Greene and Gosar were scheduled speakers and celebrities at a racist white nationalist rally last weekend.
Republicans gave lip service to the idea that racist white nationalism doesn’t belong in the party, but have not censured or reprimanded either for what isn’t their first time courting racist white nationalists, because there clearly and blatantly is a place for racist white nationalists, neo-nazis, and white terrorists in your party….way more room than there is for those concerned with direct attacks against democracy and America and other treason.
Also Wendy Rogers (AZ) at different events. Her Republican Governor supported that by funding her campaign.
You can stop pretending you aren’t racist and fascist, your party has all but given up denying it.

I read it, nowhere did it give an estimate of what those protests cost, and it indicated there were multiple other routes for the oil to travel so didn’t even disrupt oil transportation completely, much less ALL commerce.
And it was about pipelines crossing their (or protected) land it seems, a far cry from the truckers. Yes, the validity and severity of your cause matters, just like the damage you do and to whom.

Billions worth of goods stuck temporarily…but no actual estimated cost for their delay, this cost billions in lost production and salaries that won’t be recovered.

That protest was targeted against the offending entity, not the populace. I have no issue with natives blockading their own land and preserves that feed those reservations against permanent destruction for some private profits. That’s a far cry from the truckers blockading the main border crossing for industry and tourism because they’re afraid to get a poke.

The numbers I saw were special. Hundreds of millions-billions lost (your billions in goods delayed doesn’t have a price tag). That was before the bridge was reopened. These protesters weren’t satisfied with that damage and continued to close your capitol with ever shifting demands. Since regular measures had failed, I support emergency measures, seizure, even forfeiture after trial, of any funds or tools used.

Perhaps they became only as localized (but certainly not as targeted, and localized in a city not the unpopulated country), but they had already done exponentially more damage and showed no sign of end or even demands.

Let’s ignore someone personally supporting a grass roots movement outside their country and control, please. I find it a red herring totally unconnected to how he governs.

Yes, some Floyd protests were more violent than the truckers, some weren’t, remember how they were all violently smashed, tear gassed, rubber bullets galore, run through with police trucks, unmarked vans pulling up and grabbing people crossing the streets, unmarked vans driving through towns full of police shooting tear gas at any moving body, etc? Don’t pretend the response is similar.
Also, the Floyd protests lasted a weekend in most cases (occupy Portland really wasn’t about Floyd) and went elsewhere the next march. They weren’t closing down one area for weeks intent on staying. Most lasted hours and were peaceful until police became violent, despite right wing media’s fear-mongering.

I think you’re stretching, putting on blinders, and doing insane mental gymnastics to pretend you believe that. From the actual damage caused, the idiotic reasoning behind it (quickly abandoned), the extremely uncanadianness of the self centered far right rally masquerading as protest, the international damage, the foreign involvement from planning to funding, these are unique “protests” in numerous ways.

Their idiotic beliefs are only one of many distinctions I’ve pointed out, and as I mentioned only color public opinion and the amount of patience they’re given by the public, not how the government treats them. It’s not at all honest for you to pretend that’s the entirety of my position…it’s very Bob of you, and has lost some of my respect.

Pipelines crossing sovereign territory or preserves = bad so blockading those areas to force pipeline movement = good….oil companies didn’t truck the oil out, they increased shipments from other areas by rail. Read the article you linked.

Native cultures and governments are different. Pretending an elected board for a reservation works for the people is naive in the extreme. Read about politics on reservations, who funds the people that get elected in most cases, what happens to opposing candidates…saying the board signed off while so many showed up to fight against it seems a bit at odds, no? Like maybe the board members were bribed, had ties with the oil industry, or other conflicts….just maybe?

And again, those protests didn’t cost a fraction what the truckers did from my research. Delaying delivery of a billion in goods isn’t the same as costing a billion in losses. Neither is delaying or cancelling a billion dollar project. Be adult please….don’t make such specious arguments ….please. They don’t slip by, and they make me think you are being disingenuous.

@newtboy,

I agree with more of what you say than you make out. You need to appreciate how different Canada is from the US, particularly in power balance within government and corresponding police action and media coverage.

Long delays in stopping illegal blockade and protest activity is the norm.
-Fairy Creek blockades persisted almost 12 months before police took action
-Blockade of Coastal Link pipepline went on for months before police intervened to allow work to continue.
-Mohawk solidarity blockade of railways in Ontario persisted multiple weeks

The difference to the protests today, the Liberal government was tripping over themselves to reach out to those protest groups, while immediately spitting in the faces of this one.

I've always been of the opinion illegally blocking a roadway, border or business should lead to arrests within the time it takes to notify and send police.

The problem here from a Canadian eye, is that the only time current government is interested in bringing a hammer down is based not upon the actions of protestors, but instead based upon their professed cause.

I refuse to accept tying the right to protest to what cause is being rallied to.

MTG also said...
- the venue(s) shutting down her 'rally' was impinging on her 1st Amendment rights
- nancy pelosi was spying on congress via the gazpacho police
- wearing PPE was the same as being forced to wear a yellow star
...so one can rely on her nescience.

I do….and I can list reasons why I think what I think, unlike yourself who is embarrassed to admit you never actually think yourself and all your arguments come from disgraced and debunked liars who’s jobs are to lie, almost exclusively when it comes to any political topic.

The ship only turns so fast. It needed SO much correction on SO many issues because the last demander in chief refused to steer the nation anywhere but into a reef for the last entire year of his term….the last 3 months totally intentionally while he drilled holes in the keel and cut holes in the sails.

The nation certainly needed serious and immediate correction. Glad to hear you admit it, even accidentally.
You’re complaining about more spending!? You must be joking! Compared to spendthrift Trump, he’s a fucking miser. Every major project he’s put forward has been paid for in the bill, not so with the last administration that thought they couldn’t overspend because they can print more money….the biggest deficit and fastest debt rise (both by dollar and percentage) EVER by a mile. And put us in a recession with high inflation, negative GDP, outrageous unemployment, and near a million dead for the privilege. Joe invested in American infrastructure. Complaining about spending will not be tolerated from you after supporting Trump. Not for a second, you unbelievable hypocrite.

He did many things, leading to a healthy economy and amazing jobs numbers and rising wages among other improvements. All work against inflation.

But you like to say he’s done nothing, so how’s 4 examples on the Afghanistan disaster alone work for you?
He negotiated 6 more months to be gone.
He evacuated any and all Americans that wanted out, including those that waited until the last day.
He set up and staffed new systems (granted too little and late) to assist Afghans that worked for us in getting at least refugee status if not visas. This should have been step 1 in February 2020….likely a big surprise to find nothing started or planned when Joe took office.
He pulled out billions worth of functioning, still owned by America weaponry (what you love to whine about is the weapons in Afghani’s hands, and decommissioned often scuttled vehicles we abandoned….yes, a waste) that before he took office were being left in country.
Simply put, he made a plan and implemented it, can’t say the same for his predecessor. It wasn’t perfect, but it was something….which is a massive improvement.

He’s a mile above the low bar set by your idol, who spent nearly a full 1/3 of his presidency off playing golf (after promising not to play at all), and >1/2 of every day on personal executive time eating junk food and watching TV (but only ever taking softball questions from far right outlets, refusing any non right wing reporters a question much less interview). The remaining 1/6 was largely filled with rage tweeting and executive toilet time (pooping or shredding, you choose).

Your position is old, dementia ridden, no leadership, no question taking, slow, incapable of speaking or thinking, doesn’t know who or where he is Joe kicked fat lazy dumb Don’s ass without even holding rallies, did it in his pjs without breaking a sweat or raising his voice. Odd you love to constantly degrade the guy who’s by every measure head and shoulders above your messiah and proved it by a historic landslide. Seems you wouldn’t want to keep putting Trump down as a massive total loser to such a sad, weak, incompetent opponent, but you gotta be you.

Ruh roe….Trump said vaccines are good.
The far right lunatic league has decided their conspiracy theories are correct, so Trump must be a libtard moron or part of the plan to force mind control drugs and microchips into them, and are quickly abandoning him! Lol…too good.
For instance, Owens has now said he’s a very very old man who only watches main stream news and no longer participates in their alternate facts/alternate reality. Not a ringing endorsement. Jones says something similar, Trump’s either ignorant or one of the most evil men.
So, thinking Republicans are fleeing the party in droves, and Q nuts are abandoning Trump in droves. Trump has abandoned McConnel, and McConnel is abandoning Trump.

This coming 2 weeks after Trump’s sad rally became such a super spreader event that his anti vax nutters decided they were attacked with anthrax, because Covid isn’t real so they couldn’t have it. If only there was a test to find out which one they have….

And don’t forget that cokehead Trump Jr just told conservatives to abandon Christianity…saying “the teachings of Jesus has gotten us nothing.”….abandoning both religion and grammar in one fell swoop.

I love it when a plan comes together. The self destruction of the Republican Party is a thing of beauty.

Absolutely not, IMO.
It’s not self defense if you hunt your victim, he did.
It’s not self defense if the people you shoot were not armed. You can’t use a gun in defense from a fist. He did.

It’s not self defense if you hear a pop (no shot was fired AT Rittenhouse, if the defense is to be believed, someone else shot into the air to get the gun toting aggressor to leave and stop threatening everyone with death). Rittenhouse had no idea if he heard a gun, firecracker, or plastic bag being popped.

It’s not self defense if you murder people trying to escape from the first murder you committed in public, the second and third victims were preforming legal citizens arrests on an armed, aggressive murderer attempting to flee the scene of his crimes.

What he did is 100% not self defense, if that idiotic defense works, it’s open season. All anyone has to do is say they had to shoot up that preschool, those kids were coming right for them….SHOOT EM NED!!

Hypothetical scenario….I had to shoot your family….I broke into your house because I thought you might do drugs in there, and I’m, on my own accord, protecting your town from drug users even though I have no authority, and when you yelled at me in your bedroom doorway and threw a clock it was scary, so I shot your wife and shot you in the dick and chest, then your kids came out screaming at me and one threw a doll, so I shot them too, then left without reporting any of it, and fled the state immediately. Self defense. Almost exactly the same thing.

If a jury accepts self defense in these circumstances, they are not impartial.
If a jury accepts a self defense claim, the next Trump rally is going to be a blood bath, and the attackers will claim self defense.
If a jury accepts a self defense claim, it will send a clear message that hunting humans for pleasure will be legal in the US, because that’s exactly what he did.

So much for more Cyber Ninjas vote reviews….the CEO has said his company won’t do anymore after the hundreds of death threats he and his staff received after giving their report that found no fraud, no evidence of fraud, and widened the gap Biden won by by over 360 votes.
(And no, those results don’t legitimize their little review, it just shows that they weren’t willing to just make up evidence to fit their preconceptions under the threat of perjury and fraud charges.)

Since the Republican Party is a domestic terrorist organization, the death threats are not surprising, but it is gratifying to watch you all eat yourselves, like the fist fights among the factions at his latest rallies and the death threats against Republican senators that won’t break laws and ignore the constitution for Trump. Even MTG is getting attacked because her attempted impeachments indicate she believes Biden is the president, and that’s unacceptable to at least one caste in your cult.

I love it when a plan comes together.

Ruh-roe
Remember Brandon Straka? The creator of the fake #walkaway movement, who claimed to have been a democrat but became disillusioned, switched parties, and became a far far right wing liar, faking his movement using stock photos and made up people who #walkedaway with him.

He was a speaker at the “stop the steal” rally, a coordinator for the violent mob, and a leader at the “stop the steal”riot.

He’s flipping on the “let’s commit treason for Trump” crowd. Threatened with 6 months in jail, he’s turning over any and all communications he has with fellow rioters and anyone in Trump’s administration or organization. As a leader of a (fake) right wing movement, and a speaker, he would have been in communication with the Trump team if not Trump himself. There’s a reason Trump wants no one to testify, because when there’s proof he coordinated and facilitated the failed coup attempt, as we all know he did, he could end up before a firing squad.

I bet he wishes he paid his lawyers now, he needs a bunch of really top notch lawyers, and can’t find any decent lawyers that are dumb enough to work for him, they like to be paid.

D’oh!

This strikes close to home.
History in my town.

Not because I'm a Yankee but I've moved to Monroe NC back in 2001 for work.

I've read that this was a segregated town back in 61 when I was born.
This town was a Klan meet up for all surrounding areas .

This Document indicated an incident where 15,000 Klansman held a rally here.


This document shows some real fuckery form late 50's and 60's

Heads up….know this before you post more of the fake cyber ninjas review that claims the election should be decertified, the fake report Trump whipped out at his weekend rally and he claimed AZ Senators refused to accept…I’m guessing that’s where you got your insane numbers and conclusions, from Trump, not from reading the report….the actual report, not the fake one Trump wrote himself, doesn’t make claims of fraud found (only potential frauds) and doesn’t call for decertification.

“ There is a false version of the executive summary of the Maricopa county forensic election audit report that is circulating this false version claims to be an earlier version of the cybernetic ninjas executive summary, but because of supposed threats from the Senate, it was not used.
This is absolutely false.
The exact origins to the executive summary are unknown, but it was not written by cyber ninja CEO, Doug Logan, nor was it in any version that was ever sent or shown to the Senate for review, specifically the false version of the executive summary states the election should not be certified.” - Cyber ninja

He suckered you again with a blatant lie you could have disproven easily, but he knows you won’t ever investigate, so he can convince you of any moronic lie with no effort.

🤦‍♂️

@newtboy After the thankfully uneventful rally in Washington yesterday, it occurred to me; THAT is like celebrating the attack. The buildings on fire aren't celebrating the hijackers. The rally, however, is cheering on those who attacked or would attack the US Capitol.

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Texas held a similar rally in late July....the organizer, 30 year old Caleb Wallace, showed signs of covid by July 30 but refused testing or treatment, opting for vitamins and ivermectin, a horse dewormer conspiracy theorists have decided is some kind of covid medicine (it's not), and was hospitalized shortly thereafter and has been in icu since Aug 8 near death. His family, pregnant wife and three young kids, is begging online for funds to pay home and medical bills. The hospital has asked his family to sign a do not resuscitate order because they have no treatment options and are running out of oxygen thanks to so many anti vaxers filling the hospitals.
So far they have refused to sign, forcing the hospital to continue to treat him, meaning someone else with a chance to survive can't get a hospital bed and they will die too.

This guy spouted some of the most dangerous, anti science, anti medicine conspiracy theories and lies for a year, and worked hard to stop any actual medical advice from being followed.

No one deserves this outcome more. If only he had to live with it...death seems like he's getting off easy, leaving his family and the rest of us to live with the consequences of his choices.