Yes! In reply to this comment by cybrbeast:
Damn 4.1! Due to the ugly generic avatar people without one are given, I had to take an avatar. Are you happy now!?

Damn 4.1! Due to the ugly generic avatar people without one are given, I had to take an avatar. Are you happy now!?

I'm not going to downvote you, you raise a point.

However, I do feel the need to ask a few things.
What possible reason other then either being a bible thumper or homophobe is there for objecting gay marriage?

I'm asking legitimately. Two people love each other, they want the same treatment as everybody else. Unless it's wrong in the eyes of the lord, or you don't like seeing a man holding another mans hand, I see no actual valid reason for it. They still pay to be wed, if they want children, they have to adopt..which means a child gets much better care then it ever would if it doesn't get adopted, and that way everybody's happy.

Now, Beck says he opposes Illegal immigration, big difference to just immigration. I can understand not wanting illegal immigrants, even though they too are just a group of people looking for a better life, but the ones who come over legally, apply for a visa or citizenship.. if they take a job away from an American, then they deserve the spot more then the American, they were more qualified.

I don't see the point of denying the holocost, when there are still survivors OF the holocost, and documents, eyewitness accounts, films, and still photographs proving that millions of Jewish people were encamped, and killed, during WWII. True, you can argue that you don't care about the jews, you just don't believe it happened.. but I don't understand the reasoning for it. Any hard look at the facts would prove that it happened, and unless you really did have some ulterior motive you'd change your views.

Of course you can oppose policies without being a racist, anybody claiming you ARE one is a loon. Obama is NOT the first ever president of the u.s.a. and as far as I know, for each and every president before him, there was at least one group of people that thought "Hey..we don't like you, or your policies, BOO!"

You can oppose the war on terror without hating the troops makes no sense to me. Most people who are against the war seem to be against it because they feel that American blood shouldn't be shed in a senseless war, and want to bring them HOME. I don't understand your point there at all.

Abortion, I agree with you on. My mother is adopted, and while I'm still pro-choice, she is against abortions. If whoever gave birth to her decided on having an abortion instead, she would never have been here.

Look, I'll stop picking apart your post now, because I know the point was actually to promote having an open mind, but your examples given are slightly..flawed. By all means, if you have means to correct me, do so, I will gladly look at all the evidence given to me. But honestly..
some things, some pre-concieved notions, they're honestly true.

>> ^xxovercastxx:
I hate to say it but, despite the hypocrisy, Beck has a point.
I know I'll be downvoted into oblivion for saying this, because I've been through it before, but maybe one or two of you will hear the message and understand it.
You can oppose immigration without being a racist.
You can oppose Obama or his policies without being a racist.
You can deny the Holocaust without being an anti-semite.
You can oppose gay marriage without being a homophobe.
You can oppose the US Government without being a terrorist.
You can oppose the War on Terror without hating our troops.
You can oppose hydrogen powered vehicles without supporting big oil.
You can oppose abortion without being a Bible-thumping misogynist.
You can oppose war without being an appeaser.
Do many people oppose gay marriage because of their hatred of gays? Certainly. Do many people oppose Obama because of racism? Clearly. Are some who deny the Holocaust anti-semites? Probably.
But some people are just mislead and some people are just nuts. Some even ( gasp ) have different and legitimate opinions. We've gotten to this place where any level of disagreement warrants the most extreme vocabulary that can be conjured and the liberals are just as guilty as the conservatives.
You want to know why there's no progress in government? It's because of radical preconceived notions. Anything the left proposes is Nazism, Fascism, Marxism or Socialism. They hate good Christian people and the country. Anything the right proposes is Nazism, Fascism or Discrimination. Nobody even hears the other side because they've decided ahead of time what those people will say.
And the vast majority of you here on the sift are the same way. Open your eyes and ears. There are a lot of people with differing and/or opposing viewpoints to yours and not all of them are nutcases who want to destroy the country. You serve nobody's interests by shooting them down with extremist labels before they've even had the chance to make their case.

Since you invited me to, I decided to read this dreck.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
...weigh every possible angle, and carefully - cautiously deliberate...(1) ...zombie-libs. (2) On one side of the mouth they are demanding action now now now now now instantly without question and without debate of any kind. (3) The other issue they want to stonewall so as to avoid fallout from their kook anti-military partisan factions. (4) So - frankly - there's no reason to listen to Obama's request to grab a mop when he won't so much as pick up a toothbrush. (5)

1. Are you saying that careful planning and getting things done right the first time are bad ways of working out problems?
2. Didn't you say something to me about ad hominem and non sequitur? First, you're a hypocrite to expect no one to respond to your ad hominem with ad hominem, and second, the process of solving one problem does not necessarily logically follow from the process of solving a different problem, therefore your argument is non sequitur. Familiarize yourself with logic and the terms you are throwing around.
3. The issue has been debated since May or possibly sooner. How many months is enough for you? Most of our country has had enough debate. Look at the polls.
4. Do you have proof that Obama's process for addressing military issues is more political than deliberative, or are you just vomiting your impressed opinion?
5. Let them continue acting the way they do. If health care doesn't pass this year, it will pass in two years after Republicans lose even more seats in congress for acting like spoiled rotten infants.

Happy now? Go forth and waste our time.

Ahh, it would be so relaxing and meditative to just swim in the lake and don't care about anything else. Just enjoy the unspoiled beauty of our Earth. I'm really happy now that I own a small lake and some land far in the country side. Some day I will just go there and take a rest from the city troubles.

Excellent move! Drown their baby! That'll make them peaceful and happy!

Now, a bit more seriously, fakeroo?
One fake photo and another tiny decayed model = proof of aliens? Give me a break.
The man who discovered it, Jaime Maussan, sent DNA samples to various labs in Mexico and Canada and when they tell him the samples he sent were too decayed to be usable, he takes it as evidence that it's not Earthborn.
That's the exact same logic Creationists use to say that since living organisms are so complex they HAD to be created, and could not have evolved naturally.
Maybe that's not the best analogy, but my point is this: Not knowing something is NOT evidence...

Go to his website and see what you think - http://ovnis.tv/ . It's in spanish, but there are enough UFO and alien pictures on the front page to make a tabloid seem like a reliable source of news.
*conspiracy

Well my first post looks foolish since you all got so technical.

I know what HTML stands for! We just don't normally say it in polite company.

Hot Tex-Mex Lovin.

Happy now?

I connect through Delphi, Prodigy and AOL on an eleventy billion baud modem and back up to cassette daily.

That was so bad it gave me cancer. HAPPY NOW, GARY SINESE!??

Reagan was a(n) [pretty good] actor...~

happy now bt^ ^

Well, not so much of a joke anymore. I got called out by Lucky now, and my dupeof privs are revoked.

So now, after two PMs, 3 SiftTalk posts, and even having my name in the tags for a video, I am even further punished.


"there are you fucking happy now" (requested by kulpims)

>> ^volumptuous:
There, are you fucking happy now?

^we've got a winner. this line for ever and ever

"Dupeof privileges have been revoked for member volumptuous." - siftbot


There, are you fucking happy now?

>> ^rychan:
1) You're comparing Churchill's private conversations to a news conference by Obama.
2) Those quotes by Churchill are all unsourced. We don't know if they actually happened. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill


1) yawn
2) snore
3) you're taking it all too seriously.. if you want to experience churchill's genuine genius, read his quotes page on wikipedia and be amazed, don't come expecting them on a video posting website, all you'll get here is sarcasm and hopefully a few funny observations
4) i'll edit the comment for you if it's not up to your high standards.. happy now!?

You are justifying intolerance because you are sympathetic to it's message. It is a normal response. But in the end this vid (and others like it) berates people for how they think, talk, believe, and act while at the same time trying to say people should be able to think, talk, believe, and act as they wish. It tries to have its rhetorical cake and eat it too.

Reverse the situation. Now the video was about a pair of Atheist parents who told thier kid, "All shelves are good". The kid looks at thier shelves and says, "These are rickety, and won't hold up over time. Hey - wow - these Jesus-shelves are GREAT! Can I use them instead?" Atheist parents tell thier kid, "No, Jesus shelves are based on stories." But the kid says, "I like them and they make me happy." Now the camera pans out on the poor kid with a sad face and the parents with MEAN faces saying, "People that use Jesus shelves are self-deluded and hurt people. You can't have them."

You might say to yourself, "What an inaccurate and biased way to present Atheists!" <big knowing smile> Mmmmmmyeeeees! That's what I'm trying to tell you. If the only way to convey the message is to be stilted, biased, and unfair then what does it say about the messenger?

So while you didn't say that you have an issue with Atheists standing up for science you apparently do because that's what the vast majority of said videos are.

You thought wrong. Stand up for science all you want. No skin off my nose. Science is great. It makes cool stuff for my room.

This one is one of the few that is attacking the other problem with religious folk, that being their self righteousness and hatred of those who don't believe as they do.

It is rather unfortunate that it's central message was undermined by the fact that the author is doing the exact same thing - just the other way around. As I said before, if that was the only message he wanted to convey then he should have just used the last 30 seconds of the vid. Everything else is a biased bloviation no better than an O'Rielly rant.

then while you may have chosen to believe that things are way X, damn well let others chose to believe that things are way Y.

I do. Believe how, where, or what you may. I really don't see how any theist is preventing you from 'damn well believing' anything you want unless you live in Iran or something.

Countries and laws and how we treat each other should be based on mutual respect, common understanding, caring for all and embracing differences. If religion could keep its hands off such things, then no-one would have an issue with it.

Human morality and the resulting secular laws based on those moralities are based are deeply rooted in religious belief. You wish to wave a wand and change that, but it is how it is. What people perceive as right and wrong structures how they govern behavior, and how they reward or punish it. Unless your intent is to ban religion entirely, you are just going to have to accept the reality that Theists (the bulk of the planet's population) are going to hold positions of power, authority, and governance. You'll also have to accept that thier concept of what is and isn't 'good' is going to come with them.

Old guy can die happy now.