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Massive GT4 European Series crash at Red Bull Ring

newtboy says...

First, about the leaving room part. In most car racing, you don't have to 'leave room', as long as you don't touch. Cutting off another driver's line is part of racing, you don't just LET other cars pass you, normally. Turning into a car's rear axle, that's NEVER OK in racing (except demolition racing).

Secondly, and more to the point, there WAS room. Not much, but definitely enough. If you look really close, at 21-22 seconds is when the contact happens, and the yellow car is at least 1 foot away from the white line, and no where near the 'run out' (red and white striped 'curb') for the corner. He intentionally turns into the rear of the white car, hitting it instead of just keeping it straight and coming in behind. I don't think he even would have used the run out had he just kept it straight, and certainly wouldn't have been off the track. His other option would be to let off the gas, then move right once the car in front is clear, but then he'd be in second. I think he expected the white car to crash, but not take him with it. He certainly should have known what would happen when he turned into the other car at that speed coming out of a turn, and that it would be terrible.

The car behind has the greater duty to avoid an accident on the track. At least, that's how it was when I did off road racing.

Side note...at :46, I'm pretty sure some poo came out of the guy with the blue flag.

AeroMechanical said:

I'd actually call that the other way. It was the driver of the inside car's responsibility to leave room for the car on the outside. Really, it's probably what you'd call a 'racing incident' and nobody's fault.

Mountain biking with no chain

newtboy says...

In off road racing (which I used to do), equipment failure was really usually more of an issue than driving speed. Something broke in almost every desert race I ran, it's not letting that stop you that the sport was all about, even more so when you are a lone wolf racing team (one man driver/owner/mechanic-no pit crew). I have to think the same goes in mountain biking.

Asmo said:

Where do you stop? Tyre goes flat half way down, re-run. Front fork breaks, re-run. Brake breaks, re-run.

Same with most race type disciplines (eg. rally cars), equipment failure is just part of the sport and everyone has to deal with it.

Gator vs Truck

Payback says...

Are we sure that's a truck? Looks an awful lot like one of those off road golf carts, I believe the John Deere one is called a "Gator".

**edit, nm, googled "4x4 XE" (fender badge) and it's a Nissan so it's not a Gator. Not a truck either, but not a Gator.

Red Neck trucker says NO to this blonde trying to merge...

newtboy says...

I put "safe" in quotation marks, indicating it was safe to the extent that there was room, with a car length behind and ahead, not actually safe. That is how most people drive in town, or with less room, and would have been safe if the truck had not sped up to try to block her.
You have no idea what kind of driver I am, that's not me in the car. I would not have tried to pass, and if I did you better believe it would have been faster and more complete than the driver here. I have consistently said she was unsafe to do what she did. You can drop the ad hom for me too, I've been driving for over 28 years including 5 years of delivery service, with one accident due to black ice (no one else involved) and I did off road racing for years as well. I'm almost a professional driver, how about you?
Not having a cell phone law making it illegal, and it being the reason you lose a civil suit have little to do with each other. It's proven that it's unsafe to do, no matter what your state law is on the subject.
Once again, she was unsafe, as was the trucker. The trucker intentionally made it more unsafe and caused an accident he could and should have easily avoided. No matter what else you argue, that makes it 100% his fault in my state.

jmd said:

#1 that is NOT a safe distance... bringing me back to my point, you probably don't realize how bad of a driver you are. That is NOT a safe distance AND they are passing on the right... that is TWO wrongs.

#2 many states don't have a cell phone law for driving. Including mine. Although that did not stop me from honking the ever living shit out of a driver I saw who had a black berry mounted on his windshield and was trying to type on it while driving.

Mad Max: Fury Road (Trailer #2)

newtboy says...

Can't I do both?
I'm promoting another Mad Max, because I love the series (and will probably tolerate a bastardized version over nothing).
I also love/promote the 'cars that ate Paris' reference with the spiked cars.
I think it sucks that it's pg-13, not Gibson (not that it could be, but it still sucks), and so over the top and stylized.
With all it's likely drawbacks, and the raping of my friend, I still love any crazy vehicle off road chase enough to forgive almost anything else.
I know, it's conflicting. What do you want from a newt? ;-)

speechless said:

Wait, are you promoting it or you think it sucks? lol

Playing chicken car vs tank

newtboy jokingly says...

In Russia, cars push tanks off roads!

This reminds me of the game "kill the kid" I used to play with my dad....he would drive at me at about 20mph, I would jump on the hood and roll around, he would hit the brakes and roll me off, then he would drive off fast and go home. We always were amused that none of the neighbors EVER called the cops or an amberlamps, even though we were certain they saw us repeatedly!

Redneck Groom Fails His Wedding Entrance

newtboy says...

Not at all. Just watch any monster truck freestyle competition and you'll see clearly that even with the best equipment and engineers, they break nearly every time...except for the trucks that score less than 10 out of 30 points. If you aren't breaking some stuff, you aren't flying high enough or hitting that wall of cars hard enough. Simple as that. True enough, they often leave the big jump(s) for right at the end of their time, or even after time's up, knowing it may end with them driving a tricycle or worse....and then again, sometimes that doesn't slow them down much. It all depends on the truck's design and the driver.
When I did off road racing, I always put the sentiment another way. "If you aren't bleeding, you aren't really trying." I had my rear tire/wheel pass me numerous times after a hard jump. It just happens. Even chromemoly is only a little stronger than regular steel, and stub axles only come so big. It's one of those things where you just have to make the weak point an easy fix, because there's always going to be a weak point.

...but if you were talking about his 4x4 truck, not monster trucks....never mind! :-)

Stormsinger said:

And if your truck breaks every time you drive it, you're a piss-poor engineer. Get some training, and learn how to properly design your equipment. You'll get more out of it for less money.

Redneck Groom Fails His Wedding Entrance

ChaosEngine says...

Driving off road in a 4wd != monster trucking

If you drive a 4wd in the wilderness like a monster truck... well, you're probably gonna die.

And if you're driving a monster truck in a safe and sensible way that doesn't damage the track you're on.... you're doing it wrong

Retroboy said:

I happen to have a time share camp in the deep deep Canadian woods. When I look at an accusation of being a pussy against the reality of my post-fishing-season SUV repair bills, I'd clearly and kindly take the former with a big fat economical smile.

Cool racing action (formula vee @ bathurst)

newtboy says...

Yeah, when the car weighs nothing, it doesn't take much power to go fast! It's all about power to weight ratio. These cars come close to the power to weight ratio of Nascar cars weighing 3500lbs with 750hp, these weigh 1025 and use 1.6liter water cooled VW motors, making it possible that they have a better power to weight ratio than Nascar, and they definitely handle better.
My off road race buggy had a weight requirement to be at least 1500lbs, I had to add lead weights. Even at that, a 1776 VW race motor almost had it do wheelies! The light weight makes for better handling too, but it also means once you lose traction, it's unlikely you'll get it back. In off road, it also means higher jumps and softer landings.

SwimWithSharks said:

when somebody talks about formula vee being basically a vw beetle engine on ancient suspensions and not much else you wouldn't think it'd look this thrilling: I'd never heard of this before driving this type of car in a videogame and found this video while looking for driving tips

Through the mud with a woman

newtboy says...

Notice the interior is all metal, I would bet it's designed to just hose out.
EDIT: that's how off road race cars are designed, and they had a fire hose at short track races to remove mud between heats.
It's always good when your passenger needs to ride the hood for traction, and the driver needs to remove the seatbelt to breathe!
I'll give you my first....
*quality

Stupid spectator is almost run over while rally

newtboy says...

What the hell? Since when do people not stand right on the roadway? That's the first rally I've seen where they even tried to keep people off the road. Is this a new thing?
In off road racing we had to consider those people 'bushes with clothes on'. If you think of them as people lining the track, there's no way you can go full speed with confidence. I hated that.

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Isle of Man TT 2014 ~ Greatest Show on Earth Street Race

newtboy says...

I often feel the same way about off road racing, especially since so many spectators like to stand ON the course (just like they do in the Man TTs). The same goes for rally racing. I just can't understand how it's still allowed in today's 'safety conscious' world, but I'm sure glad it is.

ChaosEngine said:

The TT. Is a completely mental but awesome race. It would never, never be allowed if they proposed it today.

"Hey we want to have a race at nearly 200mph through narrow roads in a town with no safety barriers, cool?"

"Are you kidding?"

"Oh, we were also hoping to let the general public ride the course as fast as they like after the race too*. I suppose that's out of the question"

"Get out of my fucking office"

*this actually happens!

best of formula off road 2013

newtboy says...

You probably have no idea how bad it really is...when I raced in off road desert races we had to think of spectators as cacti with T-shirts, or we would have been crawling at times. It made me SOOOO nervous that I might wreck into a crowd. Fortunately I always wrecked safely with only me getting hurt!

F1 Pit Stop Perfection



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