I have many years of game time on Epic Pinball. Now it's all card games...

The reason (traditionally) is that soccer does not have many long interruptions, like American football or Baseball. Free-Kick, Throw-In, Change-ins, even Penalty shots - everything happens quite fast and barely has influence on the game time of 90 minutes. There is only one longer break in-between. So the 3 Refs on the field usually have 1 other Ref standing on the sidelines who will give his overview input on things they may have missed. He is the only one who would be able to evaluate video material - but that would have to happen extremely fast, with barely any discussion.

To add to that; if these athletes really did protest outside of the sporting event I seriously doubt it would get any coverage AT ALL. I HIGHLY doubt that the media would give it any air time!

This doesn't hurt anyone directly... it's not obscene... they're not delaying game time... I just don't see how it can strike up such controversy. I'm sorry you had to think about the plight of people of color in this country on your leisurely game day Sunday?

We need more people of color in our governing body's if you don't want to see someone take a knee during the national anthem.

Let them have their time and raise awareness.

And they would have gotten away with it too if not for those meddling kids!

>> ^oritteropo:

That looks like the same ("Pepper's ghost") technique used for the Sega game Time Traveler and the Tupac concert... it was developed in the 16th century, and was popular on stage in the 19th century.
That said though, it was very nicely done until the last few seconds.

See also Zifnab's Awesome Lego Star wars Hologram and the Sega Time Traveler videos for more. Ars Technica have a nice article on the subject too.

The technique suddenly seems to be popping up everywhere!

That looks like the same ("Pepper's ghost") technique used for the Sega game Time Traveler and the Tupac concert... it was developed in the 16th century, and was popular on stage in the 19th century.

That said though, it was very nicely done until the last few seconds.

>> ^apljr85:

i'm not sure that will be the case. i think they're going in the WoW direction and catering to both hardcore and casual gamers. plus i'm not sure how the linked account system is going to work, but from what i could gather, you can pretty much pay for your game time through your AH transactions. if you decide to go that route anyway.>> ^ponceleon:
Hours on a single boss... actually that does NOT sound like fun. When you add in the whole game money being linked to real money and then factoring in that repairs will be expensive after continuous wipes... yeah, I'm beginning to wonder if this is not going to be a very frustrating game from a financial perspective.

I really hope they don't turn this into an at-home arcade where you have to put in money to continue playing...




It won't be a subscription-based game. They will make money on transaction fees in the real money auction house.

>> ^valorumguygee:

>> ^apljr85:
i'm not sure that will be the case. i think they're going in the WoW direction and catering to both hardcore and casual gamers. plus i'm not sure how the linked account system is going to work, but from what i could gather, you can pretty much pay for your game time through your AH transactions. if you decide to go that route anyway.I really hope they don't turn this into an at-home arcade where you have to put in money to continue playing...


You need to do a bit more research I think...
There are no monthly fees to the game, so there's no "game time" to pay for. And the auction house real money thing does NOT need to be used to play the game at all... In the effort to combat out of game transactions that lead to MANY people being scammed and breaking eula, Blizzard found another way to make some profit, yes, but it does solve that original problem (Or go a long way towards eliminating it anyway) But I'm pretty sure most people enjoyed Diablo 2 without buying things from other players, they will do so here also.


yeah, i don't know much about it. but yes there is no monthly fee, i was referring to WoW game time. i was not very clear. but now i see why they are doing it this way to eliminate the 3rd party sites. tyvm sir

>> ^apljr85:

i'm not sure that will be the case. i think they're going in the WoW direction and catering to both hardcore and casual gamers. plus i'm not sure how the linked account system is going to work, but from what i could gather, you can pretty much pay for your game time through your AH transactions. if you decide to go that route anyway.I really hope they don't turn this into an at-home arcade where you have to put in money to continue playing...



You need to do a bit more research I think...

There are no monthly fees to the game, so there's no "game time" to pay for. And the auction house real money thing does NOT need to be used to play the game at all... In the effort to combat out of game transactions that lead to MANY people being scammed and breaking eula, Blizzard found another way to make some profit, yes, but it does solve that original problem (Or go a long way towards eliminating it anyway) But I'm pretty sure most people enjoyed Diablo 2 without buying things from other players, they will do so here also.

i'm not sure that will be the case. i think they're going in the WoW direction and catering to both hardcore and casual gamers. plus i'm not sure how the linked account system is going to work, but from what i could gather, you can pretty much pay for your game time through your AH transactions. if you decide to go that route anyway.>> ^ponceleon:

Hours on a single boss... actually that does NOT sound like fun. When you add in the whole game money being linked to real money and then factoring in that repairs will be expensive after continuous wipes... yeah, I'm beginning to wonder if this is not going to be a very frustrating game from a financial perspective.

I really hope they don't turn this into an at-home arcade where you have to put in money to continue playing...

I absolutely love it when people say something is unproductive. I'm sorry, if you weren't playing video games were you going to be curing cancer or coming up with some mind-blowing world changing event? Probably not. Like he said productive is relative. You can look at being productive as are you changing the world. With that definition there is 7 billion unproductive people. What would playing the piano have done more for you than video games? I played piano for countless years and I play video games. You know what I found more "productive"? Video games. Time with friends and enjoyment. Sure I can play Bach and Chopan with my eyes closed, but what production is that making? Ahh...that's right, nothing.

>> ^Crosswords:

I agree somewhat with Westy, it certainly lacks the flair of American football when a player makes a spectacular catch, or well executed plays trounce their opponents.

I've been trying to watch some NFL games on tv here in Finland when I have the opportunity, because I do think that handegg is basically a good game, requiring a lot of tactical and strategical thinking along with high amounts of athleticism. The problem is that it's impossible to watch. Totally, completely impossible. We lack the advertisements you guys get over there, and since there really isn't anything to replace them with they have to put on a blank screen (because they don't get the feed during the advertisements either), so you get a few minutes of game time and then you get a static image with some elevator music playing until you get back to the game for another few minutes. If only the pauses between plays would be more along the lines of 10 seconds, tops...


At least the Super Bowl had some historical footage to show during the commercial breaks...

Also, game-time cards can be bought in game with in-game money!

All legit and okay with the company running it, CCP.

>> ^Mcboinkens:

>> ^westy:
>> ^Mcboinkens:
<em>>> <a rel="nofollow" href='http://videosift.com/video/Who-is-this-guy-and-what-lab-was-he-built-in#comment-1063403'>^Seric</a>:<br />I wonder how good he would be if he'd spent that time learning real drums <IMG class=smiley src="http://static1.videosift.com/cdm/emoticon/blank.gif"><BR></em>
Yeah, you kind of shot yourself in the foot. He's using a real drum set, not to mention he is using very advanced drumming techniques. He probably learned to played the drums as a kid and then just found this game as a fun way to learn to play new, complex songs.
Furthermore, you should keep up with the new Rock Band coming out. The goal is shifting from just a fun way to chill with friends to actual tutorials on the instruments. The guitar is actually getting 6 strings with fingersensing technology, and it WILL teach those that want to learn to play, with enough effort of course. On the drums, the ride, crash, and high-hat will have different locations charted than the snare and toms, further enhancing gameplay.
Also, Westy, the analogy you made to racing virtually and for real is extremely off. The two focus on completely different things, one is mastering the course and memorizing lines, the other is having a solid team to tune your car, quick thinking out on the course, knowing the course AND dealing with the G's.

You do reolise that G forces are only relivent in F1 and indy car maby some of the other high speed single seaters and evan then you could easily train for that over a year ? other than the phisical strain Gforces actual make driving a car ALLOT ESEAR as you can feal what the car is doing where as in a game you have to go of the stearing collom alone.
you allso reolise that the teams in f1 pritty much compelaty set the car up for the driver ?
You do know that Driving simulators are not just used for learning the layout of the track right? and that in f1 since testing time is so limited drivers themselfs spend a huge amount of time in the simulator testing the teems setups and car modificatoins that the mechanics have done for them ?
Have you ever played a sim racing game ? top sim racers have to do far more tweeking and car set up than a real driver would ever be exspecvted to do , allso sim drivers Drive FAR FAR tighter than a real world driver ever would litraly 100% on the limit to the millimeter.
sim racing is allso far closer and requires more race craft than the vast majorty of other pro forms of racing , due to the fact you can see far less and people are driving closer to the limmit , i dont know if u ever watch f1 but 90% of the grid hardly push the limit interms of race craft.
The largest fundimental factor that stops incredably tallented sim racers compeating in the real world is CASH pure and simple , you have to be a ritch basterd to race and thats without getting anny money back.
Things are slowly changing though , seems that more and more scoller ships are opaning up offering top level sim racers the chance to race in the real world
http://www.ferrari.com/Engli
sh/Formula1/News/Headlines/Pages/100901_F1_Maranello_unveils_new_online_simulator.aspx


I won't waste too much time responding, but you are basically spouting bullshit. NASCAR drivers take 2-3 Gs on turns, and that's about as low as it gets in racing. Your point on teams setting up the cars actually furthers my point. Virtual drivers that set up their own cars are not mechanics, they just get numbers off of the internet and in-game time trials. The true mechanics don't do it that way.
Furthermore, you are incorrect when you assume that driving simulators they use are video games. They cost thousands of dollars and are inside of model cars that can represent true G force feelings.
On to the next point, virtual drivers can get exact drive-lines down because they are not exposed to real racing conditions. Sitting on a couch moving a thumbstick is not the same as turning a steering column in the middle of a track. Less pressure too. Screw up on XBOXLive? Just quit. Screw up in real life and you lose what could be your career, car, or just money in general.
Granted, there may be 1 or 2 sim drivers that could actually compete(and do well ), but like I said, your anology comes nowhere close to Rock Band drums vs. real drumsets. Anyway..


Im sorry but your the one talking out your arse , The point was regardless of how many G you exsperance anything below GP2,and most drivers would be fine with it given a month to get used to it. allso annything below GP2 and the G's make driving easer than sim racing not harder , as it allows you to feel what the car is doing.


Lets focus on road racing as I don't know or care that much about nascar.

to specificity answer your points

1) Red bull use Rfactor pro which is likely to be fairly simular (going by what the people that make Rfactor have said) to normal r factor it just outputs more data and gives the team far better data as to what effect there modifications have made.

Lets bare in mind that all the top sim racers pretty much use Rfactor as there default simulator

Allso there is enough steering collom feed back in Iracing ,Rfactor , Netcar pro to alow a driver to become a significantly better driver by training on it so long as they are using annything above a g25 for input. ITS NOT SIMPLY A CASE OF LEARNING RACING LINES , simulators like Rfactor , Iracing give enoughf feel for you to drive reactively , They allso simulate close racing and sim racers will get to exsperance more racing with other people and as a rsult develop more race craft faster . Remember when all the poker players came from online and totaly dominated real world poker players , this was simply due to the fact that they played thousends more hands than evan vintage poker players , this is what will and has happend with top end sim racers. the onyl difference is you have to be a ritch basterd to get into motor sport in the first place this is why sim racers dont often trasnfer its a totaly riged sport controled by the ritch of the world , but this is slowly chainging.

2) The sole resoin that sim racers drive to the limit is that it dosent cost them annything to crash the car repatedly to find the limit , once they have found it they can pritty much stick to it.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME WHY THE FUCK WOULD I BE TALKING ABOUT xbox360 ? THERE ARE NO GAMES EVAN CLOSE TO SIMULATOR STANDERD ON THE 360 WHY WOULD YOU EVAN BRING THIS UP WTF?

3) There are a good number of top sim racers that would rape the vast majorty of real world drivers , they are far more or equaly skiled than real world drivers they just have never had the money to drive in real life. If you consider there are probably only what 1000 top level competative road drivers , the top 20 sim racers would be able to compete with 80% of the gird in F1 and they represent the best of the best.

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