I thought Trump's rambling explanation of why he couldn't manage a slight incline was a Deep Fake or something. Then I realized no -- he's actually using his mouth to make the words I'm hearing. Then I realized that his BRAIN was making his mouth make the words I was hearing. Then I had that feeling like I did when the second plane hit on 9/11. Finally, I realized that next year at this time, I'll be in Lyon and giving zero fucks about what happens to this country. Then I smiled happily and enjoyed the rest of the trainwreck.

There's actually a crime called "trainwrecking?"

Finally, something to impeach Trump on!

Rogue One was a different.... flavour... of trainwreck, with different problems. But yeah. It was pretty weak.

I'm not going to get into a fight about which flavour of trainwreck is the worst. R1 and TLJ both had a couple of cool scenes, but were both pretty terrible movies.

TLJ is far from my favourite movie, but neither do I think it's a garbage fire. You obviously do and that's cool.

As I said, all these things are subjective. I'm not interested in a flame war either.

I DO have an issue with some of the criticisms levelled against it because they are not really accurate or relevant, but at the same time I'll happily concede that it has serious pacing issues and a whole subplot that went nowhere.

Still better than the trainwreck that was Rogue One though.

This would have been a hell of a lot better than the trainwreck that was the theatrical release of TLJ.

this is gonna piss some people off:
https://videosift.com/video/channel-4-trainwreck-interview-with-jordan-peterson

I'm so stoned I wasn't glad for that!

Sorry, I meant "I'm so glad I wasn't stoned for that."

Wait -- I was stoned for that. And I am glad I was.

Man, this Trainwreck #5 is some potent shit. You should buy some, then smoke it, then watch the video above. Unless you've already seen it. It's good, but I don't know if it's two-times viewing good. So if you've seen it, you've already seen it. Ummm. OH! But if you haven't seen it, make sure to watch it because it's definitely worth seeing so that later, when you come back and read this post in the bleary-eye'd morning you'll remember how good a time you had watching this video last night. You'll be all, "Daaaamn! That was a good video to watch when I was wrecked as balls on Trainwreck #5!"

This is Leafly, right?

Trump said he will "repeal Obamacare and replace it with something amazing".

These people bought into that. The average sifter (myself included) did not.

However, as someone who wants to see health care improve in the US, I think that a Trump presidency is likely to lead to things getting better (long term). Even if he massively screws up. Actually, sorta especially if he massively screws up.

These people had deductibles in the multiple thousands of dollars range. With a median family income of $16k per year. According to CNN, the premium for the standard package will be $296 per month on average. So for the people in the video, they'd pay about 20-25% of their yearly income on premiums, with another 12-15% out of pocket before they hit their deductible for any needed care. Sure, some insurance is better than no insurance, but these people have been living dangerously with no insurance for a LONG time. Thirty plus percent of your yearly wages vs rolling the dice? A bunch are gonna roll the dice.

So, option A -- a miracle occurs, and Trump actually follows through and replaces Obamacare with something that actually is better. My money isn't on this one, but if he pulls it off more power to him.

Option B -- the people in the video are right, and Trump and the GOP will lose interest in actually repealing the ACA when they realize that they are going to have a hard time actually making something better. I don't think this one is likely either, because I don't think they really give a shit. But you never know. This one would represent a slow stagnation and likely eventual death for the ACA (without any intervention in 2018 or 2020) as more and more people decide to roll the dice and go back to living uninsured.

Option C -- whatever "plan" Trump and the Republican Congress come up for to "replace" the ACA with is a trainwreck. The people in the video that did benefit from the ACA get screwed, at least short term. But the thing is ... "fool me once". Some of them would be pissed, and wouldn't forget. Some would blame Trump and the GOP. Some would remember Trump's answer to Kathy in the video -- that the ACA isn't perfect, but it could be improved. But that her Senator (a Republican) isn't talking about doing that, he's talking about dumping it.

Maybe a bunch of people get fooled again, and eat up whatever excuses Trump, the GOP, and Fox News feed them. But some will remember. And it doesn't take a whole lot to shift the balance of power -- popular vote totals are often just a few percentage points apart. I think it will be extremely hard for the GOP to avoid a major shakeup in midterms and/or 2020.

Hmm. I agree that Trump is an incompetent egotistical blowhard, who drums up support by drastically overstating America's problems. America doesn't *need* drastic change.

...BUT, American government, particularly at the national level in Washington really is a complete trainwreck that *does* need drastic change. Both of our disgusting parties hold plenty of blame for that.

I think that the short-term damage that a Trump presidency would cause would be mitigated pretty well by the separation of powers, one of the few elements of our government that does function pretty well. And I feel like it is possible that a long-term benefit could be that Republican voters would get a hard-to-ignore lesson that the "ideals" that are spouted by their party leadership don't work. George W Bush was the best thing to happen for the Democrat party in a long time; Trump could finish the party off and let something better replace it.

Hillary is definitely more competent. In the short term, the country would definitely be better off with her at the helm than Trump. But, I don't see any long-term benefits to electing her.

Republicans would have a prime and familiar scapegoat. The legislative branch ground to a standstill with Obama in office, I think it will/would be worse with Hillary. That might actually be a good thing; it could limit the damage that they can do -- and the consequences of a shitty legislative branch are worse than a shitty president, I think.

And the Democrat party, which had a golden fucking opportunity to lead by example and actually do some exciting GOOD things with government to win voters over, instead did every dirty and questionable thing they could to guarantee that Hillary "I am the establishment" Clinton got their nomination.


Neither side deserves to win, and in fact both sides deserve to lose. I'll be voting 3rd party; not that it will accomplish anything.

Democrats, you could have had my vote if you had selected literally anybody other than Hillary. Hell, I'd probably even have voted for Hillary over Trump if she had beat Bernie fair and square without resorting to all the shady stuff (she probably would have won even without that shit).

Republicans, almost the same goes for you -- I'd pretty happily have voted for anybody other than Trump running against Hillary. Well, maybe not creepy-as-fuck Ted Cruz or some other batshit crazy option like Sarah Palin; but pretty much any of the others.

Too late now though.

*doublepromote the trainwreck!

I still can't vote for the Republican trainwreck, I'd rather vote for a corpse with a decent human as the VP pick than the delusional bigot and Mike Pence.

Really hoping this isn't going to be a trainwreck.

...Well, that ended on a thoroughly disgusting note.

I'm with @newtboy -- at what point was it decided that this should be the election cycle where both major parties decide to commit ritual suicide in spectacular fashion?

What a complete trainwreck.

I still want to see President Drumph.

The fact that he represents the biggest trainwreck that American politics has ever faced is precisely *why* I hope he gets elected. The system is already a hopelessly broken dog and pony show; maybe the faster we shit on its grave, the faster it becomes blatantly fubared enough to prompt the amount of revolutionary outcry needed to fix it.

Even if *that* doesn't happen, though, Drumph has already started the self-destruct timer on the GOP. That *desperately* needed to happen -- but the impact will be all the better if he beats out the GOP "great white hope" establishment candidates like Rubio. Drudge Report even claims that Mitt Romney will "enter the race" or possibly run as an independent (propped up by GOP $$$) if Rubio and Cruz don't make up ground.

I don't see the GOP surviving much more of this, which is a very positive outcome. So, thank you Drumph, and keep up the good (by which I mean abysmal) work!

A full on trainwreck ... thank you for the promote shag