I can see where you're coming from, totally. I suppose the one saving grace of the movie for me was that John Doe was in custody when the ending played out. At least I had a small sense of justice in that. And Morgan Freeman's character understood how deeply everyone had been played. The bad guy was fucking evil incarnate, but at least he got caught. I can see how that might not be enough for some. I guess I'm easy that way

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I just found that the whole se7ven movie's purpose was to make you feel like shit by the time you see his wife's head in the box. I walked out of that movie utterly depressed. Sure the whole deadly sins thing was clever, but so contrived and just a means to an end that was utterly horrible.



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(last comment, I swear) The thing is, the Kevin Spacey character in Se7en was hideously and evil and scary et al but at least he had a point to make. The killer in NCFOM? He has no point. None. He's just a scary, evil motherfucker. That's it. And that's not enough for me.

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Your review makes me not want to see this movie. I dislike movies that are technically wonderful, (great perfomances, great story) but depress the hell out of me.

If I'm looking to get bummed out, there are cheaper methods than that. Red wine works for me.

I think the number 1 movie that was technically good but depressed me- would have to be "7" with Brad Pitt. Hate that movie.

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I just found that the whole se7ven movie's purpose was to make you feel like shit by the time you see his wife's head in the box. I walked out of that movie utterly depressed. Sure the whole deadly sins thing was clever, but so contrived and just a means to an end that was utterly horrible.



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(last comment, I swear) The thing is, the Kevin Spacey character in Se7en was hideously and evil and scary et al but at least he had a point to make. The killer in NCFOM? He has no point. None. He's just a scary, evil motherfucker. That's it. And that's not enough for me.

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Your review makes me not want to see this movie. I dislike movies that are technically wonderful, (great perfomances, great story) but depress the hell out of me.

If I'm looking to get bummed out, there are cheaper methods than that. Red wine works for me.

I think the number 1 movie that was technically good but depressed me- would have to be "7" with Brad Pitt. Hate that movie.

(last comment, I swear) The thing is, the Kevin Spacey character in Se7en was hideously and evil and scary et al but at least he had a point to make. The killer in NCFOM? He has no point. None. He's just a scary, evil motherfucker. That's it. And that's not enough for me.

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Your review makes me not want to see this movie. I dislike movies that are technically wonderful, (great perfomances, great story) but depress the hell out of me.

If I'm looking to get bummed out, there are cheaper methods than that. Red wine works for me.

I think the number 1 movie that was technically good but depressed me- would have to be "7" with Brad Pitt. Hate that movie.

Kinda brings to mind a Sandman quote: you just gave them something else to be afraid of, that the world is a frightening place, but they already knew that.
yeah, I know there's bad guys, even psychopathic freaks who are remorselss, relentless and unstoppable evil etc etc
I don't need to be reminded of it.

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Your review makes me not want to see this movie. I dislike movies that are technically wonderful, (great perfomances, great story) but depress the hell out of me.

If I'm looking to get bummed out, there are cheaper methods than that. Red wine works for me.

I think the number 1 movie that was technically good but depressed me- would have to be "7" with Brad Pitt. Hate that movie.

Funny... I totally loved Se7en" but most times I agree with you....
I wouldn;t normally say this, because I do believe brilliant movies should be seen but really, don't. It IS depressing.

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Your review makes me not want to see this movie. I dislike movies that are technically wonderful, (great perfomances, great story) but depress the hell out of me.

If I'm looking to get bummed out, there are cheaper methods than that. Red wine works for me.

I think the number 1 movie that was technically good but depressed me- would have to be "7" with Brad Pitt. Hate that movie.

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Your review makes me not want to see this movie. I dislike movies that are technically wonderful, (great perfomances, great story) but depress the hell out of me.

If I'm looking to get bummed out, there are cheaper methods than that. Red wine works for me.

I think the number 1 movie that was technically good but depressed me- would have to be "7" with Brad Pitt. Hate that movie.

Good joke. It reminds me one my buddy's Jewish father told me. Forgive me for not being a good joke teller, and for messing this up: A priest and a rabbi get into a bad car accident on the freeway. After talking and seeing if one another are injured, they find out they share similar professions. The priest says that they should thank god for the miracle, and the rabbi agrees. He says that he found a second miracle, and produces a bottle of red wine from his trunk. The priest is overjoyed and agrees to join the rabbi for a drink to their health. The priest takes a few swigs and hands the bottle back to the rabbi, who promptly hands it back. Befuddled, the priest asks him why he won't drink with him. The rabbi replies "I'll wait for the police to get here and determine the cause of the accident".

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Nice one - it sure takes me back. (swirls red wine)

Just a 1/1 mix of Hydrogen Peroxide & Liquid Soap will get out Red Wine stains. So I guess adding the Potassium Iodide would get out Pink Champaign stains???

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I "mean" no more red wine for me.

For convenience, here are the listed ingredients:
2 ¾ Lb lamb or beef
2 Tbsp of seasoned flour
12 ½ oz onions, sliced
8 oz carrots, sliced
2 medium leeks, washed and sliced
1 large potato, peeled and diced
2 ½ pt chicken stock
salt and pepper
2 bay leaves
8 ½ fl oz red wine
7⁄8 oz butter
4 Tbsp oil

and for the dumplings:
3 7⁄8 oz self-raising flour
1 Tbsp fresh parsley
1 ¾ oz shredded suet
1 large saucepan
1 cutting board
1 serving dish
1 knife
1 slotted spoon
1 spoon
1 serving bowl

and the rest of the steps are here for those who want to print them out.

Even though lamb is traditional, I prefer beef!

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InvaderSil - would you vote for a Family Guy clip in a boat? Or would you, could you - with a goat?

Try it, try it and you may - you may just like it InvaderSil-ay.

Apologies. Red wine.

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Well Monster, it is just a theory - but you can't deny that seeing a food has a strong influence on its flavour. You know the experiment where they gave sugar flavored lollies to a bunch of people? They were all just "sugar" flavoured, but the colours were different. Almost everyone identified the purple lollies as "grape" flavoured, the red lollies as "strawberry" etc etc.

Also, there was an experiment where they took red wine and somehow made it look like a white, and also put red food colouring in some white wine. They gave the wines to a panel of "wine experts". The experts identified the red coloured wines as having "hints of tobacco, blackberrys and tanins" while the white-coloured red wines had "overtones of honey and wheat" You get my point - they associated the red coloured wine with red coloured flavours and the white white with light coulored flavours.

So you can't say that people like ketchup just because of its taste. That's one of the dumbest things I'VE ever read. Colour of foods play a HUGE role in how we perceive flavour. Try colouring some ketchup blue at your next bar-b-que and see how big of a hit it is.