Pretty much you'd imagine, but what strikes me is what should strike that truck's tires after the 1 or 2 warnings-Pop-up tire-poppers about render-dead-stopped distance from the tunnel's next repair shut-down.
Pop the sleepy trucker's go-circles (or hoist his shit up hydraulically w/piton) before the rainy, non-deterrent.
The rain-stop sign only works if he hits his brakes, right?

So much of what you are saying here is not terribly accurate.

Fleeing in this case is easier to sympathize with on account of the US's recent history of locking up and torturing whistle blowers for years on end.

You do live in a country where you pick and choose which laws to follow. Constantly. Like most people. Did you have a drink before you were of age? Have you rolled through a stop sign? Did you tear a label off a mattress? Have you smoked weed? Average people break the rules when they think that the rule is dumb and deserves to be broken, or when they think following the rule would be a greater wrong than breaking it. I expect the latter case applies to Snowden.

Turning himself in is hardly win/win. Maybe he's not interested in being locked up and abused for years on end for what he considers a service he did to the US people. It's not everyone's sole goal in life to die of old age.

His case isn't that much stronger if he turns himself in. He's not some rhetorical genius or a mastermind lawyer waiting to uncover his byzantine court strategy. He released some information regarding serious infringements by the US govt, and that's it. His motives are easy to see, and anyone could pick up and argue his case for him. It's just not that deep.

You're right that the outcry didn't follow. People are getting rather well conditioned to being spied on in pretty much everything we do. To me, the much more important revelation was that the US govt had a collection of secret laws that only it knows about, and that it acts based on it. Privacy is just the tip of the iceberg.

Recycled mix (using old asphalt with other "stuff" that can be put into mix to get rid of it..like rubber tires) doesn't lay as well as new asphalt mix or hold up as well.

Since old mix uses old asphalt, it typically has oil, gasoline, diesel, etc soaked into it. All of these substances degrade/eat asphalt over time. It's why they don't use asphalt around fuel pumps, because all of the constant and pure spillage would eat holes in it. Turns the asphalt gummy...goes right into it and sometimes thru to the sub-grade rock and then soil. Also motorcycle kick stands don't do well on asphalt, contaminated or not..especially on hot days. Asphalt will become pliable on really hot days and a focused direct pressure like a motorcycle kickstand can punch a hole into it that be deep enough to let the bike tip over. Use a wood block or piece of plywood to fix this and spread the pressure.

I used to work in the asphalt business, mostly rolling it. My dad worked in it more substantially than myself working on airport jobs, highways, etc. Many of those jobs won't allow old asphalt to be used in their mix. And they are big enough to force plants to switch over from remixed (old and new) to all new mixes. You'll notice that jobs done with the new mixes hold up much longer, look better, lay better, hold their heat better during the laying process, and come out much smoother looking and less "dirty looking" upon finish. I am guessing at this, but I believe it to be because the asphalt has more tar and less other chemicals and the tar is able to absorb any dirt you might pick up when you move to existing surfaces onto the new asphalt. Where the remix (containing old) has gasoline, etc breaking down the tar and less fresh tar to begin with, so that little bit of dirt you pick up transfers to the remix asphalt like a magnet.

Highways probably won't have as much surface area covered in long term spillage as stop and go traffic where it will be focused at the lights, stop signs, along edge of the streets where people park. But the highway will have big sections of highly contaminated asphalt where semis flip, car wrecks occur, etc. So these same sections if they are remixing it on the go, will end up with a bunch of really bad asphalt on or just after it if they don't throw it out.

And to clarify a few things upon incase people are unfamiliar.

Asphalt plants are usually multi purpose. They are usually a stone quarry with an asphalt plant situated somewhere on site. They filter and crush the stone into piles for sub grade work of various needs. And they draw from these piles to feed the asphalt plant. They do new mix and recycled mix (old mix) which I'll explain below. They also often times have sealer (the black coating you put on parking lots and driveways), I'll explain it below. Roofing tar, regular/asphalt tar, and crack filler..and I'll cover these below as well.

The plants have some human guesswork involved, they have to estimate tonnage and how much tar should be added. They screw up pretty often. It wasn't unheard of for us to get super tarry asphalt mixes where it was like goo coming out of the truck. Or no-tar mixes where it was just slightly black painted rocks. Or mixes where we called them "burnt" where they pumped in their cleaning mixture into the mix and it was breaking down the mixture to help get it out of the hoppers of the plant. These were usually people being trained who hit the wrong button without realizing it.

The plants have to clean the mixtures out of the hopper (where they dump it into the truck) to cycle over to a new mixture they keep in on-site silo looking things that stir and heat it. Which the silos also have to be cleaned at the end of the day or heated all night lest they hardened and stop up the whole thing. They usually stop heating all night as it gets closer to winter season because they don't do enough business to make it worthwhile.

Ok mixtures:

I didn't mention base mix anywhere...but it's why they typically have to switch over to different mixes, because places need base mix instead of finish layer....the layer you see when finished looks less rocky than base and is pliable.

Base mix = larger aggregate rocks, much more rocky. Doesn't have much fine rock in it. It's meant to be something you can quickly lay that will hold up the weight of heavy vehicles right away. Usually this is only used on fresh roadways where they are laying directly over rock sub-grades. It makes it easier to lay the finish layer smoothly, makes for a cleaner looking job by locking the rock and it's dust in...and is cheaper than using all finish. You can almost go from laying base mix to laying finish layer right on top of it with no delay. You can't do this with two layers of finish, because it's too pliable and it has to cool down for the heavy vehicles to drive over it without squishing it out and messing up the layer you just laid.

New mix asphalt = Tar mixture with aggregate like fine almost sand like rocks along with larger rocks to give it stability larger rocks are maybe the size of your pinkie nail at the largest. Tar is mixed throughout, the whole mix is constantly stirred and heated inside the plant, drawn into the hopper and dumped in a truck that pulls underneath. I am told that this mix used to be even better in the past, but now air regulations require them to "inject" their dust from rock crushing into the mixes so again this can cause the mix to be less tarry due to the dust being absorbed and they can completely ruin it by injecting too much.

SCAM ALERT: Look below remix as it pertains to both.

Remix (old and new) asphalt = Very similar to new mix, except they grind up old asphalt that they have sitting on-site in the stone quarry congealing into a big pile depending on it's contamination. This will depend on percentage they are legally required/allowed to put into these mixes. Less of the remix in the mixture, the better it is....less contaminates. Sometimes they even put rubber tires and other rubber products into the mixture. Although they don't do that much here. SOMETIMES it is desirable to have rubber in the mixture like running tracks, where they are springy. This is a special mixture, and it's a massive PITA to lay because it's really gummy and sticks to everything along the process.

SCAM ALERT: They typically do this to older people. But someone will stop and tell you they are working on a big site close, and they are going to have some extra material at the end. Usually you would dump this at the plant or somewhere you have set aside. They want to help you get a new looking driveway. They will lay the asphalt less than an inch thick. It will look really good when they finish. A year later it will be broken apart in most cases. Because they didn't tar, and they laid it too thin. You can lay asphalt thinner if you tar really well....but you want to lay it at least a inch and a half per layer or so. Sometimes you have to lay it thin near man holes and drains to not block water. So don't go crazy on somebody because of this if you see them doing it in certain places. Generally they try to average an inch and a half across a job per layer on finish. Thicker on base mixes since it has larger rocks in it and it has to be at least as thick as the biggest rock in it.

Sealer (the black coating you put on parking lots and driveways) - This is almost like a black paint in some circumstances. Some of it has chemicals, I think creosote, which react to the sunlight and cure it to seal it to the asphalt. Depending on what you buy, you may have to mix water into it to make it suitable for the task. Some come pre-mixed and you just have to stir. Usually you put two coatings on new asphalt, one coat if it's been sealed before. Sealer WILL NOT make your driveway last longer by any noticeable degree. It will make it look dark, and repel chemical spills to some degree. However chemicals will still penetrate as you can't clean up everything that drops. ALSO, sealer makes your driveway much slicker. This is why they don't use sealer on roadways, if they are using some kind of treatment it's something else because sealer fills in all of the fine holes in asphalt and makes it more slippery because of this..especially in the rain. Sealer has to cure for a couple days, you can't drive on it and it can't get wet. So listen to them when they say they don't want to seal it due to weather. Don't let them seal it in the spring or fall. Do it in the summer so it's nice and hot and not much moisture. Sealer looks more brown going down than black. But it cures to black.....it almost looks like chocolate cake mix. Dunno if they taste the same.

If you are sealing your own driveway, do not get it on you. It burns like a mother, I've gotten it on myself and if you don't clean it off right away it will burn you like a really bad sunburn after being exposed to sunlight for awhile. Some people are not bothered by creosote (if this is the correct chemical in sealer)...but better to not find out..because it hurts if you are.

SCAM ALERT: People will seal your driveways with motor oil or even too watered down sealer. They look very similar going down. There is no easy way to tell the difference besides knowing what they smell like. The first rain will turn your motor oil covered driveway into a mess. We have gypsies in the area pretend to be local businesses and pull things like this, it's bad. They disappear at the end of summer and the businesses are left with people pissed off.

Roofing tar - Runnier and less thick than regular tar. It's meant to be pumped onto roofs and run down to fill in holes and places water can get in. If you use this on your driveway, you're pretty much going to end up with a huge mess for years. Because it will continually heat up in the sun and liquify again being tracked into your house over and over and over.

Regular/asphalt tar - Use this, like in the video, along curb sides and between old and new layers to help seal out water and keep the layers sticking together as you put down the new layer. You wouldn't need to tar between a base and finish layer if they were laid a day or two apart because the base layer would heat up again from the finish layer and stick. However if the base layer is older..like a couple weeks or a month. You would probably tar between them. Anything else..you tar between...concrete, old asphalt. The only exception would be sub-grade rock, however sometimes you even tar this, especially if it's in a grade critical location...where you can't have the asphalt humping up even a little. But on a typical driveway, the rock layer has enough jags and spaces that a layer of asphalt will cling to it just fine.

Crack filler - You would use this before sealing your driveway, not after. You can also use it alone to fill in gaps in your driveway and try to seal out water. So it doesn't get into the crack, freeze and blow your driveway up. The best crack filler is rubberized, so it will expand and contract. Plus it also isn't as prone to liquify again in the heat and stick to your car tires and shoes. It has to be heated up substantially to liquify, but I've seen non-rubberized begin to liquify in direct sunlight on a 95+F degree day. I try not to step on the cracks on the really hot days, as I'd rather not find out if it's going to stick to my shoes.

Well known phenomena. Drivers are much more careful when there is no light or stop sign, accidents go down and actually, you increase traffic through put. Wild huh? And Americans instinctively will raise their hands against traffic circles instinctively.

Just 2 cents on funeral processions in PA - every car in the procession has to have a little flag on it (magetic, provided by the funeral home); every car has to put its 4-ways (hazards, blinkers) on the whole time; it's pretty easy to see them; as a driver NOT in the procession, you cannot (legally) pass them on a 1 lane road, but 2+ lanes are ok, and opposite side of road people just go about their business. Also, the procession itself does NOT stop - if you are a member of the procession, you go through stop signs, red lights, etc (slowly of course) so that all the cars in the procession are always together.

It's a slight annoyance when the procession is very long, but I've never witnessed nor heard of any accidents being caused because of a procession in PA.

Whatever state "Suck Creek" is in, they should change the law to forbid stopping on the opposite side- respect or no respect, it's just dangerous. Even if the truck was doing the exact speed limit, and was paying attention- if it was a blind corner no one could stop in time.

The ones from Glonex are quite nice, I have one. GPS breadcrumbing, One ($169) and two camera ($249) (for reaction shots of you just missing that granny or proving you weren't, in fact, texting just before your front camera caught the guy you just hit running the stop sign)
Removable MicroSD, mounts by 3M tape to your windshield, but a click removes it and just unplug the power cord and it's safe from theft.

www.glonex.net

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_sign

"In the United States, stop signs have a size of 75 cm across opposite flats of the red octagon, with a 20mm white border. The white uppercase letters forming the stop legend are 25 cm tall. Larger signs of 90 cm (36 in) with 30 cm (12 in) legend and 25 mm (⅞ in) border are used on multilane expressways. Regulatory provisions exist for extra-large 120 cm (48 in) signs with 40 cm (16 in) legend and 30 mm (1¼ in) border for use where sign visibility or reaction distance are limited, and the smallest permissible stop sign size for general usage is 60 cm (24 in) with a 20 cm (8 in) legend and 15 mm (⅝ in) border."

In other words, anything else is not a valid or legal stop sign. This is the airport's fault, plain and simple.

>> ^CrushBug:

"The video shows the couple driving into the plane." I don't think so. I am pretty sure during driver training at no time was I told that I had to watch out for and yield to airplanes. Right where both of those vehicles were, I doubt they could see each other. That is just poor design, no matter what is painted on the road. You could be from out of town and have no idea what is possible there.


Exactly right. It would never occur to me - not even if I knew there was an airport nearby - that a stop sign on the road would mean I was crossing a flight path. If there was a situation where I'd be driving across the flight path of landing aircraft I would fully expect more information. You get a warning sign a railway crossings, even though these are reasonably common and people know what they are. This road isn't crossing the runway, it's just close to one end. To a driver it looks just like a piece of road, nothing special about it at all. I'm fairly tall and drive a small car, so I wouldn't be able to see the plane without leaning right down to see the sky out of the far window of the car. It's not like driving out into traffic that you could be reasonably expected to know was there. Why are the people at the airport being so stupid about this?

If you are consistently slowed by traffic (of any kind, including this kind), there are simple solutions that you can employ by TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF and not being an entitled douche, such as:
- Leaving earlier (ie. managing your time effectively). Seriously, you can't wait 60 seconds?
- Growing the hell up. If time is not the issue, then you might need some anger management.
- Taking a different route.
- Riding a bike. Last time I checked they don't make you stop on a bicycle.

Disagreement with the law does not automatically justify ignoring it. The world does not owe you anything. This is absolutely justice. Someone who drives like that should be encouraged to take the bus - it would teach them to take responsibility for managing their time and attitude while getting their menacing bullshit off the roads.

>> ^Darkhand:

>> ^PoweredBySoy:
I don't get it - why the sidewalk? If you want to break the law, just drive past the bus. This reminds me of those dipshits that, to go through a red light, take a right turn, drive over the line, then take another right turn. Like that's any less illegal than just running the right light to begin with.

You can't drive by the bus.
All of the buses now come equipped with Camera's that are armed as soon as the stop sign comes out. So when you drive by the bus it photographs your plates. At the end of each day the police download the information from the camera's and send out tickets.
In the state of NJ I Believe it's an 8 point ticket to do this (which is 1 or 2 points away from basically having your license suspended.)
This person unless she can pay the $500 moving violation is now facing having (upwards of) at least $8,000/yr in insurance. I know this because a family member has 8 or 9 points and at that point nobody will insure you so you have to buy insurance through the state. So hopefully she won't lose her home or apartment or job if she can't afford insurance anymore.
I down-voted this video because there is no justice in it. It's ridiculous that you can't pass this bus when clearly the child is not living on that side of the street (no homes). The fact that you would have to sit at that bus and wait for 5 minutes every morning is ludicrous.

>> ^Darkhand:


I down-voted this video because there is no justice in it. It's ridiculous that you can't pass this bus when clearly the child is not living on that side of the street (no homes). The fact that you would have to sit at that bus and wait for 5 minutes every morning is ludicrous.

One day when I was about 12, I was on a city bus on the way back from school. The bus stopped in what would seem a high visibility area, and a man got off. He walked in front of the bus to cross the street and was killed by a Honda.

Of course, city buses don't have stop signs or flashing lights, and maybe people are more likely to be cautious around a school bus. ...and maybe, most of the time, the bus driver knows whether a child exiting the bus is going to cross the street or not, Still, I feel just fine about waiting for the lights on a school bus to stop flashing before I pass it.

The stop signs may be a federal law but only recently have the penalties been increased to LUDICROUS standards.

http://www.jacksonnjonline.com/2009/10/11/passing-a-school-bus-is-against-the-law-in-new-jersey/6996/

>> ^deathcow:

>> ^Darkhand:
>> ^CrushBug:
I think the point that you are missing (for the ones saying that you shouldn't need to stop, or that the stop signs should be replaced with slow signs) is that this kind of law has been this way for about 35+ years. This is NOT a new law, at least in my area.

I'm not sure where you are from but I live in Jersey. This law, or at least the stop signs on buses, were enacted within the past decade at most.
I didn't say kids are dumber these days. I said things like this are making our kids dumber because we're making everything so safe for them nobody learns any life lessons.
Maybe things are different in yoru Area but in my Area there are no Elementary School Buses. The younget you get on a bus is when you're headed into middle school so you are 12 years old. Someone who is 12 years old should know to look both ways before crossing and not cross in front of the bus etc etc etc.

STOP signs on school buses are a Federal Law.... as in the entire USA.. NTSB #131 for the last 21 yrs

>> ^Darkhand:

>> ^CrushBug:
I think the point that you are missing (for the ones saying that you shouldn't need to stop, or that the stop signs should be replaced with slow signs) is that this kind of law has been this way for about 35+ years. This is NOT a new law, at least in my area.

I'm not sure where you are from but I live in Jersey. This law, or at least the stop signs on buses, were enacted within the past decade at most.
I didn't say kids are dumber these days. I said things like this are making our kids dumber because we're making everything so safe for them nobody learns any life lessons.
Maybe things are different in yoru Area but in my Area there are no Elementary School Buses. The younget you get on a bus is when you're headed into middle school so you are 12 years old. Someone who is 12 years old should know to look both ways before crossing and not cross in front of the bus etc etc etc.


STOP signs on school buses are a Federal Law.... as in the entire USA.. NTSB #131 for the last 21 yrs

>> ^CrushBug:

I think the point that you are missing (for the ones saying that you shouldn't need to stop, or that the stop signs should be replaced with slow signs) is that this kind of law has been this way for about 35+ years. This is NOT a new law, at least in my area.


I'm not sure where you are from but I live in Jersey. This law, or at least the stop signs on buses, were enacted within the past decade at most.

I didn't say kids are dumber these days. I said things like this are making our kids dumber because we're making everything so safe for them nobody learns any life lessons.

Maybe things are different in yoru Area but in my Area there are no Elementary School Buses. The younget you get on a bus is when you're headed into middle school so you are 12 years old. Someone who is 12 years old should know to look both ways before crossing and not cross in front of the bus etc etc etc.

I think the point that you are missing (for the ones saying that you shouldn't need to stop, or that the stop signs should be replaced with slow signs) is that this kind of law has been this way for about 35+ years. This is NOT a new law, at least in my area. This was the law when my father was driving. I have no memory of there NOT being a requirement to stop. I even remember TV ads as a child pointing this out to people. Maybe it became a Stop law when I was a little kid.

The law here is that on an undivided road, if a school bus stops and turns on its lights, all traffic in all directions must stop. If the road is divided (highway or other barrier) then the traffic on the same side as the bus must stop and the traffic on the other side must slow down. It has always been this way in my memory in the province of Alberta.

Kids are dumber these days? That statement is irrelevant because this law has always been this way and was part of driver training and was part of the driving test here. People that are violating it are in no way unaware of this law. This driver is being a selfish ass. Passing the bus AND driving on the sidewalk is just two indicators that they really shouldn't be driving at all.

What court would this be being tried at? Kids today are growing up dumber and dumber and it's not because of the lack of education it's the lack of common sense. There are less and less ways to hurt and maim yourself as a child so kids aren't learning any practical lessons.

I grew up with Metal Toys! GASP Metal Toys?! How did I not spear myself or get some sort of horrible wound or injury. Because I wasn't a fucking moron? As a child I _NEVER_ had the sudden urge to run screaming into the road for no apparent reason.

Two Main Points

#1. there's no reason you can't slow down and pass the bus. The stop sign should be replaced with a slow sign and it would accomplish the same thing.

#2. I've been behind a lot of these bus drivers before and when they pull over for these special needs kids they flip that stop sign out and I've been sitting there stopped for 5 minutes when the kid isn't even outside yet. There are some bus drivers the respect the people on the road and let them pass and then once the kid is actually outside and coming to the bus they flip the stop sign on. But there are other drivers that as soon as they pull over it's just "STOP".

In my town they have DOUBLED the amount of no turn on red signs. Why? because of other peoples mistakes! All we are doing is balancing our society to help the lowest common denominator and it grinds my gears.

>> ^schlub:

Uh, it's called "children are erratic dumbasses"... just because they don't live on that side of the street doesn't mean they won't run out into the street. Also, just because their house is on one side, it doesn't mean they're going home immediately after getting off the bus. They could run to the local kwik-e-mart on the other side of the street. Kids are in a world of their own and aren't necessarily always paying attention to what's going on around them. Good luck using that "there are no houses on that side of the street" defense in court.
>> ^Darkhand:
I'm not saying lets make rules street by street. But a simple common sense rule of "If there is no housing or children standing on one side of the road you can pass on that side."
People forget there was an era of time when you didn't HAVE to yield to the school bus if it was on the opposite side of the road. Our super protective society is really just annoying more than anything.