that clay and sand mixing reminded me of making salmon patties.

*quality Sam!
My grandparents moved to Suquamish, WA after grandpa retired from Sears. I still remember the Salmon Days festival every summer ... good times. Good people [though I was allegedly acquainted with a few of the bad boys of the tribe ... rebel that I was]

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True story -- the folks who fish in Alaska during the salmon runs are told that if a bear shows up to step back from the river. The bears won't bother them if they step back.

Well, person I was talking to told me that a bear showed up, everyone stepped back.... and the bear went to their catch lines, or whatever they are called, picked them up and ate all the fish. Like eating corn on the cob.

Why go into the river and work for a fish, when they are already caught for you?

The mean estimate of the number of ALL North American tribes was around 8 million (8.5 if you consider the small amount in Canada). Want to know the population of LA? If you guess around 4 million, you are correct.

The population of the state of California is close to 40 million. About 1/3 to 1/2 of that number lives in what should be desert. Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico have about 20 million people, most of whom live in desert like conditions. You can't support that number of people in a desert region on existing resources.

As far as food waste and obesity, you are talking about a small handful of developed, affluent nations. The rest of the world is starving. Even if we magically moved that food waste daily to people in need around the world, we would still have people who didn't get enough. We are at our limit on supplying food for the population, as it continues to grow, even the food waste issue will need to be solved if we plan to keep people just in those first world nations fed.

Trawling today is different. It used to be about doing as little work as you needed to for the most return. Now it is about getting your quota before the season ends, because we are desperately trying to keep the marine population sustainable. Even so, we are running out of some types of fish. Wild catch salmon is going to be gone in a few years, it will mostly be farm raised, which will also impact the environment. Cod is harder to come by as well because it is being over fished.

I have to admit, I don't know where you are going with the nuclear issue and weapons. The amount of nuclear waste from decommissioned weapons is minimal. The amount from power, medical, and research is far greater. All three are fueled by a need to either provide power to a large population, keeping people alive, or researching future power/medical uses.

Am I relieved when friends or family members die? No, but those people are already here. They are already factored into the system, so to speak. What we need to do to fix our current looming nightmare is to prevent or persuade people to stop having kids. Population is not a data-in only situation, it's data-out also. People die, if you don't replace them then there are more resources available. My wife and I chose not to have kids, not because we wouldn't love them, but because it was the responsible thing to do. As @newtboy mentioned, we won't necessarily fix all the issues by reducing population growth, but it would be a huge help. It might also give us time to work out other solutions, because we are looking down the barrel of a loaded gun.

There was a slogan up here in the Canadian Northwet with people lobbying against fish "farms".

"Wild Salmon don't do drugs!!"

I guess that was bullshit.

So remember this when your probation officer asks for a drug test and just claim you eat lots of fish.

I wonder what salmon that don't spawn near populated areas have in them. I catch mine on the Klamath and Smith rivers, neither of which are very populated. I'm curious to know if the ocean is so polluted that where the fish is from originally doesn't matter.

You do understand that he and others like him are a large part of why there isn't a salmon fishery in the East anymore, right? Well, overfishing, and loss of habitat. Now we're quickly doing that here in the West. Lose the salmon, you'll lose the forest.

Lol all I do when looking at this is think how much I f'ing love Salmon. My father-in-law used to go up north (in NY) and salmon fish for 3-4 days and bring back - on his luckier trips - half a dozen 20-40 pound fish. We'd eat them all winter. God I loved it.

Sucks today because fresh salmon is almost non-existent here in NY these days. Glad to see them coming back in Alaska.

The only time I craved salmon roe was when I discovered what the potions you can make in Skyrim with it are worth.