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"can't take back no hurt"

BSR says...

Excellent points. That is where grief comes in. It's a game changer.

eric3579 said:

The problem with discussing words like hate,love,caring, etc., is that we all define these things a bit differently, so discussing them becomes quite difficult.
Takes so much discussion just to get on the same page before the discussion really begins.

"can't take back no hurt"

BSR says...

"I can't say I hate them because I don't hate anybody."

She may or may not know what the answer is, but she sure knows what the problem is.

The opposite of love is not hate. It is grief.
The opposite of hate is courage.

Langur monkeys grieve over fake monkey--Spy in the Wild:Ep.1

Cart Narcs Catch A Dumb Hag

BSR says...

No need tell anyone about their mistakes. Mistakes correct themselves. For instance I thought loving someone was the right thing to do.

Then one day I lost someone I loved. It was the worst and most fearful point in my life. I felt that somehow I had the wrong idea about love and I was the only one who didn't get the message. The grief was terrible. Almost inescapable. I was stuck inside my own little world. If I had a gun I would have put it to my head and pulled the trigger. Luckily I had no gun but I did have a little more time to suffer over a decision.

Do I continue to love knowing the pain and nightmare of grief?

What do you think my choice was?

EDIT: Actually, you don't help by not forgiving inappropriate behavior. Forgiving is not condoning. It's really more of an exercise to keep from pulling the trigger or setting yourself on fire.

Your death has nothing to do with you and everything to do with those that love you.

newtboy said:

I think you help people by showing them their mistakes, calmly explaining them if needed, and you help the public by exposing those who angrily deny any obligation to be responsible, civil, or accept established social obligations so others don't rely on them or trust them to do the obviously right thing so the public has the information needed to know to distrust and shun them.

You don't help by excusing inappropriate behavior.

Grown Man Pooping Wrong His Entire Life

BSR says...

I was wrong once.

1) You only need to be correct about ONE thing 100% of the time.

2) When you lose the one you love and suffer their loss, you will feel you did the wrong thing. Feeling tricked. You will feel VERY ALONE. This is not where love was supposed to take you. You will be left with one decision. Do you continue to love knowing you will be sending the people you've loved and who love you, into the same hell you are stuck in or do you take the chance that those you love can band together with all those who chose to love you and them?

3) You will only need to make one decision to get beyond the hell and grief that love delivered you into.

The bleeding hearts and artists are waiting for you.

Love is all you need. -Beatles

The blacksmith and the artist
Reflect it in their art
They forge their creativity
Closer to the heart
Yeah, it's closer to the heart -Rush

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Thank you for breaking my heart
Thank you for tearing me apart
Now I've a strong, strong heart
Thank you for breaking my heart -John Charles Reynolds / Sinead O'connor



As far as the guy with the poop, yeah, I think you're right.

moonsammy said:

There's this idea I've tried to incorporate into my life.

1) Nobody on earth is correct about everything 100% of the time.

2) No one can really know what they're wrong about (as one wouldn't maintain a belief they know is wrong)

3) I'm a person on earth, so I'm wrong about things and don't know what they are.

I hope the things I'm wrong about are minor. This guy here? He ended up with a pretty damned big wrong.

Trump Lies About His Trade War with China

BSR says...

My intent is not insult you. I respect you. You have a powerful talent and I feel as though you become frustrated because you keep hitting the curb with your Bugatti.

I never called you a liar nor do I believe you are. Maybe just a little ignorant of your powers.

ig·no·rant
/ˈiɡnərənt/
adjective
lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

Again, not insult you but just to show I did my homework. I know you demand that.

Edit: "If I did, I don't want anyone to catch me. Let me fall, crash, and burn, that's what liars deserve."

No one deserves that but, grief will take you there. If you haven't experienced real greif, you're not alone. When you fall it won't be because you're a liar. It will be because you loved someone.

newtboy said:

Not my hatred.
My hate is born from a disgust of those who gleefully obfuscate fact and truth.
You go ahead and love the unloveable lying shit bags. Catch them, leave me be.
I'm not becoming a retarded ignoramus idiot who contradicts fact with made up nonsense. If I did, I don't want anyone to catch me. Let me fall, crash, and burn, that's what liars deserve.

I will never become them, I care about fact and truth and I am not a liar, and I'm insulted by the implication. That is a fact.

Racist Australian Senator egged by hero kid

ChaosEngine says...

"go to western sydney, blah blah whatabout whatabout whatabout waaaahhhh" yawn..... been there, done that.

Are there some Muslims who aren't great people? Sure. Same way as there are some awful white people. But if I tarred them all with the same brush, I'd be as ignorant as senator wankstain.

And he's racist as fuck.

So if you want to learn how a left wing politician speaks with compassion, empathy and eloquence, I suggest you read NZ PM Jacinda Ardern's speech.

"We cannot know your grief, but we can walk with you at every stage. We can. And we will, surround you with aroha (love), manaakitanga(support) and all that makes us, us. Our hearts are heavy but our spirit is strong."

"Naeem Rashid, originally from Pakistan, died after rushing at the terrorist and trying to wrestle the gun from him. He lost his life trying to save those who were worshipping alongside him.

Abdul Aziz, originally from Afghanistan, confronted and faced down the armed terrorist after grabbing the nearest thing to hand – a simple eftpos machine. He risked his life and no doubt saved many with his selfless bravery."

And if you want to read how she speaks with resolve...

"A 28-year-old man – an Australian citizen – has been charged with one count of murder. Other charges will follow. He will face the full force of the law in New Zealand. The families of the fallen will have justice.

He sought many things from his act of terror, but one was notoriety.

And that is why you will never hear me mention his name.

He is a terrorist. He is a criminal. He is an extremist.

But he will, when I speak, be nameless."

I will waste no more time on your pathetic racist arse.

transmorpher said:

You've just proved exactly what I'm talking about.

You can't prove anything he said was racist, so we go straight to the lefty thing of calling me "low" because you've mistaken moral outrage for an actual argument.

You live close to Western Sydney if you are from NZ. Go there dressed with the slightest hint of being homosexual, Jewish, or if you are female show a little bit of leg. You'll see the real bigotry and intolerance very quickly.

Beyond The Crash - The Worst News Of Your Life

BSR says...

Do you like to "fantasize" about "idiots being wiped from the gene pool" or how to "deal with the grief from these tragic events?"

Pick one.

transmorpher said:

(I'm sure it's a horribly flawed concept, but I like to fantasize about idiots being wiped from the gene pool to help me deal with the grief from these tragic events).

Beyond The Crash - The Worst News Of Your Life

transmorpher says...

Really tragic. I honestly don't care if people kill themselves, but when they take someone with them, that is heart breaking.



I believe Darwinism might be the solution here:

Between Midnight and 3 am, drink driving is legal, and no emergency services will respond to accidents. It's kind of like concept of the Purge movies.

People who are dumb enough to drink and drive will wipe themselves out, and everyone else will avoid traveling during these times.

(I'm sure it's a horribly flawed concept, but I like to fantasize about idiots being wiped from the gene pool to help me deal with the grief from these tragic events).

Helping A Friend Through Grief

BSR says...

Almost every day I'll meet with grieving families or a loved one.

In my job, "I see dead people." I also pick up and transport them no matter how they died. I do body removals. A body snatcher if you will.

When I pick up a military veteran, the last thing I do before I leave with a family's loved one, is place the American flag over the covered corpse. This instantly turns their grief into pride.

In some instances, if the loved one isn't a veteran, I'll simply ask what's the one thing about (insert name here) that's made you the proudest?

Sometimes I have to be careful asking that question because the answer can be very time consuming.

This is also one of those jobs where "It's my pleasure" isn't an appropriate reply after they thank you.

Michael Jackson - Billie Jean ( cover by Donald Trump )

newtboy says...

They all went through a period of that shit.

However religions have always been this way.
Good for you going to Church. Warm and fuzzy feeling. Some, I'm sure, include ok folk who are just misguided.

Just like all religions or groups its the 5% core that drive them. And those 5% of religious zealots of all faiths are murderers and are still causing grief ALL AROUND THE GLOBE.

FTFY

bobknight33 said:

They all went through a period of that shit.

However the Muslims have always been this way.
Good for you going to Mosque . Warm and fuzzy feeling. They are ok folk.

Lust like all religions or groups its the 20 % core that drive them. And those 20% Muslims are murders and causing grief ALL AROUND THE GLOBE.

Michael Jackson - Billie Jean ( cover by Donald Trump )

bobknight33 says...

They all went through a period of that shit.

However the Muslims have always been this way.
Good for you going to Mosque . Warm and fuzzy feeling. They are ok folk.

Lust like all religions or groups its the 20 % core that drive them. And those 20% Muslims are murders and causing grief ALL AROUND THE GLOBE.

StukaFox said:

You really don't know the history of your own religion, do you?

"Hey, Protestants, convert or die!" says the French Catholic.
"Hey, Catholics, convert or die!" says the Austrian Protestant.
"Hey, Jews, convert or die! Uh, but lend us money first -- we need to kill those false Christians over there!" says both the French Catholic and the Austrian Protestant.

You know Christians waged wars on each other over whether the Bible should be in common vernacular or not, right?

Also, you have no fucking clue about Islam. Learn about them? I've gone to a mosque (Sunni); I've watched them pray; I've talked to an Imam. Which of any of the above three have YOU done, O Scholar of Islam?

Fox News Host Calls Trump-Kim a Meeting of ‘Two Dictators'

FlowersInHisHair says...

Good grief the commentary is word-salad.

"...He's willing to break what would be the usual bonds of uh not going to a meeting like this..."

Eagle Steals Rabbit From Fox

entr0py says...

I think that fox must have taken some damage, you can see he wasn't holding on with his teeth, he just has the meat hooks in him.

Eagles are already OPed, you'd think they could find their own food. But no, they'd rather grief foxes.

Starbucks meetup ends with handcuffs for 2 patrons

newtboy says...

NBC nightly news.

I've never had an issue like this either, but I also have never gone to a busy business, set up shop, tried to use the amenities, refused to make a purchase, and obstinately refused to leave. I have been forced to make my purchase before being allowed access to the rest room, doing the gotta pee dance the whole time. You can't ignore that I'm white....but it had nothing to do with that interaction.

Why buy something if you think your friend is buying? Because you sat down and they asked you to. I've not heard anyone claim that was the case, however, nor that they made that clear to the manager.

Could be they're friendlier at your local Starbucks, since I assume it's not run by Americans. ;-)

I think the 'grief' started when they asked for restroom access but refused to make a purchase. Many locations are strict on that rule to avoid becoming a public restroom that serves coffee. Then they refused to leave or make a purchase, and were likely nasty after being denied restroom access, but even if not they were undeniably defiant of the manager, who has every right to ask non customers to leave.
It might have a race component, but just as easily might not. Jumping to the conclusion that just because they're black it must be racial discrimination is bullshit imo, and leads to insanity like people outraged at racist faucets and soap opera tv court cases.

CrushBug said:

Can you cite your sources, please? I have not heard this information. What I had heard matches some of what you said.

The information I read on several news sites (CNN, WaPo, and I forget the thrid) all said similar things to what you said, except that the 2 were waiting for a friend to arrive, who happened to arrive just as they were being led out.

They were not customers, yet. Why buy anything before your friend arrives, if he is buying the drinks?

I am white and I have never once been hassled at a Starbucks for showing up and hanging out with my laptop, going to the bathroom, or doing anything for any amount of time.

I don't think we can ignore that they were black, and it sounds like they were getting grief pretty early on in their stay.



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