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Mic'd up ump dealing with a pissed off manager

eric3579 says...

It was thrown at him or behind him in retaliation. I'm sure it was no surprise to anyone involved this might be coming.

"The background for the explosive moment was an incident in the 2015 playoffs, when the Dodgers’ Chase Utley broke the leg of the Mets’ Ruben Tejada on a slide into second base that many observers, and not just in the New York dugout, thought was dirty. Utley was initially suspended two games, but he appealed and was able to stay active for the rest of the series, won in five games by a Mets team that chose to save retribution for a less meaningful time." -Washington Post

In context, makes more sense how pissed off the manager was and how understanding the umpire was to what the manager was saying and angry about.

Here is the Utley slide.
https://www.mlb.com/video/must-c-tejada-injured-on-slide/c-521658783Also
As a side note due to this play MLB changed the rules of what is an acceptable slide.

RFlagg said:

Okay, so many questions as I don't do baseball much.

First, why would he throw the ball so far behind the batter? Just to walk him? Whenever I've seen them walk a batter, the catcher just stands and they just throw high and over to the side. Why would he be ejected for walking a batter? Batters are walked all the time. What is the situation where you can't walk a batter? Is it the way he's walking the batter being far off normal?

Very Rare Triple Play

Shepppard says...

There was two runners on base, one on 1st base (The right corner) and one on 2nd (the top corner). When the ball is hit, they BOTH have to run to the next base, so the 2nd base goes to 3rd, first goes to second, and the runner goes to first.

If the ball is thrown to someone on the defensive side for the inning, and they touch the base before the runner does, they're out.

Basically, what happened was the ball was hit to the second basemen, he threw it backhanded to the shortstop who tagged second base and got the out for the runner coming from first.

The Shortstop then threw the ball to the third basemen who attempted to tag the runner (that also counts as an out) and the runner was caught in a rundown between the shortstop and third baseman.

The person on first base, then in what appears to be the biggest bonehead move of the season so far, decided to run anyway, even though the other runner was tagged out, and got himself tagged out in the process.

wedgie said:

I'm a luddite, not from the US, so don't have a good understanding of baseball. Can someone explain what happened?

Pinch hitter displays superior ninja skills

Shepppard says...

Ah, to clarify the sliding, it was a generalization of how I got to the base. The only reason I'd be anywhere off the bag is because A) Lefty hitter, meaning play farther from the bag in case of a grounder, or B) It was a softball league and runners weren't allowed leadoffs, so I'd have to stay off the baseline as to not interfere.

Now, Following up on the slide, sometimes I did actually slide, which in a sense was used to slow me down. Years ago I had an injury while playing first where I did not slow down, I hit the bag with my right leg and the left one swung forward (As, they generally tend to when you're running) and the inside of my knee was hammered by the runner leaving a massive bump for a few weeks. Again, I never played that far off the bag unless A or B was met, but in some cases it was the only way to avoid my prior situation.

Now, the league itself is broken down into a 4 year age spread, So, the oldest bracket is 15-19. A lot of the pitchers were on the higher end of the age bracket and could get some serious speed on their pitches, which intimidated the newbies to that bracket, so a lot of hits were either light and grounded between 1st and second, or straight up bunts.

How a normal play for that situation should go is first base (me) would run to grab the ball, second base would run behind and take over first for the throw. This could not happen, as every team had a balance of shit players, and our two were generally stuck in right field, and second base. They were usually terrible at catching, throwing, and it was usually faster for the guy to get from home to first base then them to get from second to first. So, a lot of legwork had to be done by yours truly, and to avoid having to slow up or collide, I slid.

Another is because sliding and sticking my left foot out to touch the bag set my body up perfectly for a throw into home should the need have arisen.

Don't get me wrong, A normal play for me involved me moving two steps and just catching the ball, but situations arose where that was complicated.

And.. just one quick note, Ever notice joedirt, how proffessional fielders generally have people who can aim and throw the ball at them? You know, well enough that they get paid for it? yeah.. my league didn't have those kinds of people.

Also, it's been said.. But just ponder a moment. When ISN'T a play at first base a force out when they're running at you from home? I'm glad you can feel you're superior to me though, even though you've never seen me play, nor will you ever, as I'm now out of the age bracket.

However, I guess I really do suck, even though I'm the reason we won my KMBSA year end tournament by making two lay down catches and a line catch at first.

Oh, and the same year I won the year end tournament for the police league I also play on because family members are permitted, and my dads a cop. I lead the team for home runs, and I was 19 on a team full of 25-40 year old cops.

I wasn't trying to brag or toot my own horn in my original comment, and I'm still not. But I'd like to make it clear that I'm far from a bad or idiotic player.

Pinch hitter displays superior ninja skills

rychan says...

>> ^CheshireSmile:

his ninja skills are truly superior, because it seems no one on here noticed.
the video is about the runner jumping over the catcher, but that's not what the title is referring to. the actual hitter stops on second base, then, as the manager is arguing with the ump, he sneaks over to third. you can see it in the background.


It seems unlikely that he's sneaking to 3rd base. He walks directly in front of the short stop. I think it's more likely that he went to talk to a coach during the play stoppage.

Pinch hitter displays superior ninja skills

Mandtis says...

>> ^CheshireSmile:

his ninja skills are truly superior, because it seems no one on here noticed.
the video is about the runner jumping over the catcher, but that's not what the title is referring to. the actual hitter stops on second base, then, as the manager is arguing with the ump, he sneaks over to third. you can see it in the background.


Awesome, I hadn't even noticed it...

Pinch hitter displays superior ninja skills

CheshireSmile says...

his ninja skills are truly superior, because it seems no one on here noticed.

the video is about the runner jumping over the catcher, but that's not what the title is referring to. the actual hitter stops on second base, then, as the manager is arguing with the ump, he sneaks over to third. you can see it in the background.

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George Brett - Pine Tar Incident

nibiyabi says...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_tar_incident

From Wikipedia:

"In Major League Baseball lore, the Pine Tar Incident (also known as the Pine Tar Game) refers to a controversial incident that took place in an American League game played between the Kansas City Royals and New York Yankees on July 24, 1983.

Playing at New York's Yankee Stadium, the Royals were trailing 4-3 with two outs in the top of the ninth and U. L. Washington on first base. In the on deck circle, George Brett was heard remarking to a teammate, "Watch this baby fly" as he shook his bat. He then came to the plate and connected off Yankee reliever Rich "Goose" Gossage for a two-run home run and a 5-4 lead.

As Brett crossed the plate, New York manager Billy Martin approached home plate umpire Tim McClelland and requested that Brett's bat be examined. Earlier in the season, Martin and other members of the Yankees (most notably, third baseman Graig Nettles who, as a member of the Minnesota Twins, recalled a similar incident involving Thurman Munson) had noticed the amount of pine tar used by Brett, but Martin had chosen not to say anything until the home run. According to Nettles' autobiography, "Balls," Nettles claims that he actually informed Martin of the pine tar rule, as Nettles had previously undergone the same scrutiny with his own bat while with the Minnesota Twins.

With Brett watching from the dugout, McClelland and the rest of the umpiring crew inspected the bat. Measuring the bat against the width of home plate (which is 17 inches), they determined that the amount of pine tar on the bat's handle exceeded that allowed by Rule 1.10(b) of the Major League Baseball rule book, which read that 'a bat may not be covered by such a substance more than 18 inches from the tip of the handle.'

McClelland signaled that Brett's home run was nullified and the game over. An enraged Brett stormed out of the dugout to confront McClelland, and had to be physically restrained by Kansas City manager Dick Howser and his teammates. (As one commentator stated, 'Brett has become the first player in history to hit a game-losing home run.') Despite the furious protests of Brett and Howser, McClelland's ruling stood. The Royals protested the game ('TAR WARS!' blared a New York Post headline), and their protest was upheld by American League president Lee MacPhail. MacPhail (who coincidentally had once been the Yankees' chief executive) ruled that while the bat was illegal, it didn't violate the 'spirit of the rules.' He added that the bat was not 'altered to improve the distance factor,' and that the rules only provided for removal of the bat from the game, not calling the batter out. Baseball writer Bill James concurred, saying that, unlike other sports, 'in baseball, when you hit a double, that's a double.'

MacPhail ordered the game resumed with two out in the top of the ninth inning with the Royals up 5-4. He also ruled that Brett was to be ejected for his outburst.

On August 18 (a scheduled off day for both teams), the game was resumed from the point of Brett's home run, with about 1,200 fans in attendance. Martin symbolically protested the continuation of the game by putting pitcher Ron Guidry in center field and first baseman Don Mattingly at second base. Mattingly, a lefty, became the majors' first southpaw second baseman since Oakland's Gonzalo Marques [1] a decade earlier; there has been one only lefty middle infielder in a big-league game since (Thad Bosley, in 1987).[2]

Before the first pitch to Hal McRae (who followed Brett in the lineup), Martin challenged Brett's home run on the grounds that Brett had not touched all the bases, and maintained that there was no way for the umpires (a different crew than the one who worked July 24) to dispute this. But umpire Davey Phillips was ready for Martin, producing an affidavit signed by the July 24 umpires stating that Brett had indeed touched all the bases. An irate Martin continued to argue with the umpires and was ejected from the game. Yankees reliever George Frazier struck McRae out to finally end the top of the ninth, twenty-five days after it had begun. Dan Quisenberry then got New York out 1-2-3 in the bottom of the ninth to preserve the Royals' 5-4 win.

The bat is currently on display in the Baseball Hall of Fame, where it has been since 1987. During a broadcast of Mike & Mike in the Morning, ESPN analyst Tim Kurkjian stated that Brett used the bat for a few games after the incident until being cautioned that the bat would be useless if broken. Brett sold the bat to a collector for $25,000, had second thoughts, repurchased the bat for the exact same amount from the collector and then donated the bat to the Hall of Fame.


The winning pitcher for the Royals was reliever Mike Armstrong, who went 10-7 that year in 58 appearances, notching career highs in wins and games. In a 2006 interview, Armstrong said a angry Yankees fan threw a brick from an overpass at Kansas City's bus cracking the windshield as the Royals were leaving for the airport after the make up game. 'It was wild to go back to New York and play these four outs in a totally empty stadium' Armstrong said. 'I'm dressed in the uniform, and nobody's there'. Mike was still pitching baseball as recently as 2006 at age 52 in the Athens Area Men's Baseball league in Athens Ga, where he still has a fastball in the mid 80's."

Basically, this was a totally unprecedented event, in that (a) a super-old, completely outdated rule was dug up by an opposing manager, (b) it was upheld by the umpire, (c) the ruling was overturned and the game was resumed later on in the year. This has become the most famous event in George Brett's career, something he doesn't mind at all, considering that before this, he was most famous for suffering with hemorrhoids during the playoffs.

White Stripes - 'Ball and Biscuit'; long, bluesy performance

bamdrew says...

Its roots-rock, JAPR. Folk and blues-revivalists (ex: Bob Dylan) tend to revel in the anti-perfection, anti-production, and singular voice of the originals (ex: Woody Guthrie, Robert Johnson). By 'singular voice' I mean a minimally invasive backing following the lead wherever the lead wants to go.

Implying that for performers to be good they must skillfully comply to playing their instrument as 'professionally' as others is practically the definition of musical close-mindedness.

... not that I'm calling you close-minded; I don't know you, and for all I know you wrote your comment in 15 seconds based on watching 10 seconds of the clip... I'm just throwing that out there, is-all. Spicing up the boards!

Baseball manager tantrum gets more bizarre as it goes along

Abbott and Costello's "Who's on First?" Routine

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