You need some truth.

>> ^Barbar:

Applying the oversimplified version of laws that you learned in early physics classes to reality can often leave you in stunned silence when reality seems to defy them. Things like the dimples on golf balls or sailing ships moving upwind are classic examples of things that you wouldn't expect to even be conceivable unless you saw it in action.


Conceivable or not, none of the things you mentioned break the first law of thermodynamics.

One situation where the system could work would be if the car was driving into a strong headwind. This would give an energy input into the system. It could be perhaps developed to extend the blades if there is a strong enough headwind, and retract them if there isn't, but if there is no breeze, there will be a net loss from using the blades.

If the car is driving through stationary air then the air it's passing through will have no kinetic energy. After passing over the blades the air will be moving, it will have gained kinetic energy. That energy will have been taken from the car. It's as simple as that. No complicated equations needed. You'd need the complicated equations if you wanted to calculate exactly how much energy is lost, but you don't need them to see that energy would be lost.

If wind is factored into it then the air already has kinetic energy, which would be extracted by the fan, but the wind would be and external source of energy (in the same way that a wind turbine isn't in any way a perpetual motion device, it's obvious where the energy is coming from).

I'm not sure why people seem to think this is an elementary problem. I seriously doubt that most people in this discussion studied anywhere near the math and physics required in the calculation in middle school, or even high school, or college for that matter. Having studied physics and math at all those levels, I know that wind turbines were NEVER part of the discussion. After looking up the relevant equations, I can see why -- they're certainly not trivial, and would probably required significant calculus to understand (derive). In university my physics courses were directed towards electricity, so I didn't get a chance to play with wind tunnels -- although I'd still love to!

Applying the oversimplified version of laws that you learned in early physics classes to reality can often leave you in stunned silence when reality seems to defy them. Things like the dimples on golf balls or sailing ships moving upwind are classic examples of things that you wouldn't expect to even be conceivable unless you saw it in action.

Not so much a stunned silence as it is the sound of crushing boredom.

stunned silence...

I did that with a rifle recently. Had an Aunt that was the most incredibly nice person you would of ever meet but could out cuss a sailor. (Is this saying even true anymore?) Spoke here mind on any and all subject and any and all people. Did not matter who or what. Of course in the last few years she became even more so and so got nick named the crazy aunt in the family. She enjoyed it. She died recently and of course we have to go down and handle all the funeral and effects and general clean up of the house. So while cleaning up I see a couple of old hunting rifles and pick one of them up to see what type of conduction its in and it goes off. Takes out the ceiling light and the kick knocks it out of my hand and through the sliding glass door. Stunned silence. No one moved for several seconds. Then my other Aunt and My mother both said at the exact some time. "Well, I guess thats her way of saying goodby." everyone just lost it and I swear it took a long time for the giggles and laughter to stop. Yep, I'm keeping the rifle.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Sarzy:
>> ^Yogi:
>> ^Sarzy:
>> ^Yogi:
Game of Thrones is quite a good show. That being said whoever decided to kill Sean Bean off is a moron and should be fired for writing moronically. Yes everyone can say "but it happened in the book" I'm not watching a book...I'm watching a fucking TV show that can be changed...Change it to do something good and not something stupid you bunch of fucking morons.

A) Spoiler warning please? It's unlikely, but it's possible someone who hasn't seen the show yet or hasn't watched that episode yet could be reading these comments.
B) I couldn't disagree more. That was such a devastating moment; I can't remember the last time I was that shocked and upset by something on a TV show. After that episode ended I remember just sitting in front of my TV in stunned silence for a good five minutes. That was the moment that Game of Thrones, in my mind, went from very good to all-time classic. Seriously, what a ballsy, bad-ass move to kill of the MAIN CHARACTER of your show. I loved it. I finally discovered how audiences back in the '60s must have felt when Janet Leigh was killed off in Psycho. It's an amazing, jaw-dropping twist.
Plus, killing off that character ups the show's tension a million-fold, because truly, NO ONE is safe. People said that about a show like 24 because they killed off a lot of characters, but we always knew that Jack and Chloe were going to be okay. But if they can kill off Sean Bean, then there isn't a single character on that show who couldn't die at any moment.
Anyway, Sean Bean's death has pretty much galvanized all the characters on Game of Thrones, so I don't see how they could have kept him alive without changing the entire direction of the story.

A) I don't care, so Fuck You.
B) Yes it's a devastating moment, and it's the wrong decision. They could've imprisoned him, or done something else you think Joss Whedon would've killed off Buffy in a way where he couldn't bring her back? It's an unnecessary twist that is basically just "We've never seen this before so lets do it" it's knee jerk and stupid. They're not pushing the envelope they're uncaring narcissists.
Also no you don't know every character could die at any moment...all you have to do is read the fucking books and know the future so fuck that theory. It's pathetic and LAZY ass writing. I like that Game of Thrones is unique but I'm smarter than them and I've sold more books than them...so they can go fuck themselves I'm only watching for Tirion!

Oh... you're a troll, aren't you? Good work, chum! You actually got a fairly long response out of me. That gets you extra troll points, doesn't it?

I've been here long enough so you know I'm not a troll. I just couldn't care less if you live or die. I'm not trying to be mean but fuck you, you don't like spoilers watch the fucking show when it happens and refrain from reading things about it.


Yeah, I haven't actually watched all of season 1 yet. Infact, I have a grand total of 10 minutes watched of the entire series, because I've been waiting for my sister and I to have enough time off so we could watch it together.

So, in essence fuck you.

Sarzy was actually trying to do something nice for people who haven't been able to watch the series yet, and you essentially spat in his face. I didn't expect to read about spoilers about the series in a thread that has nothing to do with it but it's opening theme. It's got no characters, It doesn't have the clockwork intro video, it's got a two guys playing various instruments.

>> ^Sarzy:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^Sarzy:
>> ^Yogi:
Game of Thrones is quite a good show. That being said whoever decided to kill Sean Bean off is a moron and should be fired for writing moronically. Yes everyone can say "but it happened in the book" I'm not watching a book...I'm watching a fucking TV show that can be changed...Change it to do something good and not something stupid you bunch of fucking morons.

A) Spoiler warning please? It's unlikely, but it's possible someone who hasn't seen the show yet or hasn't watched that episode yet could be reading these comments.
B) I couldn't disagree more. That was such a devastating moment; I can't remember the last time I was that shocked and upset by something on a TV show. After that episode ended I remember just sitting in front of my TV in stunned silence for a good five minutes. That was the moment that Game of Thrones, in my mind, went from very good to all-time classic. Seriously, what a ballsy, bad-ass move to kill of the MAIN CHARACTER of your show. I loved it. I finally discovered how audiences back in the '60s must have felt when Janet Leigh was killed off in Psycho. It's an amazing, jaw-dropping twist.
Plus, killing off that character ups the show's tension a million-fold, because truly, NO ONE is safe. People said that about a show like 24 because they killed off a lot of characters, but we always knew that Jack and Chloe were going to be okay. But if they can kill off Sean Bean, then there isn't a single character on that show who couldn't die at any moment.
Anyway, Sean Bean's death has pretty much galvanized all the characters on Game of Thrones, so I don't see how they could have kept him alive without changing the entire direction of the story.

A) I don't care, so Fuck You.
B) Yes it's a devastating moment, and it's the wrong decision. They could've imprisoned him, or done something else you think Joss Whedon would've killed off Buffy in a way where he couldn't bring her back? It's an unnecessary twist that is basically just "We've never seen this before so lets do it" it's knee jerk and stupid. They're not pushing the envelope they're uncaring narcissists.
Also no you don't know every character could die at any moment...all you have to do is read the fucking books and know the future so fuck that theory. It's pathetic and LAZY ass writing. I like that Game of Thrones is unique but I'm smarter than them and I've sold more books than them...so they can go fuck themselves I'm only watching for Tirion!

Oh... you're a troll, aren't you? Good work, chum! You actually got a fairly long response out of me. That gets you extra troll points, doesn't it?


I've been here long enough so you know I'm not a troll. I just couldn't care less if you live or die. I'm not trying to be mean but fuck you, you don't like spoilers watch the fucking show when it happens and refrain from reading things about it.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^Sarzy:
>> ^Yogi:
Game of Thrones is quite a good show. That being said whoever decided to kill Sean Bean off is a moron and should be fired for writing moronically. Yes everyone can say "but it happened in the book" I'm not watching a book...I'm watching a fucking TV show that can be changed...Change it to do something good and not something stupid you bunch of fucking morons.

A) Spoiler warning please? It's unlikely, but it's possible someone who hasn't seen the show yet or hasn't watched that episode yet could be reading these comments.
B) I couldn't disagree more. That was such a devastating moment; I can't remember the last time I was that shocked and upset by something on a TV show. After that episode ended I remember just sitting in front of my TV in stunned silence for a good five minutes. That was the moment that Game of Thrones, in my mind, went from very good to all-time classic. Seriously, what a ballsy, bad-ass move to kill of the MAIN CHARACTER of your show. I loved it. I finally discovered how audiences back in the '60s must have felt when Janet Leigh was killed off in Psycho. It's an amazing, jaw-dropping twist.
Plus, killing off that character ups the show's tension a million-fold, because truly, NO ONE is safe. People said that about a show like 24 because they killed off a lot of characters, but we always knew that Jack and Chloe were going to be okay. But if they can kill off Sean Bean, then there isn't a single character on that show who couldn't die at any moment.
Anyway, Sean Bean's death has pretty much galvanized all the characters on Game of Thrones, so I don't see how they could have kept him alive without changing the entire direction of the story.

A) I don't care, so Fuck You.
B) Yes it's a devastating moment, and it's the wrong decision. They could've imprisoned him, or done something else you think Joss Whedon would've killed off Buffy in a way where he couldn't bring her back? It's an unnecessary twist that is basically just "We've never seen this before so lets do it" it's knee jerk and stupid. They're not pushing the envelope they're uncaring narcissists.
Also no you don't know every character could die at any moment...all you have to do is read the fucking books and know the future so fuck that theory. It's pathetic and LAZY ass writing. I like that Game of Thrones is unique but I'm smarter than them and I've sold more books than them...so they can go fuck themselves I'm only watching for Tirion!


Oh... you're a troll, aren't you? Good work, chum! You actually got a fairly long response out of me. That gets you extra troll points, doesn't it?

>> ^Sarzy:

>> ^Yogi:
Game of Thrones is quite a good show. That being said whoever decided to kill Sean Bean off is a moron and should be fired for writing moronically. Yes everyone can say "but it happened in the book" I'm not watching a book...I'm watching a fucking TV show that can be changed...Change it to do something good and not something stupid you bunch of fucking morons.

A) Spoiler warning please? It's unlikely, but it's possible someone who hasn't seen the show yet or hasn't watched that episode yet could be reading these comments.
B) I couldn't disagree more. That was such a devastating moment; I can't remember the last time I was that shocked and upset by something on a TV show. After that episode ended I remember just sitting in front of my TV in stunned silence for a good five minutes. That was the moment that Game of Thrones, in my mind, went from very good to all-time classic. Seriously, what a ballsy, bad-ass move to kill of the MAIN CHARACTER of your show. I loved it. I finally discovered how audiences back in the '60s must have felt when Janet Leigh was killed off in Psycho. It's an amazing, jaw-dropping twist.
Plus, killing off that character ups the show's tension a million-fold, because truly, NO ONE is safe. People said that about a show like 24 because they killed off a lot of characters, but we always knew that Jack and Chloe were going to be okay. But if they can kill off Sean Bean, then there isn't a single character on that show who couldn't die at any moment.
Anyway, Sean Bean's death has pretty much galvanized all the characters on Game of Thrones, so I don't see how they could have kept him alive without changing the entire direction of the story.


A) I don't care, so Fuck You.

B) Yes it's a devastating moment, and it's the wrong decision. They could've imprisoned him, or done something else you think Joss Whedon would've killed off Buffy in a way where he couldn't bring her back? It's an unnecessary twist that is basically just "We've never seen this before so lets do it" it's knee jerk and stupid. They're not pushing the envelope they're uncaring narcissists.

Also no you don't know every character could die at any moment...all you have to do is read the fucking books and know the future so fuck that theory. It's pathetic and LAZY ass writing. I like that Game of Thrones is unique but I'm smarter than them and I've sold more books than them...so they can go fuck themselves I'm only watching for Tirion!

>> ^Yogi:

Game of Thrones is quite a good show. That being said whoever decided to kill Sean Bean off is a moron and should be fired for writing moronically. Yes everyone can say "but it happened in the book" I'm not watching a book...I'm watching a fucking TV show that can be changed...Change it to do something good and not something stupid you bunch of fucking morons.


A) Spoiler warning please? It's unlikely, but it's possible someone who hasn't seen the show yet or hasn't watched that episode yet could be reading these comments.

B) I couldn't disagree more. That was such a devastating moment; I can't remember the last time I was that shocked and upset by something on a TV show. After that episode ended I remember just sitting in front of my TV in stunned silence for a good five minutes. That was the moment that Game of Thrones, in my mind, went from very good to all-time classic. Seriously, what a ballsy, bad-ass move to kill of the MAIN CHARACTER of your show. I loved it. I finally discovered how audiences back in the '60s must have felt when Janet Leigh was killed off in Psycho. It's an amazing, jaw-dropping twist.

Plus, killing off that character ups the show's tension a million-fold, because truly, NO ONE is safe. People said that about a show like 24 because they killed off a lot of characters, but we always knew that Jack and Chloe were going to be okay. But if they can kill off Sean Bean, then there isn't a single character on that show who couldn't die at any moment.

Anyway, Sean Bean's death has pretty much galvanized all the characters on Game of Thrones, so I don't see how they could have kept him alive without changing the entire direction of the story.

seriously. i don't know exactly how i would react, but i'm pretty sure it would involve a lot of stunned silence and grinning like a fool. best birthday ever.

(busts through doors) Ah! Okay, sorry! (runs over, checks inner pockets on jacket for notes, sets notes on podium)

(clears throat)

My apologies for being late...as we are gathered here today to celebrate gwiz665's diamond achievement, I am reminded of that special feeling....

(looks up to stunned silence, notices banner reading "Congratulations JiggaJonson!")

Um....heh....could you excuse me for a moment? (runs away from podium, runs back) Congratulations, Jigga! (runs frantically into adjoining room)

Congratulations, and thanks for all of the great art work you've provided for us. To honor your artistic endeavors I created a piece just for you. I've been working on it for months, and at last put the finishing touches on it this very morning. I think you will all agree that it is my highest *quality work to date.

*awe and stunned silence*

There are a few Leeroy Jenkins vids on the Sift, but I had no idea what they were about until checking the Wikipedia entry.

Here's the quick summary: "Leeroy Jenkins , sometimes mis-spelled Leroy Jenkins and often elongated with numerous additional letters, is an Internet phenomenon named for a character created by player Ben Schulz in Blizzard Entertainment's popular MMORPG World of Warcraft. The character has become popular thanks to a machinima video of the game that circulated around the Internet. The phenomenon has since spread well beyond the boundaries of the gaming community into other online and mainstream media.

The video was recreated using the recorded audio of the actual event. The video takes place in the Upper Blackrock Spire dungeon in World of Warcraft, inside the Rookery room, one of the most notoriously difficult sections for newcomers to the game.[1] It opens with the guild members discussing an impending raid via audio teleconferencing, complete with regimented battle plan and statistical breakdown of their survival. The fastidiousness of their preparations is ruined by the sudden and unexpected actions of Leeroy Jenkins who was away from his computer. After missing the entire conversation, Leeroy runs into the area without pause, yelling "Alright time's up. Let's do this! LEEEEEEROOOYYYJENNKINNSS!!" There is about a second of stunned silence from his companions, followed by carnage when they proceed to hastily attempt the attack (as Leeroy's actions had now activated nearby monsters). The attempted raid (and video) is filled with desperate calls from the team to mount their original plan, and with insults at Leeroy, even with Leeroy calling "It's not my fault". It ends disastrously, with all the guild members lying dead on the floor, screaming at Leeroy for his brash decision. At the end of the video you hear At Least I have Chicken -- a seeming insult by poor leeroy to make his actions seem validated."

Jeopardy included Jenkins in a clue, but none of the players correctly identified the game when that clue ran.

*nsfw, the *geek *history *videogames *wtf video. Awesome.