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If Meat Eaters Acted Like Vegans

Mordhaus says...

The simple point is that you are not superior. You have made a lifestyle choice because you wanted to. You have no solid scientific evidence that food animals are fully sentient. Both dogs and pigs routinely fail self-awareness tests, they may be intelligent and able to learn, but they ARE NOT PEOPLE. Vegans want us to believe that eating a pig is tantamount to eating a 3 year old baby, and simply isn't. You are certainly welcome to your opinion on the subject, but that is all.

Now to address your issue with how people treat vegans. I know that I have never went out of my way to lambaste a vegan for choosing to be vegan. I will, and have, severely castigate vegans who start telling me that they are superior to other people because they choose to not eat meat. How can you not see that having the attitude that you are better than someone else because of your choices is not the same manner of thinking that leads to church people condemning people for not following their ethos?

So, let me ask you, how many people have given you shit for being vegan out of the blue? For instance, you were minding your own business and eating a salad, then a person jumped in your face and said "How dare you eat that salad next to me?" I'm willing to bet you might have gotten some gentle ribbing if you went to a friend's barbecue and asked for a vegan option, but I doubt anyone got in your face about it. On the other hand, I have absolutely had more than one vegan get in my face and tell me that I am a murderer and a beast because I ate a hamburger at a desk across from them or sat down at a table with some brisket without making sure it wasn't a 'meat-free' zone.

The sheer chutzpah that most vegans have towards non-vegans is what makes them a target for ridicule. I get it, you think you are better than us, but we wouldn't care if you didn't feel the need to trot it out every five seconds.

transmorpher said:

I'd eat you and your baby in a heart beat if it meant survival for me. But the fact is almost nobody on this planet is currently in that situation, probably never will, and the more people that become vegan, the less likely that is to happen as well.

So yes, people that have made a conscious decision to not do cruel things while they are unnecessary are superior. Just like in the way you don't go around murdering people for shoes right now, even though in the apocalypse you would, makes you a superior person compared with some thug that does that now. You would probably steal food from people that need it, but you aren't doing that now, so you're definitely superior to people that do steal unnecessarily now too. But you don't see anyone telling people who don't steal to get off their high horses.....

There is no humor because the situation is so serious, not because it's puncturing a balloon of superiority. Or do you think that people who opposed concentration camps where simply doing so to feel superior too?
The other thing that makes it totally not funny is because I've heard this ignorant and false stereotype stuff so many times it makes my eyes roll. Vegans are as a diverse group of people as can possibly be, with the only thing in common is their compassion for animals, and care of the environment.

I'm also not a lion or a chimp, I don't copy their other behaviors like throwing poo or licking my own ass, so I don't see why I'd copy their carnivorous behavior either. It's a good thing I have a frontal lobe and can use reason to make decisions based on my understanding of the consequences.

Also while I would eat meat for survival, I would not be eating it for the taste. It sounds to me like you're under the impression that vegans are like ex-heroin addicts, always being tempted by that next hit. It's not like that all, taste buds adjust dramatically over time, in fact they adjust second to second - eat an apple after a swig of soft drink. It'll taste sour. Yet do it before, and the apple is sweet. I honestly find the thought of meat revolting now, just like you would if you had to eat something like a dog or rat. I feel the same way about milk the way you do about drinking human breast milk. I'm not just saying this to be dramatic or superior, I'm saying it to give you an example how easily your taste buds are influenced.

You have no right to remain silent in Henrico County.

Mordhaus says...

So I guess people like Rosa Parks were also tools? Perhaps Alice Paul was a tool for standing up for the rights of women to vote? I suppose Mahatma Gandhi was a tool for resisting British oppression and rule?

This is what you cannot seem to grasp, although I will try in the most basic method to explain it to you. Rights = GOOD, Oppression = BAD. Now, what does this mean? It means you have rights that are expected to be yours in a civilized society.

For instance, lets say you were Hispanic and in Arizona. Due to the fact that the Supreme Court allowed portions of SB1070, the 'paper's, please' law to remain in effect, you can be forced as a Hispanic to provide clear proof that you are a citizen in any situation as long as the officer has a reason to suspect that you might be an illegal immigrant.

The reasonable suspicion is entirely at the discretion of the officer, an individual who is not in any way psychic or specifically trained to spot 'illegal immigrants'. So let's say you are wearing a shirt that says Viva La Raza, just a saying that means you are proud of your race. If I was an officer, I could claim that you wearing a shirt with Spanish on it and being Hispanic could mean that you are illegally here. Ludicrous, I know, but I could claim it and get away with it the way the law is worded. I could stop you in the middle of the sidewalk, force you to submit to an ID request, and question you at the bare minimum. I could say a bulge in your pocket looked like drug paraphernalia and that you smelled of drugs, leading to a body search.

Now let me ask you, even if you were perfectly innocent, had no drugs, were not illegal, and were minding your own business, would this not piss you off? Assuming it didn't that one time, would you get pissed off when it happened over and over?

Look, I'm Caucasian and a male, and even I know that stuff like this is horseshit. At a certain point, if you don't stand up or support the ones who do, then when they come for you there won't be anyone left to help.

If you can't get the point and still feel the way you say, I feel sorry for you. Thankfully others do and even though you think they are tools, they will take the fall so you can continue to live your delusions.

Daldain said:

There is no argument, the guy filming is a tool. There is no hero or public service announcement anywhere to be seen.

Songhoy Blues - Al Hassidi Terei

Fifty-Centaur says...

It's Gao...not Goa. They may have been living there at the time but they are definitely singing in a Timbuktu dialect which I'm guessing is where they, or at least the singer, is from.

Al Hassidi Terrei is loosely translated 'Extremist People'

The songs lyrics are a bit difficult to take apart beause the music garbles them a bit and they are a mixture of basic West African French and the Songhai Timbuktu Dialect which I'm less familiar with then Gao dialect.

In short though "Al Hassidi Terrei mind your own business, ...then something about the meeting of life, love and wives (or generally women)....and then we're not tired (or poor/beaten down).

and repeat...

10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman

SquidCap says...

You start by introducing yourself, probably with the words "excuse me miss" first. if you think that the best way to meet new people is to straight up going for "daammmmmn", you have a lot of courtesy to learn.

Of course this all looks incredibly invasive to me. I'm from Finland, from Ostrobothnia. We do not talk to strangers and even less in this part of country. You can have 60 people in the same room with no one is talking to each other. It is considered rude, why would i talk to a stranger that i have never met and i'm never gonna meet again, i have nothing to say except empty small talk that is actually just a nervous tick, not actual communication... Just shut up, sit straight and mind your own business.

scheherazade said:

So, as a practical matter... how do you approach a stranger on the street when you're interested in them?
Or is it simply that people 'out and about' are categorically off limits to approach?

I get that this looks bad - when you condense a day's worth of calls into a few minutes. But she prolly passed 100k people in that day just walking around.

(There were 3k kids in my high school, it didn't look like a lot when you see them all together at a rally. It isn't hard to imagine walking past 30 high schools worth of people on busy streets like NY has in a 1 day period).

All this video makes me think is that Indian women are onto something with that forehead dot business. Marking yourself as available/unavailable would not only spare yourself the pointless calling, but would also not waste the men's time on approaching women that have no interest in being approached.

-scheherazade

Protecting and Serving in Minnesota

lucky760 says...

I am fucking irate watching this. For fuck's sake...

"You're going to jail."
"Why am I going to jail? What did I do?"
"You didn't talk to me, so you're going to jail."

Seriously?

Now you can go to jail for sitting somewhere by yourself minding your own business. That's unbelievable and just disgusting.

Yes, it might have gone a different way if he'd "complied more" with the nazis, but he didn't have to and they shouldn't have required more of him when he was not accused of doing anything.

Reverse Racism, Explained

9547bis says...

Yes, I am not entirely convinced by the term "reverse racism" either, but that's the one he used so I opted to let it stand.

Nonetheless, it's interesting how people can remain stuck on the label and miss the bigger point.
Yes "racism is racism", but that's not what he is talking about. Let's use a simple example: you're a white guy out in the street (of a western country, that is), minding your own business, when suddenly you are insulted by a black guy out of nowhere. He hates white folks. That guy is an evil racist, you got that right. He even snatches your wallet. You've been mugged by a racist. It sucks. It's an event in your life, but tomorrow will be another day.
Now let's compare that to being a black/colored/minority person: The police can stop, frisk, and detain you. Any day. You may be refused service at some restaurant. Any day. You may not be let in a club. Any day. You may not get that job. You may not get that apartment. If where you live really sucks, you may be in for a mugging or lynching on a seasonal basis. It won't happen all the time of course, but it will happen again and again, with a frequency and severity you will never be able to predict, and when it happens you will have no recourse. It's not 'an event', it defines you life. You expect it around every street corner.

So you and I can encounter a racist, but someone from a minority does experience racism (in other words, they've encountered so many racists in their life they've stopped counting: they talk about 'racism', not 'racists'). These are completely different things. There is simply no way you can actually live that level of oppression if you are not part of a minority.

And this is what he meant. He's not saying that there are no non-white racists, or no racists aiming at whites. He is saying there's no way you can experience actual real-scale racism, as it happens in society, if you yourself are part of the ethnic majority. Quite the difference.

TL;DR: racist != racism

aaronfr said:

well, technically, that would just be racism, but point taken.

One Way To Deal With A DUI Checkpoint (Refusal)

scheherazade says...

IMO, arrest bad drivers on their merits - i.e. if they drive bad, arrest them.
I don't care if you're sober, it's no excuse.
I don't care if you're drunk, it's not my business.

Cell phone or alcohol are not a magic litmus test.
Just because you have/consume them, does not make you automagically unfit.
Just because you don't have/consume them, does not make you automagically fit.

Too many terrible and dangerous drivers shielded by their lack of alcohol and lack of cell phone use.

People have lost touch with what matters : Is the person operating their vehicle in a dangerous manner.



As for the guy in the video, he has a 4th and 5th amendment.
The constitution is the highest law in the country, superseding any and all lower laws.
By "law", he's under no obligation to talk to "law enforcement".
It's not rude to 'mind your own business'.

-scheherazade

Why I changed my mind On The Martin killing (Controversy Talk Post)

longde says...

You're strolling in the rain, minding your own business, chatting with your significant other on the phone.

Out of nowhere, a large stranger with a gun approaches you. Do you "stand your ground"?

If he tried to arrest and detain you, would you let him?

If you would act passively in this situation, I guess I see why you think the unarmed child is in the wrong. I hope you don't have kids, though.

Car disintegrates.

Ryjkyj says...

I was almost in an accident like this once. My girlfriend and I were driving through California near Modesto on a two-lane, 50 mph back-road in the dark. Our right front tire went over the line into what looked like more pavement but was actually soft, dry, desert dirt. We just barely kissed the line but it was enough to send us off the road towards a tree, my girlfriend over-corrected and brought us back on the road and into the oncoming lane. We passed through the space between two cars, went off the other side of the road, over-corrected again (because we were really just fishtailing at that point), drove back through oncoming traffic, sideways, and stopped in our original lane facing the wrong way.

I always think of that when I see car accident videos. That and the fact that we were driving an early Hyundai Accent, the kind that would've vaporized had we actually hit anything. For a few seconds there, floating in the space between two cars, my whole existence was entirely dependent on luck, or fate if you wish. It felt very weird, and a damn-sight unfair.

It's really easy to say that this guy was driving irresponsibly, or to say that one needs to respect semis, but it looks like he was going with the flow of traffic, maybe just a little faster. Those moments like this happen before you even know what's going on. Your tire brushing that little pile of melting snow can start a series of events that you have no control over. And driving slower than the rest of traffic can be just as dangerous, especially in the snow.

But I'm not trying to be preachy. The thing that really amazes me is that when people see these videos, we always tend to think of ourselves as being in the place of the driver who fucked-up. We could just as easily, however, be the other guy. Happens every day, all over the world. You're driving safely in your own lane, minding your own business, and all-of-a-sudden you're pink pate' getting spread nicely over a crispy metal cracker. Nothing you could've done. Driving is dangerous.

Felicia Day from "The Guild" gets asked about her "carpet"

looris says...

Too easy to put the "sexist" stamp on anything you don't understand. Looks like you're too simple minded, poor fella.

>> ^bareboards2:

Grasshopper can be a mental age.
It is my business when men are clueless about their sexist crap.

>> ^looris:
>> ^bareboards2:
Um, no, it isn't an awkward way to ask, it is rude inappropriate and as rychan says creepy and douchey.
Listen and learn from your elders, grasshopper.

>> ^looris:
>> ^rychan:
Upvote for Felicia day, but that's a real creepy, douchey thing to ask.

Well, no: tecnically, that's just asking if she's a natural red. In an awkward way, fine.


Bullshit. Mind your own business, and try to use your brain before "grasshopper"ing someone and "elder"ing yourself.


Felicia Day from "The Guild" gets asked about her "carpet"

bareboards2 says...

Grasshopper can be a mental age.

It is my business when men are clueless about their sexist crap.


>> ^looris:

>> ^bareboards2:
Um, no, it isn't an awkward way to ask, it is rude inappropriate and as rychan says creepy and douchey.
Listen and learn from your elders, grasshopper.

>> ^looris:
>> ^rychan:
Upvote for Felicia day, but that's a real creepy, douchey thing to ask.

Well, no: tecnically, that's just asking if she's a natural red. In an awkward way, fine.


Bullshit. Mind your own business, and try to use your brain before "grasshopper"ing someone and "elder"ing yourself.

Felicia Day from "The Guild" gets asked about her "carpet"

looris says...

>> ^bareboards2:

Um, no, it isn't an awkward way to ask, it is rude inappropriate and as rychan says creepy and douchey.
Listen and learn from your elders, grasshopper.

>> ^looris:
>> ^rychan:
Upvote for Felicia day, but that's a real creepy, douchey thing to ask.

Well, no: tecnically, that's just asking if she's a natural red. In an awkward way, fine.



Bullshit. Mind your own business, and try to use your brain before "grasshopper"ing someone and "elder"ing yourself.

Anthony Weiner Resigns, While "Press" Heckles

Psychologic says...

He sent pics of himself to people... don't really care. It's a little harder to ignore the lying though.

He should have come out and said "yea, I sent it... it was intended to be private. Mind your own business, we have bigger problems here." Some people would be upset, but it would have cut off most of the drama that people seem to find so irresistible.

Dems want him gone because he's a distraction, not because they dislike him. There's a lot of things they'd rather focus on, but media in the US is more about ratings than news so Dems would rather just get rid of him and move on.

TEDxCopenhagen - Why We Shouldn't Bike with a Helmet

csnel3 says...

We should all wear helmets all the time. We should pass laws that if we do something that might cause ourselves harm we will pay fines to the government. We should have laws that keep us safe from everything.
If we start now and outlaw just a few things a year , pretty soon we will all be safe.
All joking aside... I really hate intrusive fucking pussies.

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS MRS. KRAVITZ.

CBC thoroughly deconstructs homeopathy

Matthu says...

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>> ^undefined:
Too bad alternative medicines have advanced to an article of faith. And too bad that people are so unwilling to admit that they may be wrong.
To the mother who said "To each their own": If you ruin your own life, I don't have a problem with that. As soon as you endanger anyone else, I do have a problem. If your kid infects my kid or anyone in my family with an infectious (and potentially deadly) disease you're at the very least guilty of gross negligence in my book, if not worse.

If you have all the vaccines and shoot your kids with all the vaccines, why should it bother you if I dont shoot my kid up?
And also, mind your own business!
If your little retard walks out in front of my kids car and she has to swerve and hits a tree, that would be awful! and I will be upset! Therefore you shouldnt let your little retards out! better yet you shouldnt be allowed to have little retards. Its better if you just go and cut yer dick off, ya busybody.
I'm gonna have another drink.


You're a bad, ignorant person.

Also, your children do not belong to you. They are not objects with which you may do as you see fit.

People like you are why we need a patriarchal government.

I truly hope you die a painful death, cunt.



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