I have never heard him condemn the extremism on the other side, and I have read many of his tripes encouraging it.

As for the girl, all I have to go on is that exchange.


So you condemn Horowitz for failing to condemn Israel.

Are you then ready to condemn Hamas and Hezbollah?

Will you decry the girl in the video for her failure to do so as well?

>> ^NordlichReiter:

Fuck both sides, fuck the UN too.
We could go on and on about how the UN fucks everything up.
Liberia any one?


Amen to Liberia. The UN keeps doing it because it is little more than a committee of representatives from nations that could care less what happens as long as it doesn't affect their own self interest.

Will Horowitz condemn the leadership of Israel? That should have been her counter-question.

If anyone in the region is attempting "ethnic cleansing" it's the Israelis.

If the Israelis really wanted to "cleanse" Palestine it would all have been over decades ago and we'd be here talking about the horror and tragedy of it. Condemning Israel as a whole is NOT the same as condemning Hamas as a whole.

-Israel's stated reason for existence is NOT the elimination of all Mulsims, Arabs or Palestinians.
-Hamas' founding charter includes the extermination of all Jewish people from the entire region.

Specific excesses of the Israeli people, government and military absolutely are deserving of condemnation. The entirety of the state itself is a different matter, and failing to see that is the equivalent of failing to see the difference between the Palestinian people and Hamas.

The ignorant drawing of moral equivalence between Hamas and the government of Israel has it's origins firmly in the racism of Arab superiority.

Yes Hamas is wrong but so is their opposition. Honestly I find less to blame in persecuted peoples who promote hate speech in an attempt to fight their persecutors

And yet Hamas has managed to kill more Palestinians than Israelis through their war against Fatah. They are no more freedom fighters for persecuted Palestinians than the Nazi's were freedom fighters for persecuted Germans.

Will Horowitz condemn the leadership of Israel? That should have been her counter-question.

If anyone in the region is attempting "ethnic cleansing" it's the Israelis.

Yes Hamas is wrong but so is their opposition. Honestly I find less to blame in persecuted peoples who promote hate speech in an attempt to fight their persecutors than I find with persecutors who promote hate speech in an effort to villainize an entire population to the point where it's "overlooked" by world governments when they simply "relocate" those people they don't like away from prosperous land and into tenements.

Both sides of the argument can be wrong and in this case they are. Horowitz is a nasty piece of work and I have no sympathy for racist douchebags like him.

I am very familiar with Horowitz and his canon, and I am interpreting the above exchange in that context. I have never heard him condemn the extremism on the other side, and I have read many of his tripes encouraging it.

As for the girl, all I have to go on is that exchange.

>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^longde:
My answer: I condemn all sides of that clusterfuck. A thing that irks me about the video is not only the girl's extremism, it is Horowitz' false position of moral superiority.

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^longde:
The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

Ah, here they come.
How would you have answered the question, will you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah?
Cry all you want about how unfair it is that Hamas and Hezbollah have been demonized, the fact is that they deserve it. It is telling that your kind finds opposing the extermination of all Israelis as an unacceptably pro-Israeli sentiment. That is the distinction between racists like yourself and this girl, and your opposition.


False superiority? I'm not familiar with Horowitz, but in the video he doesn't seem to be in the business of defending the excesses of the Israeli military.
Standing against those that defend Hamas and Hezbollah, or who refuse to condemn them is the moral high ground, with nothing false about it. You need people to stand up for the cause of Palestinian and Jewish civilians in the region, and that means standing against those that have sworn their life's purpose as the extermination of either.

>> ^longde:

My answer: I condemn all sides of that clusterfuck. A thing that irks me about the video is not only the girl's extremism, it is Horowitz' false position of moral superiority.

>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^longde:
The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

Ah, here they come.
How would you have answered the question, will you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah?
Cry all you want about how unfair it is that Hamas and Hezbollah have been demonized, the fact is that they deserve it. It is telling that your kind finds opposing the extermination of all Israelis as an unacceptably pro-Israeli sentiment. That is the distinction between racists like yourself and this girl, and your opposition.



False superiority? I'm not familiar with Horowitz, but in the video he doesn't seem to be in the business of defending the excesses of the Israeli military.

Standing against those that defend Hamas and Hezbollah, or who refuse to condemn them is the moral high ground, with nothing false about it. You need people to stand up for the cause of Palestinian and Jewish civilians in the region, and that means standing against those that have sworn their life's purpose as the extermination of either.

My answer: I condemn all sides of that clusterfuck. A thing that irks me about the video is not only the girl's extremism, it is Horowitz' false position of moral superiority.


>> ^bcglorf:

>> ^longde:
The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

Ah, here they come.
How would you have answered the question, will you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah?
Cry all you want about how unfair it is that Hamas and Hezbollah have been demonized, the fact is that they deserve it. It is telling that your kind finds opposing the extermination of all Israelis as an unacceptably pro-Israeli sentiment. That is the distinction between racists like yourself and this girl, and your opposition.

I define her opposition as the people on the other side using extrremism and killing to achieve their ends. Perhaps I have defined it too broadly. I certainly don't think it encapsulates all Jews or Isrealis, but I do think it includes the Israeli government and military.>> ^escape421521:

This girl's 'opposition' isn't the Israeli Government, Military, or even Pro-Israeli groups. Her opposition is every single Jew currently living. She did not say "Israel shouldn't exist" (a debatable point.) "Israel should stop expansion," (a point which I agree with) or even "Israel should stop use of excessive military force." (Debatable.)
My issue with the girl (and your point) is that her argument isn't "Israel is wrong," but that "Judaism should not exist."
Jews and Muslims aren't the problem. Neither are those people who call themselves Israelis, Palestinians or anything else.
>> ^longde:
The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

I think you're putting words in my mouth. When did I talk about Jews or imply what this young woman said was right?

I am simply pointing out how much extremism that we, including Horowitz, are willing to ignore or rationalize.

>> ^escape421521:

You're oversimplifying. I'm an American born Jew, I don't support many of Israel's policies and will openly criticize them.. One does not have to support Israel to be a Jew in the same way one does not have to support Hamas and Hezbollah to be a Muslim.
Horowitz understands the distinction.
Her question and Horowitz's response were directly related to that idea. Your comment ignores it completely.
>> ^longde:
The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

I think she is extremist, no doubt. I just want to highlight how much extremism we are willing to tolerate.

And, I have said nothing about all Jews. I think you are reading alot into what I wrote.

>> ^ponceleon:

>> ^longde:
The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

Look, don't get me wrong, I am definitely not a fan of Israel, but two wrongs don't make a right. This "moderate" muslim just agreed that rounding up all jews for extermination is a good idea.
Not all jews support Israel or what they do in their poached territories (I sure as hell don't). That said, when someone just knee-jerk says that rounding me up because of what ethnic group I was born into is a good idea, they become an extremist in my eyes and aren't worth shit.

>> ^longde:

The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York


Ah, here they come.

How would you have answered the question, will you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah?

Cry all you want about how unfair it is that Hamas and Hezbollah have been demonized, the fact is that they deserve it. It is telling that your kind finds opposing the extermination of all Israelis as an unacceptably pro-Israeli sentiment. That is the distinction between racists like yourself and this girl, and your opposition.

This girl's 'opposition' isn't the Israeli Government, Military, or even Pro-Israeli groups. Her opposition is every single Jew currently living. She did not say "Israel shouldn't exist" (a debatable point.) "Israel should stop expansion," (a point which I agree with) or even "Israel should stop use of excessive military force." (Debatable.)


My issue with the girl (and your point) is that her argument isn't "Israel is wrong," but that "Judaism should not exist."
Jews and Muslims aren't the problem. Neither are those people who call themselves Israelis, Palestinians or anything else.

>> ^longde:

The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

You're oversimplifying. I'm an American born Jew, I don't support many of Israel's policies and will openly criticize them.. One does not have to support Israel to be a Jew in the same way one does not have to support Hamas and Hezbollah to be a Muslim.
Horowitz understands the distinction.


Her question and Horowitz's response were directly related to that idea. Your comment ignores it completely.

>> ^longde:

The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York

>> ^longde:

The only difference between this girl and her opposition is that her opposition can hold large public rallies freely espousing and rationalizing mass murder. With total impunity.
http://videosift.com/video/Max-Blumenthal-at-a-Pro-Israel-Rally-in-
New-York


Look, don't get me wrong, I am definitely not a fan of Israel, but two wrongs don't make a right. This "moderate" muslim just agreed that rounding up all jews for extermination is a good idea.

Not all jews support Israel or what they do in their poached territories (I sure as hell don't). That said, when someone just knee-jerk says that rounding me up because of what ethnic group I was born into is a good idea, they become an extremist in my eyes and aren't worth shit.

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:

heh, she sounded like an angsty nerd the second she began to speak.


Nailed it.