>> ^cito:

we need more people rise up and capture these pigs and hang them from city street lights and video tape it to put on youtube. Make the cops scared of us for once.


No thanks. Violence will only justify their role.

>> ^chilaxe:

It might be easy to answer a simple question wrong if it's late at night and you're distracted with what's going on across the street, and being put in a high stakes situation with police can make people nervous as well. Perhaps he misinterpreted it as "Do you live at this house (the house across the street)?"
This seems to be one of the few police brutality videos on the sift that could actually happen to rationalists.


Yeah I suppose you're right. I can't help but feel that this entire situation could have been avoided if he had answered that one question differently though. Having said that, the officer is still an asshole.

>> ^eric3579:

It is sad and upsetting that there are so many police brutality sifts, and to the point of them seeming redundant. I however get extremely angry every time I see one, and sometimes feel the need to give it the most exposure I can. If you feel it unnecessary to watch another police brutality video, I would skip over the one titled "Las Vegas Police Beating Caught On Tape". Just Saying.
>> ^Sarzy:
>> ^eric3579:
I'm sorry you're annoyed by the amount of police brutality videos on the sift. Police brutality can be so annoying and inconvenient.
>> ^Sarzy:
Wow, a police brutality video! I've never seen one of those on the sift!


Well, aren't these videos getting a bit redundant at this point? We all get it. Cops can be dicks. Cops abuse their power. Is there anyone left on the sift who doesn't get that at this point?
I think this is what is known as preaching to the choir.



Fair enough. I still think that submitting videos designed to provoke the exact same anger and sadness that the last dozen brutality videos provoked strikes me as vaguely Sisyphean, but to each his own I guess.

It is sad and upsetting that there are so many police brutality sifts, and to the point of them seeming redundant. I however get extremely angry every time I see one, and sometimes feel the need to give it the most exposure I can. If you feel it unnecessary to watch another police brutality video, I would skip over the one titled "Las Vegas Police Beating Caught On Tape". Just Saying.
>> ^Sarzy:

>> ^eric3579:
I'm sorry you're annoyed by the amount of police brutality videos on the sift. Police brutality can be so annoying and inconvenient.
>> ^Sarzy:
Wow, a police brutality video! I've never seen one of those on the sift!


Well, aren't these videos getting a bit redundant at this point? We all get it. Cops can be dicks. Cops abuse their power. Is there anyone left on the sift who doesn't get that at this point?
I think this is what is known as preaching to the choir.

>> ^eric3579:

I'm sorry you're annoyed by the amount of police brutality videos on the sift. Police brutality can be so annoying and inconvenient.
>> ^Sarzy:
Wow, a police brutality video! I've never seen one of those on the sift!



Well, aren't these videos getting a bit redundant at this point? We all get it. Cops can be dicks. Cops abuse their power. Is there anyone left on the sift who doesn't get that at this point?

I think this is what is known as preaching to the choir.

Thought this might interest you
http://videosift.com/video/Las-Vegas-Police-Beating-Caught-On-Tape

Yes, you are patronizing; it oozes out of your posts. No, you don't know what you're talking about.

The correct answer is that there is not enough data to prove one way or another. Even the organization in the link you provided admit the severe limitations of their technique, which primarily relies on media reports. Your obvious pro-cop bias (nothing wrong with that, but at least admit it) leads you to think that the very scant data supports your point.

Even your back-of-the-envelope calculation show your bias. And do you really think that 54 cases of brutality in a year is so insignificant? Probably because you think you or your loved ones will never be on the wrong end of a stick. 54 is quite alot for one city. Hell, one is too many, to be frank. Setting a low bar for our officers is not helping them.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:
I never patronized you, longde. I don't know why you're so defensive Second, I thought that when you said, "and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely," that you knew what you were talking about. Obviously, since you would "have to do homework" on the issue--instead of being able to state the cases you know--you don't know what you talking about.
Here, let me show you I know what I am talking about. Let's say that "quite often" in a large community (A large city) is once per day or a little less. Now, the site I use is definitely biased against cops with the language they use... However, that goes in my favor--since even biased sites seemingly cannot show systemic police brutality.
http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=2218
The calculations here are only 3 months of reported cases, so we should multiply it by at least 4 to make it as close to year's worth as possible.
Note, for simplicity, I use the information under the header "Law Enforcement Agencies Employing 1000+ Officers".
Note, let's also say that the reported cases are not inclusive of all cases--so let's add 50% more (In your favor.)
Last note, only about 30% of these cases are "force related," I.e taser, brutality, animal cruelty, etc.
So, the highest noted city, Atlanta Georgia, has 38 cases for three months. Multiply by 4, 152... let's add that .5 for non-reported, and that's 228... But wait, let's subtract a few that are perhaps bullshit. (I remember around my area a guy was abused in a wheelchair. The offending officer got a felony, lost his pension, and other charges that he deserved. Right after that though, a guy literally threw himself from a wheelchair without being touched, and another reached up and tried to pull another officer on top of him, all so they could get that big payout of a lawsuit...ass-hats should look for cameras.) So let's take out 20%, even though it's probably higher because you can sue the state easier than Wal-Mart... So about 182 at most...
Since only about 30% of those cases are abuse-related, that means police beat citizens in Atlanta Ga about 54 times in a year!!!! OMG!!! That's so rampant!
Now, my math sucks, so I could be off a lot, or a little, who knows. But the point is, people tend to exaggerate shit when they have emotions predisposed against a group. I know bad police exist, and that they should be punished, I know this because I am not blinded by either admiration or hate.
>> ^longde:
To the contrary, instead of patronizing me with a homework assignment, how about providing proof of your original assertion about the rarity of such violence. In fact, your original response to me has many unproven statements.
>> ^Lawdeedaw:

I never patronized you, longde. I don't know why you're so defensive Second, I thought that when you said, "and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely," that you knew what you were talking about. Obviously, since you would "have to do homework" on the issue--instead of being able to state the cases you know--you don't know what you talking about.

Here, let me show you I know what I am talking about. Let's say that "quite often" in a large community (A large city) is once per day or a little less. Now, the site I use is definitely biased against cops with the language they use... However, that goes in my favor--since even biased sites seemingly cannot show systemic police brutality.

http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?p=2218

The calculations here are only 3 months of reported cases, so we should multiply it by at least 4 to make it as close to year's worth as possible.

***Note, for simplicity, I use the information under the header "Law Enforcement Agencies Employing 1000+ Officers".

***Note, let's also say that the reported cases are not inclusive of all cases--so let's add 50% more (In your favor.)

Last note, only about 30% of these cases are "force related," I.e taser, brutality, animal cruelty, etc.

So, the highest noted city, Atlanta Georgia, has 38 cases for three months. Multiply by 4, 152... let's add that .5 for non-reported, and that's 228... But wait, let's subtract a few that are perhaps bullshit. (I remember around my area a guy was abused in a wheelchair. The offending officer got a felony, lost his pension, and other charges that he deserved. Right after that though, a guy literally threw himself from a wheelchair without being touched, and another reached up and tried to pull another officer on top of him, all so they could get that big payout of a lawsuit...ass-hats should look for cameras.) So let's take out 20%, even though it's probably higher because you can sue the state easier than Wal-Mart... So about 182 at most...

Since only about 30% of those cases are abuse-related, that means police beat citizens in Atlanta Ga about 54 times in a year!!!! OMG!!! That's so rampant!

Now, my math sucks, so I could be off a lot, or a little, who knows. But the point is, people tend to exaggerate shit when they have emotions predisposed against a group. I know bad police exist, and that they should be punished, I know this because I am not blinded by either admiration or hate.



>> ^longde:

To the contrary, instead of patronizing me with a homework assignment, how about providing proof of your original assertion about the rarity of such violence. In fact, your original response to me has many unproven statements.
>> ^Lawdeedaw:

To the contrary, instead of patronizing me with a homework assignment, how about providing proof of your original assertion about the rarity of such violence. In fact, your original response to me has many unproven statements.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:
Okay, since you want to take what I said and "poof" make a statement completely contrary---prove where you note that "deadly police beatings and force already happen, and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely."
Proving it happens "quite often" should be easy--just post a list or a website that has at least 200 beatings and shootings within the last year, that was not self-defense, and your word will be true. 200 (Only 16.6 per month, not even 1 per day!) should not be hard, since law enforcement, depending what community you reside in, can make contact with the public thousands of times a month.
If you cannot find 200 in your community, find a bigger community and do some detective work. Remember though, the cases need to be verified, and at least not obvious cases of self-defense.
Otherwise, I will just assume that you hate cops for some silly reason...
Just remember, "quiet often" is a lofty statement. It is far harder to prove than what I said, "Rarely." An American dies quite often from a heart attack. I drive my car quite often. Car salesmen lie quite often...
Since it was you who made the statement, it is reasonable to back it up with facts.
>> ^longde:
Haha, damn right deadly police beatings and force already happen, and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely. Indeed, this has been happening for decades, so excuse me if I don't shed any crocodile tears for the newfound anxieties of those who never stepped up to stop these problems when they were only on the other side of the tracks.
And this donut huffer is still damn funny.....
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^longde:
I needed that laugh. promote

What I find ironic and sad is that these types of cops are being replaced by a far greater threat. Fat cops make their elected officials look silly, and so must be replaced. Unfortunately, they are being replaced by bulked up Soliders and Marines who have issues and have just returned from war--and they are strong...
But I guess we'll need this laugh now, because we will miss it when people are being beaten to death... And if you say, "It already happens," then you are right--it happens very rarily. I am talking about putting more loose cannons out there...
And hey, this cop is just like 50% of other Americans, that's whats tragic...
@ Sheppard; In my area, Sheppard, even age doesn't save you from the city's requirements. You pass, or you fail. In fact, the test is meant to get rid of higher paid, senior people--just like doing away with tenure is meant to get rid of higher paid teachers.

Okay, since you want to take what I said and "poof" make a statement completely contrary---prove where you note that "deadly police beatings and force already happen, and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely."

Proving it happens "quite often" should be easy--just post a list or a website that has at least 200 beatings and shootings within the last year, that was not self-defense, and your word will be true. 200 (Only 16.6 per month, not even 1 per day!) should not be hard, since law enforcement, depending what community you reside in, can make contact with the public thousands of times a month.

If you cannot find 200 in your community, find a bigger community and do some detective work. Remember though, the cases need to be verified, and at least not obvious cases of self-defense.

Otherwise, I will just assume that you hate cops for some silly reason...

Just remember, "quiet often" is a lofty statement. It is far harder to prove than what I said, "Rarely." An American dies quite often from a heart attack. I drive my car quite often. Car salesmen lie quite often...

Since it was you who made the statement, it is reasonable to back it up with facts.

>> ^longde:

Haha, damn right deadly police beatings and force already happen, and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely. Indeed, this has been happening for decades, so excuse me if I don't shed any crocodile tears for the newfound anxieties of those who never stepped up to stop these problems when they were only on the other side of the tracks.
And this donut huffer is still damn funny.....
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^longde:
I needed that laugh. promote

What I find ironic and sad is that these types of cops are being replaced by a far greater threat. Fat cops make their elected officials look silly, and so must be replaced. Unfortunately, they are being replaced by bulked up Soliders and Marines who have issues and have just returned from war--and they are strong...
But I guess we'll need this laugh now, because we will miss it when people are being beaten to death... And if you say, "It already happens," then you are right--it happens very rarily. I am talking about putting more loose cannons out there...
And hey, this cop is just like 50% of other Americans, that's whats tragic...
@ Sheppard; In my area, Sheppard, even age doesn't save you from the city's requirements. You pass, or you fail. In fact, the test is meant to get rid of higher paid, senior people--just like doing away with tenure is meant to get rid of higher paid teachers.

Haha, damn right deadly police beatings and force already happen, and they happen quite often in my community, not rarely. Indeed, this has been happening for decades, so excuse me if I don't shed any crocodile tears for the newfound anxieties of those who never stepped up to stop these problems when they were only on the other side of the tracks.

And this donut huffer is still damn funny.....

>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^longde:
I needed that laugh. promote

What I find ironic and sad is that these types of cops are being replaced by a far greater threat. Fat cops make their elected officials look silly, and so must be replaced. Unfortunately, they are being replaced by bulked up Soliders and Marines who have issues and have just returned from war--and they are strong...
But I guess we'll need this laugh now, because we will miss it when people are being beaten to death... And if you say, "It already happens," then you are right--it happens very rarily. I am talking about putting more loose cannons out there...
And hey, this cop is just like 50% of other Americans, that's whats tragic...
@ Sheppard; In my area, Sheppard, even age doesn't save you from the city's requirements. You pass, or you fail. In fact, the test is meant to get rid of higher paid, senior people--just like doing away with tenure is meant to get rid of higher paid teachers.

per wikipedia:
"N.W.O." (New World Order) is a song by the Industrial metal band Ministry, released as the second single off the album Psalm 69. The single was Ministry's biggest hit, topping out on the Billboard Modern Rock chart at #11.

The song is a protest against then President George H. W. Bush. The song features audio samples of his voice, with him repeating "A new world order" over and over again at the end of the song. At this point of the song in the video, Bush is portrayed by an actor with an enormous papier-mâché head, grabbing his crotch and waving his arms. The majority of the video is a mix of police beatings, riots, and gunfights. It also includes a scene in which a woman dressed as the Statue of Liberty is beaten by police in a manner similar to the famous amateur video of Rodney King being beaten by police.

The music video was featured on Beavis and Butt-Head along with Just One Fix off the same album, although the credits for each song call the album "Psalms 69".

"N.W.O." was featured in the soundtrack of the film Cool World (Songs from the Cool World).

"It's alright! It's alright!" in the song is a clip of Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now when he first greets the PBR boat.

>> ^Lithic:
Yepp, I'm sold; toss 'em in jail.


Agreed, throw the cops in jail. If that happened in Florida, they would be in jail. Texas, gotta hate it...

But criminals have some of the blame for the 'rough cop' mentality. Both cops and criminals are escalating the tensions in the communities to levels that are truly sad...

These cop deaths occured what, all in a month?

http://www.wesh.com/news/26594314/detail.html

And

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/us/21miami.html

And

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/23/detroit-police-shooting-4_n_812819.html

Sad, but both sides are probably going to get worse before they get better.

On the police end of the violence, this video shown on the sift

And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality

And

http://www2.tbo.com/static/special_reports_news/tbo-special-reports-news-wheelchair-tipping/
(Funny part is---no commentary on how race was an issue here...where is this activist then? Oh yeah, hating...sorry.)

Accountability on ALL sides is better than hating ONE side...

>> ^eric3579:
Did I mention that I hate the Police.


Hrm, you mean you hate police/criminals or police in general?

And do you hate the sleeze reporter who said this video was "too graphic to show" but showed it because "money" is more important than potential lives lost in riots? He should show it to expose the truth, not to whore it around...

And do you hate the "activist" who is trying to incite a riot in the hood? We do know that riots hurt a hell of a lot of regular people...

And do you hate the buglary suspect? Granted, innocent until proven guilty--but nothing says innocent like running as fast as you can.

And do you hate the viewers who soak this shit up and use it as a propaganda machine? Those who say, "Look at evil cops! Time to make an example of all cops!"

Well, now that I am done with my rant--here is what I think on the matter.

My view is this; these thugs deserve aggrevated battery, and the distinction of "officer" needs to be taken away from them. They stopped being cops when they took the "law" and smashed a boot upon its face. Third, this victim should be able to sue the police department. Fourth, if the victim/suspect is found guilty of buglary, sue him and recoup all the funds it costs to hold him in jail and his trial...