>> ^grinter:

So let's mix some anti-diuretic hormone stimulators in with our Red Bull and vodka (or espresso and Drambuie, depending on how dandy we are feeling).


Oh man, WHAT!?...you'd stay hammered for hours!!
Oh yeah, and yer pee only looks like Tropicana the next day if you STOP drinking coffee and alcohol!!
My pees hardly ever school bus, usually a subtle Naples yellow when not as clear as reversed-osmosissificated and carbon filtered...

>> ^messenger:

Several people have already risen to your challenge to define fascism. Googling it reveals many dictionary and encyclopaedic definitions (unless you've got a thing against truthiness). None bear any resemblance to Obama. Your move.
I agree with what you're saying and I'm trying to show that you're not telling us anything the average adult doesn't already know about American presidents. It's like telling everyone that alcohol gets you drunk. If you did, someone would probably say, "Yes, and what's your point?" Get it now?

Who here has been able to define their terms? Apart from one moron who copy-pasted the dictionary, shit which would not even fly in grade school, only me. So, my work must frame the discussion.

My narrow definition, which is a distillation of the work of experts, is both more elegant and more comprehensive than any you'll find in a dictionary. However, even those blunt instruments, except where they make amateur mistakes like placing dictatorship as an essential tenet of fascist ideology, closely describe modern US political conditions. Where do you see a deviation?

These observations are important. The POTUS is an immensely influential and historically significant individual. His supporters have to be confronted with the character of the man they're empowering.

I'm not here to tell you alcohol gets you drunk. I'm here to tell you to stop drinking while operating heavy machinery.

I seriously thought you may have some connection to Hewlett Packard (stock symbol: HPQ)

In reply to this comment by hpqp:
1. One of my earliest memories is being on a boat between Japan and Korea during a sea storm. Rolling around in the room as the boat was rocked was terrible fun to the 3-year-old I was.

2. I been to more countries then I care to mention. People are really all the same all over. I hate big cities.

3. Played in a mine field for a whole afternoon. The next day a farmer died there. For the year we lived on Croatia's border we could hear/feel the bombs shake the house.

4. Am often told I do not act my gender. Sometimes I play it up on purpose.

5. Am not afraid of nor particularly moved by death. This causes me problems with my family when relatives/siblings die.

6. Am a pretty good shot with both ARs and handguns, even won a few medals in my teens. Stopped shooting because the atmosphere at the club was sexist/macho. At least I'm ready for the Zombie Apocalypse, and can take photos without a tripod at 1" exposure.

7. Like to use quotes from an opponent in a debate to attack their argument. Like to debate in general. i can be argumentative just for the sake of being contrary.

8. I dreamed of being multi-lingual as a child. I'm better at writing than talking. I was the first (and only) in my family to go to University.

9. Grew up in a fundie christian family. Read the Bible innumerable amount of times, learned verses and whole chapters by heart. Am now atheist and antitheist, like most of my family.

10. Been diagnosed schizoide, borderline, bipolar, etc. Take antidepressants to avoid incapacitating breakdowns.

11. 90% of my waking life has been spent procrastinating. VS is my latest fix, and the only online community I've ever become a part of.

12. I love dreaming. Most of my best memories are from my dreams. I daydream often, but retain full situational awareness. Lucid dreaming is awesome.

13. All of the major injuries I've sustained were self-inflicted, albeit by accident. Never broke a bone, but my body is always sore (and not always in a good way).

14. Originally left-handed, but forced to be right-handed during childhood because left-handedness is of the devil. Leftie is now my primary masturbation hand <img src="http://cdn.videosift.com/cdm/emoticon/xd3.gif" class="smiley" />

15. I watch porn at least once a week. Consider myself a feminist.

16. Grew up around boys. I don't really count my first time as my first time. Hardly any one I know knows about my first time.

17. Have never been in a successful relationship. Longest and most enjoyable was as someone's lover/fuckbuddy.

18. I have no patience for stupid people.

19. I've never even been tempted to try drugs, cigarettes. Stopped drinking before turning 18. I have little enough control of my brain and emotions as is.

20. I love cinema, I think cinema is humanity reflected, our dreams, desires, hopes, fears and experiences. When watching a movie, I am frequently the only person laughing.

21. I don't really like being the center of attention.

22. My profile name is not an acronym. When I started using the webs I wanted a username that was anonymous and meaningless to all but myself. It is supposed to be an obscurely emoticon-ish version of Robby the Robot from Forbidden Planet.

23. Forbidden Planet freaked me out when I first saw it as a kid. It is still one of my favourite sci-fi movies. I would like to write an SF novel, but fear I lack the discipline and talent.

24. Like to think I'm special/unique, but know that I'm not. Some of this list is copy-pasta'd from others' posts, but also applies for me. (can you find which parts? : )

25. I still have absolutely no clue what I want to do with my life.

1. One of my earliest memories is being on a boat between Japan and Korea during a sea storm. Rolling around in the room as the boat was rocked was terrible fun to the 3-year-old I was.

2. I been to more countries then I care to mention. People are really all the same all over. I hate big cities.

3. Played in a mine field for a whole afternoon. The next day a farmer died there. For the year we lived on Croatia's border we could hear/feel the bombs shake the house.

4. Am often told I do not act my gender. Sometimes I play it up on purpose.

5. Am not afraid of nor particularly moved by death. This causes me problems with my family when relatives/siblings die.

6. Am a pretty good shot with both ARs and handguns, even won a few medals in my teens. Stopped shooting because the atmosphere at the club was sexist/macho. At least I'm ready for the Zombie Apocalypse, and can take photos without a tripod at 1" exposure.

7. Like to use quotes from an opponent in a debate to attack their argument. Like to debate in general. i can be argumentative just for the sake of being contrary.

8. I dreamed of being multi-lingual as a child. I'm better at writing than talking. I was the first (and only) in my family to go to University.

9. Grew up in a fundie christian family. Read the Bible innumerable amount of times, learned verses and whole chapters by heart. Am now atheist and antitheist, like most of my family.

10. Been diagnosed schizoide, borderline, bipolar, etc. Take antidepressants to avoid incapacitating breakdowns.

11. 90% of my waking life has been spent procrastinating. VS is my latest fix, and the only online community I've ever become a part of.

12. I love dreaming. Most of my best memories are from my dreams. I daydream often, but retain full situational awareness. Lucid dreaming is awesome.

13. All of the major injuries I've sustained were self-inflicted, albeit by accident. Never broke a bone, but my body is always sore (and not always in a good way).

14. Originally left-handed, but forced to be right-handed during childhood because left-handedness is of the devil. Leftie is now my primary masturbation hand

15. I watch porn at least once a week. Consider myself a feminist.

16. Grew up around boys. I don't really count my first time as my first time. Hardly any one I know knows about my first time.

17. Have never been in a successful relationship. Longest and most enjoyable was as someone's lover/fuckbuddy.

18. I have no patience for stupid people.

19. I've never even been tempted to try drugs, cigarettes. Stopped drinking before turning 18. I have little enough control of my brain and emotions as is.

20. I love cinema, I think cinema is humanity reflected, our dreams, desires, hopes, fears and experiences. When watching a movie, I am frequently the only person laughing.

21. I don't really like being the center of attention.

22. My profile name is not an acronym. When I started using the webs I wanted a username that was anonymous and meaningless to all but myself. It is supposed to be an obscurely emoticon-ish version of Robby the Robot from Forbidden Planet.

23. Forbidden Planet freaked me out when I first saw it as a kid. It is still one of my favourite sci-fi movies. I would like to write an SF novel, but fear I lack the discipline and talent.

24. Like to think I'm special/unique, but know that I'm not. Some of this list is copy-pasta'd from others' posts, but also applies for me. (can you find which parts? )

25. I still have absolutely no clue what I want to do with my life.

Just stopped drinking coffee three days ago!
Rough afternoon-to-evening headaches the last two days.
BUT, this morning I was able to sleep in and I feel great.

Will definitely drink coffee and tea here and there, just stopped because I was at the point where I really needed it... was inconvenient, and made me uncomfortable.

It's good people have finally stopped drinking and doing cocaine long enough to realize cannabis is A-ok. Now if only people would stop forgetting to vote...and tobacco and pharm and alcohol lobbyists would gtfo out policy making...


LOL.. the report is blunt... you CHEEKY MONKEY

Some people also stop drinking because they have to.

I suspect that those people who say they don't need alcohol to have fun are probably just trying to avoid talking about why they really don't drink. Like alcoholic parents or something like that. Perfectly understandable. But still makes for a funny joke.

Oh, and if you don't drink and you don't have a good reason, then you are missing out. Sure it's not something you need to do all the time, but that's like saying "I don't need to go on rollercoasters to have a good time." Boring wanker.

A sufficient difference between Dahmer and gay people is that Dahmer forcibly murdered people, gay people do not force others to be gay with them.

Regarding alcoholism, forcing someone to not drink simply does not work. They themselves have to want to stop drinking or such endeavours are doomed. It's a false comparison anyway, alcoholism prevents a person from having a functional life whereas homosexuality does not.

To your point at the end I ask you: what are morals? In a society where religion is free then morals surely can't be defined by the holy text of any one religion. Specifically with respect to the present case homosexuality is accepted in a lot of eastern religions and sometimes even encouraged.>> ^bobknight33:

Only in the last 4 decades the country has been swayed by gay groups and media that this sort of behavior is acceptable and it is not.
There is not one evolution or biblical reason for being gay. GOD does not hate gay people no more than he hates those who steal, divorce or murder. He allows each of us to have a free will to choose him or not.
And what you want to say that some were born gay? What about those who say they were born to be x,y or z.
What if the person comes from a family line of alcoholics? Should that force society to condone the person becoming an alcoholic? Do we let their actions a pass in society and just say he was born with the “gean”
The serial killer, Jeffrey Dahmer from an early age had a fascination to kill things. So do we say he was “born” that way? Even so that does not make it right. Should we stand up to all serial killers and say you were born that way and that’s ok?
What about an individual that is born one sex and has the “gean” to be the opposite?
Just because being gay does not have a negative societal impact as those exampled above ( granted those are extreme examples to illustrate the point) how does that translate as being an acceptable behavior?

Children only learn what is right and wrong from the society that surrounds them and to indicate to them that this behavior is ok is morally failing these children.

Also, perverting the noble task of HIV/AIDS research and redefining it into using american money to help prostitutes in china stop drinking is absolutely disgusting. Downvote.

Source taken from the website with the video, which sourced itself here where it also says The findings could have ramifications for at-risk populations throughout the world.

Also:
The research findings, he said, will “contribute to our knowledge base regarding the role of social influence and institutional policy in alcohol and sexual risk reduction among various vulnerable and at-risk populations” around the world.

@NetRunner


•"Right and left neurological arrangements are genetic"

-This doesn't really seem that controversial anymore.
-http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/11/02/born_to_party/
-In our 2nd to last conversation, you seemed to be using genetics as an argument for income redistibution. (We can't expect people asking for our money to stop drinking, drug-use, laziness, irrationalism, and sports-watching and start reading and being economically savvy because of their genetics.)


•"Right and left can't live together under one polity"

-We can be sure the Right and Left will always hate each other and seek to dominate each other, but that doesn't mean a single polity isn't viable.


•"Our government gives unchecked power to the party with 50% + 1 support (domination)"

-The party which is out of power tends to behave pretty upset, regularly comparing the party in power to fascists, so "domination" seems within the acceptal range of descriptors.
-They would tend to prefer unchecked political power, rather than the kinds of compromises that characterize things like the handling of Guantanamo, Afghanistan, and the recent healthcare bill, but the political parties always have to compromise in the end.
-(And they scream bloody murder about it.)

>> ^Jinx:

If you have to make a big deal out of it like this, then you're in love with the drink and being proud of quitting is just perverse. I've drunk half a dozen alcoholic beverages and it wasn't a big deal when I stopped drinking any of them. That's the norm for the majority of people. What the guy should be dealing with is his addictive personality, not blaming his problem on a single chemical.


Except with alcohol you form an actual physical dependence on a substance. Excessive gaming is not considered an addiction by the American Psychological Association, mainly because of a lack of evidence that excessive gamers go through the same compulsions, cravings, and withdrawals that, for instance, a compulsive gambler goes through. The evidence is up for review in 2012, so we'll see if anything changes. I highly doubt it will though. "Addiction" in the technical sense of the term doesn't seem to apply here.

If you have to make a big deal out of it like this, then you're in love with the drink and being proud of quitting is just perverse. I've drunk half a dozen alcoholic beverages and it wasn't a big deal when I stopped drinking any of them. That's the norm for the majority of people. What the guy should be dealing with is his addictive personality, not blaming his problem on a single chemical.

Finally, i just hope (as spawnflagger points out) that they take into consideration all factors, diet soda should be taxed as well in my opinion as artificial sweeteners are potentially worse than sugar.

It makes sense because people don't need to pay the tax, they just need to stop drinking soda, and that's not killing anyone, in fact it's helping them - healthwise anyway.

when I stopped drinking soda I lost a good 10 in a couple of months.

...and stop drinking sodas!!