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Why Christians Can Not Honestly Believe in Evolution

shinyblurry says...

My characterization of the theories of abiogenesis and macro evolution as based on weak, circumsantial evidence, thus regulating them to the realm of metaphysics is entirely accurate and a proper usage of those terms. Posting a couple of videos which you feel substantiates both theories, even if they did substantiate them, does not prove I used the terms incorrectly. At best it would mean I was mistaken about the sufficiency of the evidence. In any case, clearly you feel I am mistaken, so rather than rebut other peoples videos, I am interested to hear what you personally feel substantiates those theories.


>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
So.. these statements show you have no comprehension of the words you strung together.
"Investigating" articles published on "Christian Science" Monitor or reviewing Kurt Cameron's Banana Atheist Nightmare video does not count as research.
>> ^shinyblurry:
However, what spurred me to change my mind.. ..was simply investigating what the evidence for macro evolution actually was. I was profoundly shocked to find that it was based on nothing more than weak, circumstantial evidence,

A "weak" inductive argument is one which has little evidence to support its claim.
Hence, the more evidence.. the stronger the argument. I'll let AronRa take over from here
>> ^shinyblurry:
and like abiogenesis, it dwelled solely in the realm of metaphysics..

Again, your ignorance is showing man.
The term "Metaphysics" is the study of existence and relies on Ontology, the study of entities that exist or don't exist.
Not only is abiogenesis possible.. there's more evidence to prove the existence of abiogenesis than there is to prove Adam Eve or Yahweh exist(ed).
That is to say. Yahweh & Adam are purely metaphysical. Abiogenesis is not.

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Why Christians Can Not Honestly Believe in Evolution

GenjiKilpatrick says...

So.. these statements show you have no comprehension of the words you strung together.

"Investigating" articles published on "Christian Science" Monitor or reviewing Kurt Cameron's Banana Atheist Nightmare video does not count as research.
>> ^shinyblurry:

However, what spurred me to change my mind.. ..was simply investigating what the evidence for macro evolution actually was. I was profoundly shocked to find that it was based on nothing more than weak, circumstantial evidence,



A "weak" inductive argument is one which has little evidence to support its claim.

Hence, the more evidence.. the stronger the argument. I'll let AronRa take over from here:



>> ^shinyblurry:


and like abiogenesis, it dwelled solely in the realm of metaphysics..


Again, your ignorance is showing man.

The term "Metaphysics" is the study of existence and relies on Ontology, the study of entities that exist or don't exist.

Not only is abiogenesis possible.. there's more evidence to prove the existence of abiogenesis than there is to prove Adam Eve or Yahweh exist(ed).

That is to say. Yahweh & Adam are purely metaphysical. Abiogenesis is not.



Please don't used a vague knowledge of sciency terms to support your bullshit faith in an invisible skydaddy.

Thanks.

Kurt Sutter and Katey Sagal talk Sons of Anarchy Season 5

RhesusMonk says...

Well, it's all Hamlet, isn't it? What I mean is that it's all been done before, at least most of what's good has. What I love about SoA is its context. I think even Ol' Bill himself would've been intrigued by the export.

I agree that the seasons three and four were a lot of "shit or get off the pot" and none of the characters in a position to do either did so. BUT, I have faith in Sutter.

Your point about Gemma is interesting. I'll like seeing how her character (considering the actor is the writer/creator's wife) plays out.>> ^therealblankman:

SPOILER ALERT: It's Hamlet. Everybody must die in the end. Except probably for Gemma- she'll likely live to witness the complete destruction of her family.
Frankly the past couple of seasons have just pissed me off. Jax is such a pussy. He's all posturing and bluster with absolutely no decisiveness or action. You know, kind of like Hamlet.

What are you reading now? (Books Talk Post)

jonny says...

Twain is a great choice - definitely read A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. It's LOL funny. Some of my favorites among the American classics are Poe, Emerson, Washington Irving, Walt Whitman, Joseph Heller, Kurt Vonnegut, Gore Vidal (are those last two counted as classic yet?). Edgar Allen Poe is a must. I first read The Pit and the Pendulum in my 30s and it scared the shit out of me. He clearly had access to the best drugs available in the world at the time. Other top Poe choices - The Black Cat, The Cask of Amontillado, and The Tell-Tale Heart.
In reply to this comment by kymbos:
I'm reading Chuck Palahniuk's Fight Club, which is a pretty good page turner.

I'm interested in reading some classic American literature if anyone would recommend some for a guy who has never really read any of the classics (like Mark Twain, Hemmingway, Fitzgerald).

I'm green.

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TheSluiceGate says...

Hey even if we disagree, thanks for staying engaged to at least understand my point of view. +1 to that.

Happy sifting, and happy christmas - yes even as an atheist I will celebrate in my secular way

In reply to this comment by enoch:
that was an awesome response.
the kurt cobain reference clicked it for me.
i see what your saying and thank you so much for taking the time to clarify.

i focused on different facets of the video based on my own personal experience.so i was curious why/how someone would come to a different conclusion.because you took the time and were patient with me i now see how you view that video.

i am usually not that slow to pick up on things lol.
thank you my friend.

TheSluiceGate (Member Profile)

enoch says...

that was an awesome response.
the kurt cobain reference clicked it for me.
i see what your saying and thank you so much for taking the time to clarify.

i focused on different facets of the video based on my own personal experience.so i was curious why/how someone would come to a different conclusion.because you took the time and were patient with me i now see how you view that video.

i am usually not that slow to pick up on things lol.
thank you my friend.

I am Second - Brian 'Head' Welch

TheSluiceGate says...

Hey Enoch,
yeah we agree on some things but disagree on more.
To clarify, I'll take the central point as you have mentioned above:

"why would somebody find a video where a man admits,on VIDEO,how he almost killed himself due to his addictions and lost that which was most dear,and his consequent "recovery",be perceived as a bad thing?
and the only conclusion i could come up with was the "jesus" factor as being the bitter pill"

I don't understand why this is the "only conclusion" that you could come up with when I've already stated the contrary and given the central reason *twice*. I've also stated that I'm glad he kicked the habit by whatever means, including religious ones (no matter how misguided I feel these reasons to be) and that my criticism lies in the style and tone of the video production. To me it reminds me of a Maralyn Manson video that attempts to glorify the darkness in life and the attractiveness and worthiness of suffering. Allow me to try again.

The style and the tone of the video screams "listen to this worthy man for he is wise through the experiences he has gone through, and his words have more weight than yours".

To entirely take religion out of my point: I have the same problem with how public figures such as Kurt Cobain are deified after their suicide. That somehow through ending his life he gave his words more weight and his outlook more credos. That now he was a tortured glorious soul, that really knew the truth about life. So now rather than his death being a tragedy for himself, his child, and the mother of his child, it was re-contextualised into some form of glorious statement.

The same is true in the coverage of suicides in the media here in Europe. Always there is an air of romance in the notion of killing oneself due to some form of suffering. That's what I abhor, and that's what comes across in this video.

To re-state my very first comment:
"... I have a huge problem with the way he's portrayed in this video. It glamorizes the perceived value of having put his life in the toilet for years. Let's remember that this guy was an idiot who took drugs to the point of it ruining his life, and his daughters life - and still didn't quit after his wife died from the very drugs he was taking. These actions don't give him a ticket to sagedom. Among his tattoos he should have one that states - "I am capable of making the worst possible decisions and taking actions that could have led to my death, and made an orphan of my daughter"."

The religious aspect is an absolute sideshow.

Arnold Schwarzenegger's commentary of Total Recall is ace!

cosmovitelli says...

>> ^PHJF:
Paul Verhoeven on the other hand is a great commentator. The man really loves movies.
Also in the spirit of this, I popped Big Trouble In Little China in expecting the greatest commentary on the greatest movie of all time and was completely, utterly disappointed. Kurt Russel at one point is telling John Carpenter about how his son plays hockey.


I thought that was great! So random. 'I pulled the jackpot chain one more time!'

Arnold Schwarzenegger's commentary of Total Recall is ace!

PHJF says...

Paul Verhoeven on the other hand is a great commentator. The man really loves movies.

Also in the spirit of this, I popped Big Trouble In Little China in expecting the greatest commentary on the greatest movie of all time and was completely, utterly disappointed. Kurt Russel at one point is telling John Carpenter about how his son plays hockey.

Bill Maher and Craig Ferguson on Religion

GeeSussFreeK says...

@A10anis

Agnosticism is an epistemological position of the uncertainty of knowledge of things. In other words, the nature of knowledge about God, or knowledge in general really, as many above have pointed out (I'm taking it you did read the nice chart above!). Theism or Atheism is a position, either knowingly or unknowing rejecting or accepting the idea of God; one can be explicitly or implicitly atheist (like all children not exposed to the idea are implicitly atheist). Agnostic Atheist is the most common position, but few people have complete understanding of all the concepts involved, or have their own private understandings of what they mean; making any unilateral criticism troublesome. As to the foundations of science and Mathematics, Kurt Gödel had had a great role to play in the destruction of what most peoples concept of certain systems are. And the o so smart Karl Popper ideas on falsifiability has thrown the antique notion of certain truth from science against the wall, in which modern Philosophers of Science, like Hilary Putnam have found intractable to solve, except to say that very little separates, currently, the foundations of science form the foundations of any other dabble of the imagination. Einstein talked about this as well, that wonderment is really the pursuit of all great scientists...not certainty.

As to my original claim, that science has truths it can not rectify, I leave it to better minds to explain the problems of induction. David Hume, Nelson Goodman, and Kurt Gödel drastically changed any view of certain knowledge from science and maths that I had. The untenable nature of the empirical evaluation of reality is just as uncertain as Abrahamic codifications being real.

I close with this, some of the greatest minds in the history of science and philosophy had no problem, nay, drew power from the deep richness they gathered from their faith. It drove them to the limits of the thoughts of their day, René Descartes, Gottfried Leibniz, Blaise Pascal, Alan Turing (who kept some vestibules of faith even after what happened to him), Georg Cantor, and countless others all had some "irrational" faith was more than just a ideal system of commands by some dead people, it drove them to greatness, and in many cases to rejection and madness of their "rational" peers. Georg Cantor, the father of the REAL infinite, died in a mental institution only to have his ideas lite a fire in the minds of the next generation of mathematicians.

It is my believe that we all want to have issue with x number of people, and make peace with y number. We elevate the slightest difference, or conversely, ignore a great flaw to peg this mark just right for us. Perhaps my y is just bigger than your x, or most peoples x as I find this debate I have is a common one; for tolerance, peace, and consideration. If you still think what I am saying is non-sense, then I guess we have nothing more to say to one another. I hope I cleared up my thoughts a bit more, I am not very good at communicating things that are more than just the average amount of esoteric.



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