@enoch, if I sound evangelical, it's because I have an allergic reaction to misinformation and a deep aversion to disinformation...

Here are my comments, interspersed:

> and how come all your examples are the european countries that got fucked
> in the ass by corrupt currency and derivative speculators?"

By corrupt currency, do you mean the Euro? These are a big percentage of the so-called "1st world countries."

> are you working for goldman sachs?
> whats the deal man?

Are these borderline ad hominem, or did I miss something...

> denmark? finland?

Is that it, do you want to limit the evidence to the scandinavian countries? Fine, list for me the countries you want me to address and compare to the US or more free market economies and we will proceed from there.

> but its apparent you dont know shit about socialism.
> socialism-communism=not the same.

Personal attacks aside, communism is a type of socialism in the Marxist sense. But to clarify, please define 'socialism' as you think it should be defined, if something other than public control over the means of production.

> and no free market carny barker never seems to want to talk about.

Are you getting upset about something, or are you not calling me a "free market carny barker"?

> 1.how do you fix the currency issue with its pyramid scheme?

What is the currency issue? The central bank's monopoly in currency? You get rid of legal tender laws and let people decide what currency they want to use and accept.

> 2.how do create a level playing field for the wage slave? or debt slave?

You have to be more specific as to what "level playing field means in practice" so that I can answer this.

> 3.or can you outright buy people?

Do you mean slaves? No, that goes against free-market non-aggression and self-ownership principles.

> 4.since nothing is communal and there is no regulation.is there anything that
> cannot be commodified?

Again, please be more specific about what you mean by "commodified." Do you mean are you free to buy and sell anything as long as you don't violate self and property rights? Not clear what you mean here but I'm sure with some clarification I can address it.

> look man.i get it.lots of good things can happen with a free market. but so can
> a lot of bad. eyes open my man.

Sure, but please tell me, what specifically bad can happen in a free market that cannot happen as bad or worse in a non-free market?

> reminds me of the scientist who came up with game theory.
> from the rand institute i think. the whole cold war was set up on this dudes
> principles of self-interest. did a bunch of testing on dudes and the data
> seemed conclusive...until he did the same experiment with secretaries. turns
> but they were unwilling to dick each other over and were more prone to co-
> operate with each other.

How is this relevant? People like to cooperate. That's the basis for the voluntary free market and why it works.

> well how about them apples.co-operation as a way on interacting. ya dont
> say? very interesting.

I agree. Voluntary interaction equals cooperation. That is the free market. Coercion is the non-free market. Is there disagreement here, because I don't see it.

> i know we both agree that what we have now is a clusterfuck.
> and i agree that the free market should have a place,that its even vital. but
> unrestricted free markets? naw..no thanks.

I still don't know the specifics of how exactly you want to "restrict it" and how specifically you want to restrict it. You must forgive me if I don't think you are as competent to restrict me and my life and my business and I myself am. The same with your life and business, I am not qualified to restrict it.
Who is then? Specifically, "who" do you want to restrict you, and your freedom to engage in free trade?

That's different. You are describing personalized, user-implemented programming. The brain significantly massaged (hours of programming) becomes a malleable (able to be hammered or pressed permanently out of shape without breaking or cracking) jelly reading for spreading on our latest tender and juicy, flame-broiled, Occupy Syria Patty-melt.

Yeah man, sorry @Ryjkyj if I riled yer tender sensibilities mate but her poor attention and timing does not necessitate my going to jail for injury to a child because yer an over-reacting mother and a worse fucking citizen. "Almost killed" inna...ahem, "SKATE PARK!" Kinna different than yer average, let the kids sit in the middle of the sandbox sorta place. Oh, and wear your safety gear, I hear the pavements' pretty hard when it comes-up fast.

Uhh, Mom's a dumb ass and over-reacted, skater 1, mom 0

@A10anis
i think you misunderstood the intent of my comment.
i was not attacking you nor calling you names.

but it appears by your tantrum that i may have hurt your feelings.
so allow me to apologize.

do you need a hug or something?
sensitive people really should avoid the internet.
they can have their tender sensibilities bruised quite easy.

I was expecting a comparative analogy more along the lines of "slowly enjoying a nice bowl of soup", versus "pulverizing a steak via tenderizer to the point of near-liquidation for 30 minutes".

"Oi, and many more tender moments to come, darling!"

That's because the institution is a tool for programming and indoctrination used to shape meat while tender rather than train the mind to process information efficiently and instinctively.

what a profoundly sad thread this has become.

i am not referring to the most excellent posts by @Chairman_woo and his discourse with @shinyblurry.

no.

it is the ignore function use i am talking about.
what an intellectually weak and vapid excuse to not engage with those who you may disagree with or (gasp) not actually like.

are your tender sensibilities so fragile as to not survive scrutiny of one who may disagree? or is it the manner in which they disagree?
is THAT the measure of how you judge anothers ideas?
words?
and you find this to be a valid reason?
this makes sense in your world?

well allow me to point out that without the dissenting voice challenging your preconceptions and only allowing those that parrot the same homogenized,pastuerized vanilla-same cloned vomit will only serve to create a stagnant pond of lifeless banality.

but as long as you are safe in your little bubble world in which you are always right and the circle-jerk perpetuates a lackluster and flaccid worldview.then thats ok right? as long as the echo chamber reflects how RIGHT you are.

@chingalera offends you?
good! because maybe you needed to be offended.

@VoodooV we have to apologize to @bareboards2 for derailing her thread?
no we fucking dont.
human discourse is by its very nature an ugly evolving creature.so get over yourself.love your commentary,hate your high horse..so get the fuck off it.

@bareboards2 is a very nice and sweet woman,and sometimes can be sensitive but she is a big girl and i dont think we will find her weeping in a dark,curtains drawn room.in fact i am willing to bet she loves the fact her video got such a great discussion going.so who are you to judge? or tell us what we should or should not do for that matter?

this brings me all back to my main point.
the sift used to have a vibrant community that discussed,argued and debated.the arguments were legendary and we still see old skool sifters refer to these people with fondness,even if they disagreed with them vehemently.
they were passionate and had something to say.
the list reads like a funeral march to those great voices who have passed and no longer engage in the sift:@MINK,@rougy,@choggie,@thinker247,@joedirt

what do we have now?
bunch of panty waist pussies who will only jump on the band wagon because other people join in the carnage.jumping on @BoBknight,@shinyblurry,@Lantern.
its like a bully convention with free crystal meth.
these folks might as well be black living in mississippi in the 1800's.
look! a chrsitan fundamentalist!
a conservative right winger!
lets lynch em......

and those tired pussies dont even have the courage to choke on their own hypocrisy.
wont even acknowledge that those in the minority have some serious balls to post comments on a secular left site.
this hasnt become a self-masturbatory thread.
its one big circle jerk.

so to those old skool peeps that i know still lurk here on the sift.
please come back.
for the love of god come back.
because these pussies are to busy sucking each others dicks.

im going to get some fresh air because you fuckers have sucked all the vibrance out of the air and left it stale with your own hubris.

and for the love of christ.get the fuck over yourself.

Bar tender steals the show

The analogy I would make with this is, a corner kick that gets bicycle kicked into a post which bounces off the back of the goal tenders head and is nudged/headed in by the offense.

One part good fortune, one part mistake, and one part heads up playing.

I stand corrected. The video was nice (you should post to the sift with the 40 minute offset, and mark as related to this video). But the link you sent mentions (just before the footnotes) that Virtual Currency is not considered "legal tender", and with that, you wouldn't have the same legal problems that the Liberty Dollar had. It also mentions the banking regulations apply to those that convert to/from real currency, not to users.

So, invest all you like in Bitcoin. It will be nice until a (reasonably sized) quantum computer comes around. After that, Bitcoins will be useless (along with all other systems built around asymmetric cryptography).

The case I remember was the Liberty Dollar - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar (also mentioned in the wiki article you posted).

That guy was convicted of http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/485 and others counts - basically conspiracy to undermine the legitimacy of the US Treasury.

Certainly since bitcoin is digital, you couldn't get arrested for the "making your own coins" but it could still pose a problem.

In-game currencies have no cash value, and never claim to be "legal tender". All EULAs for MMOs forbid "mining" and reselling of in-game property outside of the game. Therefore the game companies are off-the-hook for users' actions.

Get a grip Bob, with the abstract variations of modern homelike scenarios in the "parlance of our times," you simply must enjoy the tenderer moments between brothers

There are just as many tender love songs now as there were in the '60s and there were raw songs back then so..?

If I had 2 I'd do it myself if but for the sake of making new friends or lasting relationships-Everyone can use friends, dime-a-baker's-dozen that they are...

sheveddy, I had a simple problem with the tone and timbre of your diatribe regarding the subject and the ass isn't shown until the fat ladies dance it....this thread may burn a while, or fizzle the fuck out, I apologize if I ruffled your tender sensibilities mate, we're from the back-a-bourke here in Texas.