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Fletch (Member Profile)

jonny says...

Yeah, comparing it to my post wasn't exactly fair. I knew when I posted I'd get a few down votes. As for the wallaby, though, it wasn't that I thought it was mislabeled, or even boring for that matter. Several phrases popped into my head to describe it, but I was raised not to use such language in mixed company. I was just trying to be polite.

I did read as much as I could find in old talk posts about the philosophy of it. Seems like it caused quite a stir when the feature was first introduced. I guess I do understand the arguments like arrendek's. I think the differences of opinion arise from what different people see as the purpose of VS. To me, having 20000 videos that are all liked by someone or another is less valuable than 2000 that are all true gems. But as you say, to each his own.

I didn't need to read anything to know that down voting a post because of who submitted it is bogus. That just seems like common sense. It's unfortunate that a few folks here seem to flagrantly disregard that, though.

btw - your avatar, now that is cute. mine, not so much.

In reply to this comment by Fletch:
In reply to this comment by jonny:
By voting down while a video is in the queue, one has a chance to affect the post. Afterwards, it seems, it's not much more than a "your taste sucks."


Exactly my point. Why would you want to "affect the post" by preventing such an uncontroversial video from getting published? Was it because he applied the "cute" label and you didn't find it so? I'd never tell someone how they are supposed to vote, so don't get me wrong here. If you read back on some of the ST's on the subject, you know there are as many ideas about exactly when downvotes should be used as there are members here. But, generally, I think people choose to no-vote non-offensive videos at least until they make it out of the queue. If a video is popular enough, it will make it out regardless of any no-votes, but so many just squeak by, or just miss by a vote or two. I'm not saying every video should be published, either. Read arrendek's bio. Pretty much the way I see it. Kind of a "to each his own" view.

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Ah, so a video can be discarded even after publication. That changes my feelings about down voting after publication being more rude. But I still think it makes more sense not to wait - if the point of a down vote is to express the opinion that one really doesn't want a video on the sift. I do try to be very judicious with down votes.

I've seen several videos make it out of the queue, only to be discarded for content, dupe, self-link, etc. Again, you can use a downvote for any reason you like. That doesn't mean we have to agree on it's use. You can apply "to each his own" here too. The only thing that is against VS rules ("entirely unacceptable") is fragging, using it as a personal vendetta against a poster.

One last point - SG had no such qualms about down voting my video while it was in the queue, and it didn't seem to bother you then, Fletch. In fact, nearly all of the down votes I received on my submissions were while they were in the queue.


I don't pay attention to the comments of, or even see, every video, so I'm sure there are lot's of examples counter to my view of things. The only reason I even noticed your downvote was because maatc referred to it in his comment. As far as the Jesus Christ Action Figure video... I think you'll find (if you haven't already noticed), that any videos of a religious nature, even one so inane as that, tend to polarize many people here. I thought it was funny. I upvoted it. But the same topics that can offend and create tension and conflict in the real world can offend and create tension and conflict here. What I thought was funny may have offended SG. Also, we're all human. Sometimes we just break our own rules

(BTW, I bolded my portions so it was easier to separate from yours, not because I was yelling at ya.)

jonny (Member Profile)

Fletch says...

In reply to this comment by jonny:
By voting down while a video is in the queue, one has a chance to affect the post. Afterwards, it seems, it's not much more than a "your taste sucks."


Exactly my point. Why would you want to "affect the post" by preventing such an uncontroversial video from getting published? Was it because he applied the "cute" label and you didn't find it so? I'd never tell someone how they are supposed to vote, so don't get me wrong here. If you read back on some of the ST's on the subject, you know there are as many ideas about exactly when downvotes should be used as there are members here. But, generally, I think people choose to no-vote non-offensive videos at least until they make it out of the queue. If a video is popular enough, it will make it out regardless of any no-votes, but so many just squeak by, or just miss by a vote or two. I'm not saying every video should be published, either. Read arrendek's bio. Pretty much the way I see it. Kind of a "to each his own" view.

[edit]
Ah, so a video can be discarded even after publication. That changes my feelings about down voting after publication being more rude. But I still think it makes more sense not to wait - if the point of a down vote is to express the opinion that one really doesn't want a video on the sift. I do try to be very judicious with down votes.

I've seen several videos make it out of the queue, only to be discarded for content, dupe, self-link, etc. Again, you can use a downvote for any reason you like. That doesn't mean we have to agree on it's use. You can apply "to each his own" here too. The only thing that is against VS rules ("entirely unacceptable") is fragging, using it as a personal vendetta against a poster.

One last point - SG had no such qualms about down voting my video while it was in the queue, and it didn't seem to bother you then, Fletch. In fact, nearly all of the down votes I received on my submissions were while they were in the queue.


I don't pay attention to the comments of, or even see, every video, so I'm sure there are lot's of examples counter to my view of things. The only reason I even noticed your downvote was because maatc referred to it in his comment. As far as the Jesus Christ Action Figure video... I think you'll find (if you haven't already noticed), that any videos of a religious nature, even one so inane as that, tend to polarize many people here. I thought it was funny. I upvoted it. But the same topics that can offend and create tension and conflict in the real world can offend and create tension and conflict here. What I thought was funny may have offended SG. Also, we're all human. Sometimes we just break our own rules

(BTW, I bolded my portions so it was easier to separate from yours, not because I was yelling at ya.)

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choggie says...

You too gruel...how bout get a room with antimatter, and you can compare sacks, and trade whacks....bet yer combined ages, amount to a pro-basketball player's shoe size....


And this, fair sifters, is the level to which, perhaps, the sift will digress, should we let skippy here, and his pal, numnuts, bring their drive-by youtube sound-bites here....You guys, are impressing no-one, but yourselves, with yer grade-school banter....Suggestion?? Piss off, gracefully....

chessiecat (Member Profile)

chessiecat says...

Nora the piano playing cat is really funny.
I am sending the URL to all my piano students.
I hope they will be inspired to practice more!!
Bye. Skippy the piano teacher



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