Promoting this video back to the front page; last published Wednesday, April 8th, 2009 12:30am PDT - promote requested by swampgirl.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'impotent, siftbot, backup, fighting, time, climb to sentience' to '50s, impotent, siftbot, backup, fighting, time, climb to sentience' - edited by swampgirl

Adding video to channels (Vintage) - requested by swampgirl.

^^ Man I never got to meet the snakeplissken here-swampgirl and a few others used to muse that choggie was he resurrected, as he bailed just prior to my popping by-He removed all of his comments and vaporized so I have no clue....

Why did he split??Cocaine paranoia, perhaps???

Throbbin and swampgirl, you have the undying gratitude of that which can eternal lie. Thanks for the de-P!

(Also, I'd like to thank The Academy.)

>> ^swampgirl:
big H is Heroin, Quboid. Unfortunately, Billie Holiday was an addict for years. It along with alcohol ruined her health and she died in her 40s I believe.
Now she looks older here maybe this was performed in the early 50s. Since we don't know the date of the broadcast, I added to your tags 30s for when the song was release. Hope that's ok

Yeah it'd be pretty hard to tell the date of broadcast. She often closed with this song in her performances.

"Barney Josephson recognized the impact of the song and insisted that Holiday close all her shows with it. Just as the song was about to begin, waiters would stop serving, the lights in club would be turned off, and a single pin spotlight would illuminate Holiday on stage. During the musical introduction, Holiday would stand with her eyes closed, as if she were evoking a prayer."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Fruit

Turns out it was originally written by a Jewish high school teacher!

I thought you were bigger than that, dag. I didn't start this fire, I just illuminated it. I have no vested interest in this issue other than what I feel are injustices. If you people want to continue this particular fight, you can do so without me.

You juvenile posts as siftbot are not appreciated either. Grow up.

edit: my metaphors obviously leaves a lot to be desired. The embers of this fire were there already and they have been here since choggie was banned. Swampgirl tried to get people to look at it in her post and I tried to show it to people in this poll. That was all I tried to do here. If you feel the need to absolutely follow the direction of the majority in this stupid poll, then I don't want any part in it, which is why I discarded it.

If people feel strongly about this issue, and obviously there are many who do, they can make their own post and forward their own agenda. I don't want to be a part of it anymore if we can't be civil, and it's obvious that we can't.

>> ^swampgirl:
There's an old clarinet up in the top of my closet. You think I can get it to get my kids to clean the house?


If they are teens, parents playing instruments, especially playing them poorly, can be a keen motivating factor.

I think it is alarming that people get so up in arms about me making that poll. You can always just vote no? It's a only gauge to figure out what people think.. it's not like it's binding or anything.

Furthermore, I made the poll because swampgirl never got around to it and with the newest banning, so it seemed like an opportune time to do it.

I obviously didn't experience his presence as badly as some of you did, but why are you all of a sudden being all rass-ma-tass on my ass for this poll?

Ignore is there for a reason, if you want to use it. The only thing I thought was necessary was to strip him of his powers (which we can basically do with hobble now), because he misused his powers.

Personally I have no contact with choggie and I have no real interest in it either. When this matter is resolved, whichever outcome, I will not bring this up again, unless he does break rules again and should be ousted. I'm not arguing FOR him, I'm arguing from the rules of the sift. Bringing attention to problematic issues should not be stigmatized, or have you such short memories?

>> ^blankfist:
>> ^gwiz665:

If you agree his "original" ban was justified, then why are you arguing in favor of repealing it? Furthermore I don't understand what you're intending by contrasting "personal ban" and "account ban".
Dag banned the person, not just the account. It wouldn't make sense otherwise. His behavior (that of the person) was destructive and vindictive to the site. What good would it do any of us to ban his account and allow him back to one day do it again?


Because banning the person was the wrong thing to do. He should have banned the choggie account and let him start over, until he broke the rules on the new one.

I'm not arguing for giving him his old account back, I'm arguing that he should be allowed to make a new account if he wants and have a chance to behave on that. If he can't then another ban can be in order. And if this happens a number of times, then, finally, a ban on his person would be in order.

He got capital punishment for a lot of speeding tickets and reckless driving - I think that's wrong.

>> ^xxovercastxx:
For the old-timers? No. For everyone. VS is not for the people who used to come here, it's for the people who come here now.
choggie is often portrayed as some sort of mad genius... like the Unabomber only less articulate and vastly more destructive.
For those who think we should resurrect choggie in any form: Why?
I concur that his video selection was interesting and unique, but there are lots of people who post interesting and unique videos. Not many people vote for them. choggie was successful because he got here early and didn't have to compete for views the way we all do now.
I disagree that he had anything interesting to say and, if he did, nobody could decipher it. Speaking in tongues does not make him a genius. If you miss choggie's "wisdom", volunteer as an aide on a schoolbus. Those kids call each other "fuckers" and talk about masturbation and circle-jerks left and right. You'll be bathing in choggiesque enlightenment for hours a day, 5 days a week.
If choggie really wants to return, let him email dag and make his case.


You are of course correct that this poll is for everyone, my quip was merely reflecting on that fact that no one who's been here for less than a year know anything of him, other than old comments.

As far as I know, choggie did return for a while on the user Sallyjune, which to my understanding dag knew about and left alone, because he behaved (I may be mistaken, so please correct me if this is wrong). This is essentially a unwritten pardon, but this account was instabanned by blankfist when he found out it was choggie behind the veil. (For the record, I didn't know it was him until after the ban and after the comment I made on the profile.) That was probably the first time the seed of this poll started for me.

I get an uncomfortable feeling when people (especially you, freedom-loving blankfist) go around banning accounts that have not broken any rules. If the user had made any threats or personal attacks or whatever, there would be a reason, but I don't think that the way it works now is a good one. We should only ban for "gross violations" of the sift guidelines, otherwise it should be up to admins to do it.

You can make a poll all you want, I just vote Hell no.

CaptainPlanet420 added nothing to the site other than vitriol and hatred, choggie is still in the top 30 users even though he's been banned for a whole year now. You can't say that doesn't add anything to the site.

I think it is alarming that people get so up in arms about me making that poll. You can always just vote no? It's a gauge to figure out what people think.. it's not like it's binding or anything.

Furthermore, I made the poll because swampgirl never got around to it and with the newest banning, so it seemed like an opportune time to do it.

What are y'all gonna do - ban people who stir up the anger in you and them blame them for ending up with a pissed-off echo chamber called Videosift? There are already sites like that. Why go there? Choggie doesn't get to decide if you're upset today or not. If it were up to me, I'd bring back him under his old account, but that wasn't one of the choices. So, I voted to bring him back under a new account.

He obviously loves all of our little pointed heads and can't stay away. Isn't that amends enough?
I guess for some . . . no. Maybe you ought to read some of Swampgirl's post again.

And like Wilford Brimley says, "Forget your troubles, c'mon get happy!"

Gwiz, read his fucking comments. Even one of his recent comments elicited this response from calvados:

Choggie?

Now if you think I'm wrong, like I said, take it up with an admin. You can call in CSI and search for semen samples for all I care, but it's choggie. Furthermore, I know other people here know it's him but won't admit to it or are willing to let it slide, for whatever reasons.

And if you want choggie to return in whatever form, post a poll. Like I said, he has been banned. Dag told swampgirl ages ago to post a poll if she wanted choggie to return, so it's that simple.

Yes, this is a farce. Choggie was banned almost a year ago to the day, yet he insists on returning, with absolutely no apology in hand for his antisocial behavior that led to his banishment. So post a poll if you want, but don't lecture me.

gee, swampgirl - you're supplying so many greats to this new channel o' mine!
thank ya kindly for all these fantastic sifts :}

^ I started counting females I've seen active at least somewhat recently (within the last few months) and came up with this list (excluding those you listed):

thepinky, swampgirl, oxdottir, nomino, persephone, LadyDeath

MikesHL is news to me. I seem to remember Krupo being mentioned as one of the ladies at one point, but I don't think that's right. I think either pigeon or raven is female as well; Pigeon is active, raven is not.

So we've got 15-17 now.

Moving this video to swampgirl's personal queue. It failed to receive enough votes to get sifted up to the front page within 2 days.