It's not at all bad faith, since it's what he came for and what he did. He crossed state lines armed looking for trouble he might stop using his gun. He went armed to play cop with zero training and illegally carrying a weapon he was too young to have. He might have Intended to only shoot at arsonists, but what he did was randomly shoot into crowds and down the streets, killing two non arsonists, allegedly while blind due to being pepper sprayed.

I can't decipher your good guilty easy innocent hard targets. What?

He has no right to deputize himself, no matter what property crimes he assumed were forthcoming.

Yeah, try to equate property crime to violent murder, it only shows you aren't arguing in good faith yourself.

He was blocks from the parking lot he came, uninvited, to "protect". Was his beat the whole city now?

Big difference between crossing state lines to guard someone else's business and guarding your own home, more bad faith arguments. You can use force to protect your home and family from threats of serious harm, you can't shoot your neighbor for trespassing and cutting some tree branches you didn't want cut.

Do you know who owned the property he murdered the first guy on? Maybe he stands with the crowd and militia boy was trespassing, brandishing a rifle, and eventually murdering someone there before running and gunning his way back home without reporting the shootings, ensuring that property will be torched within a week.
Great job protecting them. For all he knew he was shooting the owner, he wasn't protecting property when he shot.
That is the innocent property owner here, not the owner of the owner of the original parking lot he was guarding, not the kid or his parents, and this gung ho kid's actions ensured their properties destruction and exacerbated the unrest, triggering more property damage. Good job, fucknuts...enjoy big boy prison.

This is how the white man goes to war --

Excuse me, do you by chance happen to um you know have any large sources and/or surpluses of precious resources?

1. No, ok bye. You need religion and economic aid for your local warlords to exploit and starve you.

2. Yes, ok you're bad and you believe in bad things. Anglo Saxons to the rescue -- if you don't like progress and [INSERT POLITICAL IDEOLOGY HERE], prepare to die -- or maybe be tortured and interned while we figure out what the hell our long term plan is.

Hey Jimbo, what's our short term plan?

Hell if i know. Here's a term stolen from the Chinese and reinterpreted to mean whatever the hell we want it to mean --- GUNG HO!!!!!! And here's a new one: SHOCK & AWEEEE-yeeaah! Oooooooooohhhhhh... *Hillary Clinton looking at balloons in wonderment -- Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra*

You've transcribed my thoughts pretty exactly.

I too am not at all a gung ho "screw all the dead guys, cops are the best" type. I consider every shooting I see on an individual basis, and to me it's clear that the officer had to shoot the guy to stop him, and he tried repeatedly to avoid it.

Gung Ho was a great movie.

"perfectly safe for the vast majority of people" - What about the other people? Screw them, they're just the stupid minority, right? This video debunks NOTHING. I'd like to see this prick get the headaches I used to get after eating Chinese food from a particular place. I'm sure he'd be real gung-ho about MSG then.

My point is that, yes, it's a tough situation, but maybe screaming at someone while pointing a gun at them is not the way to diffuse it.

Reality is not black and white. It's complicated.

Maybe if they'd gotten out of the car and said "what seems to be the problem here?" the whole thing might have gone down differently. Instead they went in gung ho and 20 seconds later, the guy is dead.

But you're right, we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. Will be interesting to see what the inquest says.

Bravo. CC is a terrible, terrible set of standards that I wish my home state of Washington were not so extremely gung-ho on. Frankly, I'm very saddened by all of this.

Educational standards ought to be made by the home districts, who have the ability to take in to account the context of each community, not at the federal/corporate level.

Part of the problem is the collective populace is as two-faced as its representatives. We get all gung-ho about our rights during election season, then some putz lights his underwear on fire and we go full-on red alert panic mode.

You can't be both completely free and completely safe and you can't please a nation of all bark, no bite cowards. Shut up and take my civil rights!

That is why it is important to recognize your faults as just another human being, and then to align your entertainment consumption with entertainment that provokes and builds physical strength.

Be an early adopter, but not for the OCD obsession over the adoption, rather for what that new technology or entertainment means for for our freedom and the continuation of the species in civil society!

Be healthy and live in a healthy society. I know I have been out there and fuckin gung ho anti-police, but for good reason -- they drove me to a breaking point; a breaking point that I can finally see past. I don't fault institutions but the individuals that allow bad things to happen to good people and to society at large.

Be better, live better -- align your time with your positive agendas. It's not all a vicious cycle.

Did you even read what I said? I said people should use their wealth to do the Lords work and help the poor. God gives people material blessings to do those things, but many are enslaved to their love of money and don't do them. I know exactly what the word says about money, and my statement matches it precisely. I am not a republican nor am I a gung-ho capitalist. The early church was very socialist, in that the members all sold what they had and shared the proceeds with eachother as they needed. I support that, but I also recognize that in a fallen world, without the hand of God directly involved, socialism can very easily become totalitarian.

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That isn't an indictment against money, it is an indictment against greed. God doesn't care if you have money, but He does care what you use it for. He made Solomon the richest person on the planet. I think those who are rich should be using their money for the Lords work and giving heartily to the poor, so I do not support the aquisition of wealth for wealths sake. I think that is sinful. However, that is their choice, and it is not up to me, but it is between them and God.

Typical christian, thinks he knows what his god wants but ignores what he says... Just think about how much good works those stashed millions could be doing for the poor. Dare I say it, the 'God' conservatives put so much stock in is a gasp socialist...
"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."
-Proverbs 21:13
"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."
-Proverbs 31:8-9
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
-Matthew 6:24
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"
-Matthew 19:23-24
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"
-Matthew 25:41-45
"He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished."
-Proverbs 17:5
"He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty."
-Proverbs 22:16
"Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"
-Matthew 19:21
"He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses."
-Proverbs 28:27
"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
-1 Timothy 6:9-10
"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life."
-1 Timothy 6:17-19
"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."
-Ezekiel 16:49
"Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all."
-Proverbs 22:2
"He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God."
-Proverbs 14:31
"A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor."
-Proverbs 22:9
"Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse."
-Proverbs 28:6
"A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished."
-Proverbs 28:20
"The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern."
-Proverbs 29:7
"Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death."
-Proverbs 11:4
"Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them."
-Proverbs 22:22-23
"Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."
-Proverbs 23:4-5
"Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless."
-Ecclesiastes 5:10
"A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold."
-Proverbs 22:1
"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land."
-Deuteronomy 15:11
"Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have."
-Hebrews 13:5
"You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge."
-Psalm 14:6
"He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done."
-Proverbs 19:17
"A rich man may be wise in his own eyes, but a poor man who has discernment sees through him."
-Proverbs 28:11
"A fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare."
-Proverbs 21:6
"The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall."
-Proverbs 18:11

I think this whole video is premised on part of the problem with how Obama ran his 2008 campaign. Basically, he allowed himself to become a vessel for every progressive to fill with their hopes and dreams.

Like Cenk says here, Obama said, in these exact words, "I don't want to just play the game better, I want to change how politics works."

Cenk seemed to think that translated into "I promise I will end corporate influence over politics, and utterly break the back of the Republican party so they can't stop us from implementing every aspect of the progressive agenda."

Obama never really disabused people from this notion -- he never said "no no, that's wrong, here's what I really mean" and those chickens are coming home to roost now.

As someone who listened carefully to what Obama actually said in the boring parts of his speeches, and read his books, I can say Cenk just misunderstood.

See, Obama thought he was going to "change how politics worked" by essentially accepting all the Republican counter-proposals from history. He thought we didn't have health care because liberals were too fixated on single-payer, when even Romneycare would be a massive improvement to our healthcare system. He thought we didn't have carbon controls because he thought liberals were too gung-ho for carbon taxes, and rejecting the Republican idea of cap & trade.

So basically, his big idea was that the progressive agenda could finally be implemented, by just selling the Republican solutions to the issues liberals care about to liberals. And by and large, he succeeded in that part of his plan.

The problem he ran into, and still seems to have not fully come to grips with, is that Republicans never really proposed those because they wanted to solve the problems with health care or global warming, they just wanted to use those plans as a cover for their obstruction of more liberal legislation. They never really believed in individual mandates or carbon offsets, they just needed to present those ideas because they needed to pretend (at least in earlier decades), like they only objected to the way Democrats were addressing those problems, and not objecting to the problem being addressed at all.

Now, of course, America has largely been brainwashed through decades of conservative-dominated media, and they no longer feel the need to pretend to give a shit about issues, and can just go straight for the outright denial of the problem itself. Oh, and they also have no problem lying to people about where these policy prescriptions really came from: their own party.

No Duke is still Duke, he's there in the first half a few times. I think Rock is supposed to be Gung-Ho. Agreed this looks both terrible and I can't wait to watch it. Though as with most of these terrible eagerly anticipated things, I'll be waiting for redbox.

What's that you say, Thomas Sowell?

"If anything, "the rich" have far more options for putting their money beyond the reach of the tax collectors today than they had back in 1921. In addition to being able to put their money into tax-exempt securities, the rich today can easily send millions -- or billions -- of dollars to foreign countries, with the ease of electronic transfers in a globalized economy.

"In other words, the genuinely rich are likely to be the least harmed by high tax rates in the top brackets. People who are looking for jobs are likely to be the most harmed, because they cannot equally easily transfer themselves overseas to take the jobs that are being created there by American investments that are fleeing from high tax rates at home.

"Small businesses -- hardware stores, gas stations or restaurants for example -- are likewise unable to transfer themselves overseas. So they are far more likely to be unable to escape the higher tax rates that are supposedly being imposed on "millionaires and billionaires," as President Obama puts it. Moreover, small businesses are what create most of the new jobs.

"Why then are so many politicians, journalists and others so gung-ho to raise tax rates in the upper brackets?

"Aside from sheer ignorance of history and economics, class warfare politics pays off in votes for politicians who can depict their opponents as defenders of the rich and themselves as looking out for working people. It is a great political game that has paid off repeatedly in state, local and federal elections.

"As for the 1920s, (Secretary of the Treasury Andrew) Mellon eventually got his way, getting Congress to bring the top tax rate down from 73 percent to 24 percent. Vast sums of money that had seemingly vanished into thin air suddenly reappeared in the economy, creating far more jobs and far more tax revenue for the government.

Sometimes sanity eventually prevails. But not always."

As an Australian I just happened to be working in San Francisco at the time, so got up to go to work, and found my housemate watching the news with the first tower already on fire, then saw the second one hit and knew it wasn't just an accident.

Over the coming days while the airports were shut and tvs played news of it all while we were at work it was bizarre in the extreme for me to see the banners being rolled out over the highways by people being ultra patriotic and gung ho. Very strange for me as an Aussie, as it's not really how we handle such things. That and we didn't know whether the airports were going to open in time for us to return to Australia to prepare to come back to the US to work permanently (proper visas and what not).

Then there was the continued histeria about terrorist attacks via anthrax etc. Such that we did return to Australia, and then went back to America to start working, only to have an Anthrax scare in our very building (Photo of hazmat vehicle in the carpark) on the first day back.

Strange days.

See above post with links for where I get my facts. Your google must be broken. I entered medicare fraud, 6 billion and found plenty. And CBS isn't exactly FOX.

That's great and all, but the entire country would be better off if our society would do the right thing and admit going gung ho towards a free market is short sighted, and destructive to everyone in the economy.


Seemed to work well before the socialist rubbish beginning in the 1920s. The destruction began with a huge all-powerful federal mafia spending more money than it takes in. Now that the bill has come due, the socialists want to attack the economic engine itself and not the dopes redlining it, namely, socialists.



So why not get better at busting medicaid fraud?! There's police fraud, but no one is going around saying we need to abolish police. There's insurance fraud, but we don't make insurance illegal. I could go on and on.


I don't have an answer for you why this fraud isn't policed better, except that policing costs money and thugverment prefers zero oversight and accountability whenever possible. I would simply make medicare fraud punishable by death.


I'm chained to the facts. As I'm not a left-winger, I must make decisions and form opinions based on reality. If the left had evidence that nations can tax themselves into prosperity, or that socialized medicine is efficient, innovative and doesn't cause care rationing and doctor shortages, I'd be for them.


Congress has been taxocrat-controlled since 2006 and then of course there's the Kenyanesque Hawaiian since 2008. Why have things only worsened since these clowns took power? Hmmmmmmmm....