I gave up on Clancy when I was 16. I don't remember which book it was but there was a scene at the start where two full grown US military spook types meet in a bar somewhere in SE Asia, Bangkok maybe. They have a 'some damn fool said you were the best' type conversation then start good naturedly sparring with their knives, as you do. He describes the 'whirling, twisting' playfight -- for AGES (with a full on army boner no doubt).

Then he adds that a crowd (of natives) had gathered and were whooping and cheering them on delightedly. When the boys (let's call them JAKE and CLINT) have got it out of their system the crowd disperse, sad the fun is over. Then our heroes get back to planning who the US gov wants them to go and assassinate.

Clancy deals in right wing wet dreams. Interesting that his lot are starting to sell the same bullshit but now against US citizens - OWS. Couldn't play this game though. Pretending to shoot Castro in the head at the start of Black Ops made me feel queasy already. I mean Castro is a royal dick but millions of kids being taught to shoot real people by intellectually and morally questionable GAMES PRODUCERS?

All a bit dark.

>> ^budzos:

I have to reply to this. According to YOUR logic, we should all just eat McDonald's or NASA food-paste all the time, rather than steaks or natural foods. And we would all be gourmands. It's all food and one should never be on a high horse, right?
Some people might like to eat McDonald's from time to time, or all the time in some cases. The honest ones will admit that it's shit and is not in fact a steak nor does it have any of the potential of something not so rigidly bound by shitty material, shitty standards and an isolated context, etc. And the people who NEVER eat McDonald's are quite right when they say McDonald's is SHIT FOOD even though they're not trying to insult or feel superior to the people who eat it.
So, relax. Wrestling is idiotic. That doesn't mean I think you or any wrestling fan is idiotic. That's just your ego (and possibly your stupidity).
>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^budzos:
"For those who say that wrestling is fake."
But, wrestling IS fake. Why does every wrestling fan argue a straw man against this point? We're not saying "wrestling is a figment of your imagination" you [name-calling is bad]. We're saying there's about as much point to watching wrestling as there is to watching little boys playfight in the front yard. Except I'm pretty sure watching my two nephews tussle is less brain damaging.
Listen, wrestling fans: We REALIZE they're actually jumping around and stuff. We're not accusing all wrestlers of being robots, or holograms. We mean the FIGHT IS FAKE. We realize it might hurt to do some of those moves. Those FAKE moves.

Then using this logic why match movies? We KNOW they are fake so there's no point right? Guess what? The story is fake, just like wrestling. The acting is, well fake just like in wrestling. And the fights in a movie? You guessed it, FAKE! JUST LIKE IS WRESTLING! Get off your high horse pal. It's entertainment! If you don't like it, then don't watch it. But don't look down your nose at those of us who do enjoy watching it because you're no better or smarter than we are.



Wrong. That's not anywhere near "according to my logic" sorry to say. Where did I say we should all watch wrestling all the time? I said some people like to enjoy it and we that do don't need pretentious ass holes looking down at their noses at us because of the form of entertainment we chose to enjoy. One man's trash and all that.

I never said it wasn't crap either. In fact I agreed that it was fake and pointed out that it's no more fake than the movies and TV shows every one enjoys. I don't need to relax. I'm sick and tired of all the jerks on this site who think they are the quintessential "experts" on what type of music, movies, TV shows, etc is/are good or worthy of their godlike attention and everything else is crap. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean WE ALL have to not like it. Say you liked dub step for instance. I don't really consider that music. But you don't see me going around pointing it out every time someone posts a dub step music video on the sift, do ya?

I also find it hilarious how everyone rails on how fake wrestling is, but fake fights in movies and TV are perfectly OK to watch. Makes no fucking sense. All wresting is is bad skits with bad acting and some fake movie/stunt fighting. Some of us like it. We as fans KNOW it's fake. They (the wrestlers) KNOW it's fake, and they (the wrestlers) KNOW that we KNOW it's fake. But part of the fun is seeing how good at FAKING it they are. Nice move insulting my intelligence. Class act you are.

I have to reply to this. According to YOUR logic, we should all just eat McDonald's or NASA food-paste all the time, rather than steaks or natural foods. And we would all be gourmands. It's all food and one should never be on a high horse, right?

Some people might like to eat McDonald's from time to time, or all the time in some cases. The honest ones will admit that it's shit and is not in fact a steak nor does it have any of the potential of something not so rigidly bound by shitty material, shitty standards and an isolated context, etc. And the people who NEVER eat McDonald's are quite right when they say McDonald's is SHIT FOOD even though they're not trying to insult or feel superior to the people who eat it.

So, relax. Wrestling is idiotic. That doesn't mean I think you or any wrestling fan is idiotic. That's just your ego (and possibly your stupidity).

>> ^Duckman33:

>> ^budzos:
"For those who say that wrestling is fake."
But, wrestling IS fake. Why does every wrestling fan argue a straw man against this point? We're not saying "wrestling is a figment of your imagination" you [name-calling is bad]. We're saying there's about as much point to watching wrestling as there is to watching little boys playfight in the front yard. Except I'm pretty sure watching my two nephews tussle is less brain damaging.
Listen, wrestling fans: We REALIZE they're actually jumping around and stuff. We're not accusing all wrestlers of being robots, or holograms. We mean the FIGHT IS FAKE. We realize it might hurt to do some of those moves. Those FAKE moves.

Then using this logic why match movies? We KNOW they are fake so there's no point right? Guess what? The story is fake, just like wrestling. The acting is, well fake just like in wrestling. And the fights in a movie? You guessed it, FAKE! JUST LIKE IS WRESTLING! Get off your high horse pal. It's entertainment! If you don't like it, then don't watch it. But don't look down your nose at those of us who do enjoy watching it because you're no better or smarter than we are.

>> ^budzos:

"For those who say that wrestling is fake."
But, wrestling IS fake. Why does every wrestling fan argue a straw man against this point? We're not saying "wrestling is a figment of your imagination" you [name-calling is bad]. We're saying there's about as much point to watching wrestling as there is to watching little boys playfight in the front yard. Except I'm pretty sure watching my two nephews tussle is less brain damaging.
Listen, wrestling fans: We REALIZE they're actually jumping around and stuff. We're not accusing all wrestlers of being robots, or holograms. We mean the FIGHT IS FAKE. We realize it might hurt to do some of those moves. Those FAKE moves.


No you see what most wrestling fans are arguing is the use of the term "Fake". It is incorrect, a more correct term would be "Scripted" because that's exactly what it is. Wrestlers have the injury reports to prove it, it's simply like ballet or a play with fighting in it. I mean you don't look at Shakespeare or Cirque du Soleil and say "FAKE!!!" because it's not...they're actually hitting themselves. Only occasionally do they miss...and then it's a gif and everyone says "FAKE!" when that's not correct...it would be like saying when a boxer misses he's faking it.

>> ^budzos:

"For those who say that wrestling is fake."
But, wrestling IS fake. Why does every wrestling fan argue a straw man against this point? We're not saying "wrestling is a figment of your imagination" you [name-calling is bad]. We're saying there's about as much point to watching wrestling as there is to watching little boys playfight in the front yard. Except I'm pretty sure watching my two nephews tussle is less brain damaging.
Listen, wrestling fans: We REALIZE they're actually jumping around and stuff. We're not accusing all wrestlers of being robots, or holograms. We mean the FIGHT IS FAKE. We realize it might hurt to do some of those moves. Those FAKE moves.


Then using this logic why match movies? We KNOW they are fake so there's no point right? Guess what? The story is fake, just like wrestling. The acting is, well fake just like in wrestling. And the fights in a movie? You guessed it, FAKE! JUST LIKE IS WRESTLING! Get off your high horse pal. It's entertainment! If you don't like it, then don't watch it. But don't look down your nose at those of us who do enjoy watching it because you're no better or smarter than we are.

"For those who say that wrestling is fake."

But, wrestling IS fake. Why does every wrestling fan argue a straw man against this point? We're not saying "wrestling is a figment of your imagination" you [name-calling is bad]. We're saying there's about as much point to watching wrestling as there is to watching little boys playfight in the front yard. Except I'm pretty sure watching my two nephews tussle is less brain damaging.

Listen, wrestling fans: We REALIZE they're actually jumping around and stuff. We're not accusing all wrestlers of being robots, or holograms. We mean the FIGHT IS FAKE. We realize it might hurt to do some of those moves. Those FAKE moves.

http://www.videosift.com/video/Kitten-vs-Puppy-playfight-extreme-cuteness

I've never met anyone who thought it was 100% real who wasn't retarded. That's what bugs me so much about people who object when I say "wrestling is fake." They know it's fake just as well as I do. They should also know I'm not saying it's a goddamn illusion or that it doesn't exist or that there isn't athletic ability and some pain involved. All that is real but it's still fake as fuck and about as interesting as watching my nephews playfight (with bonus added homoeroticism).

such a simple way to fix this sort of thing.. ban the owner from having a dog.. this jerk off owner is the reason why people like me with well behaved dogs end up getting them bitten or yelled at on the street/park/beach because the timid idiot owner has MADE their dog nervous or aggressive by the owner either being that way, or just poor handling

my dog is a big chocolate labrador, very muscly, very strong, and he hasn't been done so from time to time in his life he's toughed up to me to see who's boss.. growling at me, or getting a bit too serious in a playfight..

so when he does that, i grab him roughly (and avoid the nips he makes at me, he'd never bite me intentionally), get him in a hugging style headlock and show him by not letting him move and holding him down that i'm in charge

but of course, i know when i do this he won't actually bite me.. but that's because i've always let him know who's top dog! if i'd let him win a few times, or shown him my fear when he tough'd up to me, maybe he WOULD try to bite me, and that'd be my fault and my responsibility to fix

Somehow I found this particular one boring. They gotta be burping/snoring/playfighting and whatnot to be cute.

Walking around doesn't do it for me.

I used to do this playfight with my crayfish.

I love cats, but I think I'd be a bit scared of that one. My own cats are more than capable of slashing some serious grooves even when they're playfighting; I can only imagine what a serval could do if it caught you looking at its tuna the wrong way.