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>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

I never got why John McCain attached the indefinite detention clause onto this military budget bill, considering his personal experiences as a prisoner of war.


He's just a frightened old man, like most in government, trying to protect himself from imagined threats. Happens when you live in the echo chamber of "Doom. Doom. DOOM. WAR! NUKES! TERRORISTS! BOMBS! ECONOMY! BROWN PEOPLE!"

Isn't the typical campaign donation in this circumstance 20 pieces of silver? Adjusted for inflation, of course.
>> ^Xaielao:

John McCain heavily in favor of indefinite detention? How much are they paying you Mr. Senator, or rather.. how much are they 'donating' towards your next election.

John McCain heavily in favor of indefinite detention? How much are they paying you Mr. Senator, or rather.. how much are they 'donating' towards your next election.

Wow that surprises me as well didn't know he was one of the front runners on this Bill, now I'm questioning my previous vote for him when he ran for President.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

I never got why John McCain attached the indefinite detention clause onto this military budget bill, considering his personal experiences as a prisoner of war.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

I never got why John McCain attached the indefinite detention clause onto this military budget bill, considering his personal experiences as a prisoner of war.


Manchurian Candidate?

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

I never got why John McCain attached the indefinite detention clause onto this military budget bill, considering his personal experiences as a prisoner of war.


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I never got why John McCain attached the indefinite detention clause onto this military budget bill, considering his personal experiences as a prisoner of war.

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>> ^jonny:

jonny: Obama has shown his willingness to engage in war
NetRunner: How and when did he show this?

40000+ troops sent to Afghanistan despite campaign promises to do exactly the opposite. And for what? Do you honestly believe the long term security of either the US or Afghanistan was improved as a result?

I'm not particularly happy about him ramping up troop levels in Afghanistan, and I'm no optimist about Afghanistan in general, but I don't think it was some sort of obviously boneheaded or bloodthirsty decision, either.

Here's your original quote in full:

Obama has shown his willingness to engage in war, even when it should be clear that doing so will accomplish little in the long run either in terms of US security or the given country's or region's security and stability.

This in response to the question of "are we about to invade Iran?" with the clear implication being that you think Obama is prone to get America involved in pointless wars without any real consideration of either the short term or long term impact to the country.

The relevant Obama bumper-stickers on foreign policy from the 2008 campaign were "I'm not against all wars, just dumb wars," and "I argued for more resources and more troops to finish the fight against the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11, and made clear that we must take out Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants if we have them in our sights. You know, John McCain likes to say that he'll follow bin Laden to the Gates of Hell -- but he won't even go to the cave where he lives."

I think his record shows that he's held true to both of those, and overall has wielded American power quite judiciously these last 3.5 years. I'm a big pessimist on Afghanistan, but I can't really blame Obama for trying to do something to wind down our involvement there in a way that doesn't leave the situation in Afghanistan much worse for both the Afghans and us. I don't think that's possible, but I can't blame him for not sharing in my fatalism.

>> ^jonny:
Honestly, NetRunner, you've recently been demonstrating the kind of tribalism in politics that has so many people sick of the whole process. I understand it's an election year and there are a lot of things at stake (none bigger than the likely 2 SCOTUS nominations to replace Ginsberg and Breyer). But to mischaracterize my words in that way (especially when I made it pretty clear I had no preference for Romney even on this very limited issue) is exactly the kind of thing I would expect from a hack political operative. I think, no... I know you are better than that. It's not us and them. There is no them.


And here's where you've really gone off the rails. I'm some political hack engaging in mindless tribalism and mischaracterizing the words of others....because I asked you to provide examples of what Obama has specifically done to make you think he'd attack Iran without cause?

My comments after "All that said," were just my general take on the whole question of war with Iran. Even rereading it now, I find it hard to see how you got the impression I was accusing you of being a Romney supporter.

What little judgment I was passing on you was that I felt you were leveling baseless accusations against Obama, and all I was really doing was asking you to try to back it up with facts.

But years of arguing with blankfist should've taught me, asking people for evidence to support their argument is a dirty partisan trick only practiced by political hacks like me...

Sadly who ever wins, things will get worse in the next 2 years. The devaluation of the dollar is starting to come to roost. Gas prices will go higher and everything else with it. To make things worse next year massive tax savings will end and everyone will pay more in taxes.

Its a ticking time bomb only with Obama putting the final nails in the coffin.

The economy is not getting better. Don't listen to the TV look around. Every month another store or 2 around you shuts its doors.

WE borrow 4 Billion dollars a day and have done this for at least a decade.
Another way to put it that the government borrows 0.43 cents every dollar. How long can that go on? It can't go past 50 cents.


Ron Paul, like him or not is the only one willing to cut now and deep government spending. All others only desire to limit the growth rate a little. He is like the only chance America has as long as we vote out long standing career politicians like John McCain and Nancy Pelosi

Old people lose their minds, especially those with illness or drug addictions. Ever seen an interview with the older Marlon Brando? John McCain? Liz Taylor? Laurence Olivier? All were smart people at one time and in late life were near drooling idiots. The list is long.
Rush was a pretty sharp mind back in the day too, now he's senile and needs to get off the air and put in a home.

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Ed Harris is going to be a better John McCain than John McCain.

And I think I like Woody Harrelson with every movie he's in.