke and is bordering on being a tin foil wearing nut job.

I respect McCain for letting him speak his mind.

Campus Censorship and the End of American Debate

arekin says...

I agree with you as far as the seeming "changing of the guard" goes, but I've seen that happen elsewhere I reverse. When it comes down to it I think we see trends that have their time, and then move on. Right now after the US election season I would expect a lot of stupid pointless videos as people are tired of the politics for a bit (and not just people sifting these videos, the people making them as well). Now as to this video I think the initial argument made was certainly valid. The point in the video is extremely well worded, but you do have to consider the source on these things. As i mentioned, a brief glance at FIRE's website shows defense of a college student you is bullying and cyber bullying a girl about her weight in a malicious fashion. if you look at the conduct codes they are fighting against, every one of them is against this type of bullying. They are promoting this as free speech, but a University has the right to draw the line when this borders on harassment.

Truckchase said:

Absolutely true, which is why I even bother to bitch about it. It wouldn't mean anything to me if it hadn't once been different, but it feels to me like a new wave blew into town awhile ago and has been steadily taking hold here. Whereas the top 15 once were dominated by politics and ideas, it's now at least half "dude, did you see that" and "isn't that cute" style videos. The conversation seems to have generally followed the trend. It's always well-spoken, but more often than not discusses presentation, petty flaws, or (like above) stereotypes the presenter rather than discussing their ideas assuming they have merit and seeking to disprove them from that perspective rather than resorting to marginalization of character.

Maybe I'm grasping at straws to try to stir up some of the more interesting conversation that once was spearheaded by people I often disagreed with but always learned something from that are no longer part of this site, but truth be told I do this on a 9 vote video because I know I don't have the energy to follow it up. My kids an job are always first, my own ideals and stimuli second.

That said, thanks for replying and making a point that directly addressed mine without calling me some sort of name. It's exactly that sort of thing I'd like to see more of around here.

The 51st State

RFlagg says...

A bit more details (like which 5 states lose Reps):
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_22_2/tsc_22_2_poston_farris.shtml

I would guess that like when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted, the number or Reps would go up for one term, then the states that are losing Reps would redistrict the next election cycle.

Issues as I understand it right now is that their new governor isn't a pro statehood governor, and the vote was non-binding so it is a question of if they would ask in the first place. While the House is in control of the Republicans, they might see it as a nice chance to help say to the Hispanic community, see, we can be on your side, even though PR would probably be Democrat. I think if they apply it would be done, though on what sort of timeline remains in question... the flag he showed is more or less the flag we would probably have as it fits the traditional model, though I saw a flag on Reddit that used a sphere/circle shape (the star in the center was slightly larger which might create issues).

EDIT: Also this article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/puerto-rico-votes-on-whether-to-change-relationship-with-us-elects-governor-and-legislators/2012/11/06/d87278ae
-288b-11e2-aaa5-ac786110c486_story.html

Girl In Tears 'Cuz She's Tired of Bronco Bamma & Mitt Romney

Sagemind says...

Me too - The US election is overshadowing all our Canadian Media - This is the prime time where the Canadian Government tries to pull all it's fast deals and closed door decisions hoping no one is paying attention - And it works every time.

It's funny because - this is exactly what my kids are saying. "Why, on every commercial, do we have to see more of these stupid (political campaign) commercials?"

I want to know why these commercials need to be piped into Canada. The technology exists, write over them with local content or public service announcements - we don't need to see them.

Dag's Predictions for 2012 (Future Talk Post)

dag says...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Those are some damn good ones. Let's see who does better. As for December 21st, @Boise_Lib - I predict that nothing will happen å la Y2K, but some people will still freak out and the media will fan the flames. There will be a big anti-climax let-down feeling when January 2013 rolls around. But there will be a large natural disaster in early 2013 that will be ascribed to the Mayans. By crazy people.>> ^longde:

1. The Koreans will start a kerfuffle that will define the 2012 elections like the Iranian Crisis defined the 1980 election.
2. The Chinese economy will contract, adding tension to the growing US/China trade war.
3. Putin will attempt to increase the autocratic controls in Russia, because next year's Russian elections will badly weaken his party.
4. To keep the Euro afloat, the EU countries will move closer to a federal system.
5. Mugabe will die. The western powers will attempt to install a figurehead and let foreigners confiscate the land.
6. There will be a major terrorist attack within the 3 months leading up to the US election. It will be instigated by domestic terrorists.
7. If the election starts to looks like a blowout weeks early, like last time, Obama or his family will be attacked on the campaign trail by domestic terrorists.
8. The Amazon tablet family will erode Apple's market share. Amazon will announce a smartphone.

Dag's Predictions for 2012 (Future Talk Post)

longde says...

1. The Koreans will start a kerfuffle that will define the 2012 elections like the Iranian Crisis defined the 1980 election.
2. The Chinese economy will contract, adding tension to the growing US/China trade war.
3. Putin will attempt to increase the autocratic controls in Russia, because next year's Russian elections will badly weaken his party.
4. To keep the Euro afloat, the EU countries will move closer to a federal system.
5. Mugabe will die. The western powers will attempt to install a figurehead and let foreigners confiscate the land.
6. There will be a major terrorist attack within the 3 months leading up to the US election. It will be instigated by domestic terrorists.
7. If the election starts to looks like a blowout weeks early, like last time, Obama or his family will be attacked on the campaign trail by domestic terrorists.
8. The Amazon tablet family will erode Apple's market share. Amazon will announce a smartphone.



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