It's true, man. They're security guards, not cops.

I agree with the EIA tag.

Those security guards should definitely be fired. I don't understand why they couldn't at least call the cops.

I do hear what you are saying.
I guess it's a matter of you hearing what I mean and not what I say

To try to be more articulate in what I am trying to say...

I use the term rent-a-cop as a term of disrespect for those who assume the role of authority when in fact they have none, do not have the appropriate training or overstep their ground for their personal ego inflation.

I use the term Security guard as a term of respect for those who are actually there for the public good or who work at a professional level. And don't worry, I do have respect for a person who operates within the boundaries of professionalism. And I do give authority benefit of doubt. I respect the profession as I would any other uniformed profession...

I do not, though, give blind respect just because some douche is given a uniform and it goes to their head - because in my mind, that's not professional. I also do not give respect to anyone in uniform that is being paid solely for the sake of corporate interest.

They need to stand up, have some balls, and rethink who the bad guys are (hint - it's not the reporters). And, yes, I do understand they are doing their best, under extreme circumstances, to bring home a paycheck and feed their families. But they are still rent-a-cops in this example of "Security Guard." In fact, they aren't in a security role at the moment, they are mercenaries at best. (That's my uninformed opinion).

Cheers!
(No disrespect to the professional Security Guard - or to you, my friend!)

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

So, security works with local law enforcement? Hrm, that is a broad accusation, considering most do not. Trust me, I know a few security---one retired wanted to bust all the crack heads and make the parks safe for kids again, and the other hated cops because of how cops treated him with such disrespect. But then there were the many others who had no dealings with police entirely. They worked for the companies they worked for---much like bouncers---and that was that.

"/facepalm at the security that let that guy get on stage."


aww come one now, that guy did a helluva dive tackle to make sure the shirtless wonder didn't hit slash too hard, and the way he went down it looked like he would've definitely hurt something upon landing.



+1 respect for slash
+.5 respect for the security guard.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
I hate the term rent-a-cop. It is like saying ..... rent-a-fags for bi-sexual men.

?


Yeah, both make no sense---is what I tried saying...

>> ^Sagemind:
A Rent-a-cop pretends to have authority where they clearly don't.
A Security Guard works in conjunction with local law enforcement.
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
I hate the term rent-a-cop. It is like saying rent-a-teacher for subs, rent-a-doctor for RNPs, or rent-a-fags for bi-sexual men. There is no such thing as a rent-a-cop. There is a security guard... Some have complexes but that goes with being human.




So, security works with local law enforcement? Hrm, that is a broad accusation, considering most do not. Trust me, I know a few security---one retired wanted to bust all the crack heads and make the parks safe for kids again, and the other hated cops because of how cops treated him with such disrespect. But then there were the many others who had no dealings with police entirely. They worked for the companies they worked for---much like bouncers---and that was that.

A Rent-a-cop pretends to have authority where they clearly don't.
A Security Guard works in conjunction with local law enforcement.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

I hate the term rent-a-cop. It is like saying rent-a-teacher for subs, rent-a-doctor for RNPs, or rent-a-fags for bi-sexual men. There is no such thing as a rent-a-cop. There is a security guard... Some have complexes but that goes with being human.

My point is not to dispute that they are contracted people with licenses by the state or some such. I only wonder if you bunch all people into the prejudice "same thing to me" mind frame you apply to rent-a-cops. I mean, if you apply blanket concepts to them, can you really blame others for just as irrational applications to other peoples or occupations? Are all black people the same? All Jews? All farmers of the south? All..., wait, did I say you applied a prejudice assumption? Of course I did... You look at their uniform and your opinion---that they are all rent-a-fake-cops or rent-a-cops---is already set. Isn't that prejudice?
Okay, so back to my point. I never try and apply "same thing to me" principles to anyone or anything...

>> ^NordlichReiter:
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
Well, somehow I do not believe this monkey-of-a-non-special-police-officer has taken law enforcement training, and that he is given city wide jurisdiction which falls on this beach. Soooo, he is not a Company Police or Special Police as such. In other words, he has no arrest nor detention powers even in Virginia. In more other words, he does NOTHING of what a police officer does. In even more other words, he is not a rent-a-cop. If you want to specifically denote rent-a-cops to special and company police, so be it. I cannot refute that logic. Same as rent-a-teachers and all companies that use contractors.
In fact, by the same logic you used, the electricians and computer IT guys in Iraq could be considered rent-a-soldiers by your definition...
Problem is, regular security does not do what police do--in practice or by law. Same with IT and other contractors for the military. They provide different services. Even if they carry guns for protection---like class G security guards in Florida.
Yes, I know about class G and all the stuff you point to as "evidence" to your point of view. However, it is moot. You are too intellectual for this meaningless point behind the debate. I am not trying to be the rightest here---just trying to get rid of a degrading term applied to a working class of individuals who are not all bad.
>> ^NordlichReiter:
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
I hate the term rent-a-cop. It is like saying rent-a-teacher for subs, rent-a-doctor for RNPs, or rent-a-fags for bi-sexual men. There is no such thing as a rent-a-cop. There is a security guard... Some have complexes but that goes with being human.

Contracting Security Officer. Exactly what it is. Rent-A-Cop. There are several varieties of them; which vary from state to state. Generally there are two types of Security Officers; the unarmed kind and the armed kind. They come in many colors. There's the BDU or Fatigue color, the ugly sports coat gray slacks color, and the polo shirt tactical khaki pants color. Although in the wild many different version of these colors can be observed.
In the District of Columbia there are Special Police which are known as Smithsonian Museum Special Police in NY & DC. For a basis on how security officers work see the second link to the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice.
As an independent contractor you can go through the hoops yourself, but most people choose to join companies, which sort out all of the paperwork for each employee.
Make no mistake about it. These are privately owned corporate entities. I was going to say that they are bound to the law just as much as a Peace Officer but, of course, the trends of late could prove differently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_officer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_police#United_States
http://www.dcjs.virginia.gov/pss/howto/registrations/armedSecurit
yOfficer.cfm


I never said he had the legal right or obligation to do jack shit. All security officers have to abide by state law and federal laws.
If you had read my comment more carefully you would see just how much you are reading into my opinion which was created fully in your head.
In order to be a lawfully licensed security guard(officer) you have to have abide by the states laws, and take their required classes. IT, and Soldiers that do not hold licenses issued by a state, which requires it, are in violation of that state's law.
Half the time security guards don't know the first thing about Civil Rights, or the difference between Private Property and Public Property or where the lines between private and public blur (like the side walks in front of a building).
Now to the point, I maintain that is exactly what they are. Contracted personnel to do a job. Call it rent-a-fake-cop, or call it a contracted security officer. Means the same to me. Words are just words, until they are made into something which they are not.

>> ^jcf79:
I agree, Rent-a-cop implies authority, even in a small amount. The tools, as they should be referred to as such, have absolutely no authority. Instead all they have is fear and intimidation on their side. So I agree, they are not rent-a-cops, they are hired thugs sent there to keep the workers in line. Glad you were here to clear that up...
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
I hate the term rent-a-cop. It is like saying rent-a-teacher for subs, rent-a-doctor for RNPs, or rent-a-fags for bi-sexual men. There is no such thing as a rent-a-cop. There is a security guard... Some have complexes but that goes with being human.



Oh, by all means, they are hired thugs... and I was not being very uptight about it, just wanted to state opinion...

These guys are the worst though---because people see them and those not like you and me immediately bunch them together with real authority figures...

I agree, Rent-a-cop implies authority, even in a small amount. The tools, as they should be referred to as such, have absolutely no authority. Instead all they have is fear and intimidation on their side. So I agree, they are not rent-a-cops, they are hired thugs sent there to keep the workers in line. Glad you were here to clear that up...
>> ^Lawdeedaw:

I hate the term rent-a-cop. It is like saying rent-a-teacher for subs, rent-a-doctor for RNPs, or rent-a-fags for bi-sexual men. There is no such thing as a rent-a-cop. There is a security guard... Some have complexes but that goes with being human.

I wonder good sirs, and ladies if in BP's haste did they fail to follow state law? Inquiring minds are just dieing to know. I'm now reminded of Black-water in New Orleans.

http://www.allbusiness.com/crime-law-enforcement-corrections/criminal-offenses/8902475-1.html

I'm guessing the laws in LA are lax, unlike the laws in VA, which require all Security Guards to display proper identification (license) at all times. See the section on Virginia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_guard#United_States

Another tip, Armed Security Officers may make Lawful Arrests. Although the general rule was never make an arrest unless it was a felonious offense and you have concrete proof (Multiple Eye Witnesses, Surveillance Footage, or Someone's life is in danger). All other offenses were to be differed to Peace Officers. During my time, I never once saw a crime, except trespass.

Compliance with the provisions of this article shall not itself authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or exercise any powers of a conservator of the peace. A registered armed security officer of a private security services business while at a location which the business is contracted to protect shall have the power to effect an arrest for an offense occurring (i) in his presence on such premises or (ii) in the presence of a merchant, agent, or employee of the merchant the private security business has contracted to protect, if the merchant, agent, or employee had probable cause to believe that the person arrested had shoplifted or committed willful concealment of goods as contemplated by § 18.2-106. For the purposes of § 19.2-74, a registered armed security officer of a private security services business shall be considered an arresting officer.

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+9.1-146

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

Well, somehow I do not believe this monkey-of-a-non-special-police-officer has taken law enforcement training, and that he is given city wide jurisdiction which falls on this beach. Soooo, he is not a Company Police or Special Police as such. In other words, he has no arrest nor detention powers even in Virginia. In more other words, he does NOTHING of what a police officer does. In even more other words, he is not a rent-a-cop. If you want to specifically denote rent-a-cops to special and company police, so be it. I cannot refute that logic. Same as rent-a-teachers and all companies that use contractors.
In fact, by the same logic you used, the electricians and computer IT guys in Iraq could be considered rent-a-soldiers by your definition...
Problem is, regular security does not do what police do--in practice or by law. Same with IT and other contractors for the military. They provide different services. Even if they carry guns for protection---like class G security guards in Florida.
Yes, I know about class G and all the stuff you point to as "evidence" to your point of view. However, it is moot. You are too intellectual for this meaningless point behind the debate. I am not trying to be the rightest here---just trying to get rid of a degrading term applied to a working class of individuals who are not all bad.

>> ^NordlichReiter:
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
I hate the term rent-a-cop. It is like saying rent-a-teacher for subs, rent-a-doctor for RNPs, or rent-a-fags for bi-sexual men. There is no such thing as a rent-a-cop. There is a security guard... Some have complexes but that goes with being human.

Contracting Security Officer. Exactly what it is. Rent-A-Cop. There are several varieties of them; which vary from state to state. Generally there are two types of Security Officers; the unarmed kind and the armed kind. They come in many colors. There's the BDU or Fatigue color, the ugly sports coat gray slacks color, and the polo shirt tactical khaki pants color. Although in the wild many different version of these colors can be observed.
In the District of Columbia there are Special Police which are known as Smithsonian Museum Special Police in NY & DC. For a basis on how security officers work see the second link to the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice.
As an independent contractor you can go through the hoops yourself, but most people choose to join companies, which sort out all of the paperwork for each employee.
Make no mistake about it. These are privately owned corporate entities. I was going to say that they are bound to the law just as much as a Peace Officer but, of course, the trends of late could prove differently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_officer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_police#United_States
http://www.dcjs.virginia.gov/pss/howto/registrations/armedSecurit
yOfficer.cfm



I never said he had the legal right or obligation to do jack shit. All security officers have to abide by state law and federal laws.

If you had read my comment more carefully you would see just how much you are reading into my opinion which was created fully in your head.

In order to be a lawfully licensed security guard(officer) you have to have abide by the states laws, and take their required classes. IT, and Soldiers that do not hold licenses issued by a state, which requires it, are in violation of that state's law.

Half the time security guards don't know the first thing about Civil Rights, or the difference between Private Property and Public Property or where the lines between private and public blur (like the side walks in front of a building).

Now to the point, I maintain that is exactly what they are. Contracted personnel to do a job. Call it rent-a-fake-cop, or call it a contracted security officer. Means the same to me. Words are just words, until they are made into something which they are not.

Well, somehow I do not believe this monkey-of-a-non-special-police-officer has taken law enforcement training, and that he is given city wide jurisdiction which falls on this beach. Soooo, he is not a Company Police or Special Police as such. In other words, he has no arrest nor detention powers even in Virginia. In more other words, he does NOTHING of what a police officer does. In even more other words, he is not a rent-a-cop. If you want to specifically denote rent-a-cops to special and company police, so be it. I cannot refute that logic. Same as rent-a-teachers and all companies that use contractors.

In fact, by the same logic you used, the electricians and computer IT guys in Iraq could be considered rent-a-soldiers by your definition...

Problem is, regular security does not do what police do--in practice or by law. Same with IT and other contractors for the military. They provide different services. Even if they carry guns for protection---like class G security guards in Florida.

Yes, I know about class G and all the stuff you point to as "evidence" to your point of view. However, it is moot. You are too intellectual for this meaningless point behind the debate. I am not trying to be the rightest here---just trying to get rid of a degrading term applied to a working class of individuals who are not all bad.


>> ^NordlichReiter:
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
I hate the term rent-a-cop. It is like saying rent-a-teacher for subs, rent-a-doctor for RNPs, or rent-a-fags for bi-sexual men. There is no such thing as a rent-a-cop. There is a security guard... Some have complexes but that goes with being human.

Contracting Security Officer. Exactly what it is. Rent-A-Cop. There are several varieties of them; which vary from state to state. Generally there are two types of Security Officers; the unarmed kind and the armed kind. They come in many colors. There's the BDU or Fatigue color, the ugly sports coat gray slacks color, and the polo shirt tactical khaki pants color. Although in the wild many different version of these colors can be observed.
In the District of Columbia there are Special Police which are known as Smithsonian Museum Special Police in NY & DC. For a basis on how security officers work see the second link to the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice.
As an independent contractor you can go through the hoops yourself, but most people choose to join companies, which sort out all of the paperwork for each employee.
Make no mistake about it. These are privately owned corporate entities. I was going to say that they are bound to the law just as much as a Peace Officer but, of course, the trends of late could prove differently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_officer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_police#United_States
http://www.dcjs.virginia.gov/pss/howto/registrations/armedSecurityOfficer.cfm

I understand the need to keep people from the work areas and allowing the work to continue unhindered. I even understand preventing the guy from approaching the rest area to some degree. But there are ways to deal with it that don't involve what is being shown in this video. They could simply barricade the area, post signs to keep the unauthorized out, and have their guards escort anyone off who enters the area without authorization.

But that is implying that they have the right to do that, which a lot of these areas are public locations. If they had the power it would be announced on the news and radio, and posted to keep away from these areas until announced otherwise. And that would be the best way to deal with the problem of camera men and the public at large, and made it a crime at the same time giving more deterrent. Except that I don't think they want to keep all the public from within speaking range of the workers, they just want to keep the people with cameras away. If it were truly dangerous to the public at large, it would be done by now. And we all know the public at large can't keep from driving through construction sites without barricades, avoiding uncovered man hole covers without barricades, and dealing with much of anything out of the normal where they can stick their nose to find out what's going on (don't those rubberneckers just piss you off? Especially when they drift all over the place.)

And this isn't just actual work sites they are preventing people from going to and filming. There are plenty of videos of the COAST GUARD stopping people from filming and exploring the coast line from sea because BP said so with no other reason than that. No booms were in place, there was absolutely nothing but oil coated coastline and dead/dying birds, sea life, etc.

And Im rather curious that there isn't a lot of personal footage being shot from people's own land of the mess and sent to these news networks to be aired, but I suspect that is being discouraged in another unknown manner as of yet.

As a sidenote: BP has been putting out low ball estimated reports for the leak, that webcam is underwater with no real frame of reference for the public. Without scale, that thing could be a pin prick in a garden hose or the size of that sink hole in Chile. They've since repositioned the camera a little to give better footage, but scale is still pretty hard to judge if you don't know how big the items being shown are. It's kinda like the realtors who like to shoot everything with that fish eye lens that warps everything out of shape to make it appear bigger...wasting your time looking at that shit since it could have been taken in a barbie house for all you know.


Coast Guard with BP guys stop reporters trying to check out oil covered location..they say it's not their rules by BP's rules "under threat of arrest".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/19/bp-coast-guard-officers-b_n_581779.html

Hadn't seen this one myself yet...it's even more apparent that they are blocking media exclusively...even from flying over:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/us/10access.html


Common sense and critical thinking tell me that they don't want the public at large getting pissed off and pressuring Congress to actually punish the company. The longer they can keep the illusion alive that the problem isn't horrifically bad, the more time they have to let the oil sink under the surface of the water and clean up those beaches...so it won't look as bad as it truly is. Oh and the illusion helps keep their stock prices up, if the clean up outlook is grim...their stock prices will tank. Can't have that happening. If they can keep the stock up, and Congress off their back...they'll only be out up to 75 mil in damages when the lawsuits start coming in...pretty nifty deal with the government contracts already having paid them 800+ million this year.

And upon watching it again, the supervisor gave the media permission to approach the rest areas (after the guards denied it, didn't ask the supervisor at any point as well) to see if the workers would speak to them. The security guards told them not to and continued to do so until they spoke for themselves. At which point the reporter thanked them for cleaning up the beaches and left. And as for the "deadness" of the shots, they didn't shoot much beyond the guards blocking access and their attempt to ask workers to speak to them. We don't know how many people the guards have chased off with or without the authority to do so under the law.

>> ^BrknPhoenix:

Please do re-read your hippie comments and reflect for a bit. These things are why you are throwing fire on an Internet website and not making actual decisions.
Let's think about it a minute. If BP/the gov't gives carte blanche for all reporters, what's going to happen? The next day they're going to have thousands of reporters standing in the way of the actual work being done. All of the workers will be talking to reporters instead of working. They will create a disruption.
I'm not defending BP for the oil spill at all, but having a little fucking common sense, people. The media does have access. There's a web cam on the spill itself for Christs' sake. That does NOT mean any random person can just walk right up to it and get in the way. It's no difference than me going to the White House, and after being denied access, claiming that because of that, they have something to hide.
Also, take a look at that shot. It's dead. There's not a ton of reporters there. Everyone knows the rules. These douchebags know the rules too. They're deliberately trying to stir shit up by asking questions to "Rent-a-cops" about what the CEO of the company says, and making unreasonable demands about going onto a work-site.
Do keep this in mind one day when you finally go over the edge, and after mowing down half a school's worth of kids in your Prius after a hella cocaine bender, the media can't follow you right into your place of work because you too enjoy protections like the workers of BP! Isn't America wonderful.
The steps go like this. Step 1) Think critically. Step 2) Lynch. Not the other way around.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

I hate the term rent-a-cop. It is like saying rent-a-teacher for subs, rent-a-doctor for RNPs, or rent-a-fags for bi-sexual men. There is no such thing as a rent-a-cop. There is a security guard... Some have complexes but that goes with being human.


Contracting Security Officer. Exactly what it is. Rent-A-Cop. There are several varieties of them; which vary from state to state. Generally there are two types of Security Officers; the unarmed kind and the armed kind. They come in many colors. There's the BDU or Fatigue color, the ugly sports coat gray slacks color, and the polo shirt tactical khaki pants color. Although in the wild many different version of these colors can be observed.

In the District of Columbia there are Special Police which are known as Smithsonian Museum Special Police in NY & DC. For a basis on how security officers work see the second link to the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice.

As an independent contractor you can go through the hoops yourself, but most people choose to join companies, which sort out all of the paperwork for each employee.

Make no mistake about it. These are privately owned corporate entities. I was going to say that they are bound to the law just as much as a Peace Officer but, of course, the trends of late could prove differently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_officer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_police#United_States
http://www.dcjs.virginia.gov/pss/howto/registrations/armedSecurityOfficer.cfm

I hate the term rent-a-cop. It is like saying rent-a-teacher for subs, rent-a-doctor for RNPs, or rent-a-fags for bi-sexual men. There is no such thing as a rent-a-cop. There is a security guard... Some have complexes but that goes with being human.