this is so scary.

so im watching 'rage' which is an all night music clip program on Australian tv and teh band playing is Jesus lizard. Im thinking that names familiar...

WTF!!! the music to this clip is by Jesus lizard!! Never heard of them in my life. Pretty fkn massive coincidence 'the powers that be!!'

Guess I need to go download some Jesus Lizard music then. Thanks for the music tip Gaia!

Every since she started liking other planets, she's gone by the name gaya.
>> ^chilaxe:

I'm concerned this might anger the Earth Goddess, Gaia.

I'm concerned this might anger the Earth Goddess, Gaia.

Thank you, sir. If I only had videosift to go on I would have expected @Crake to look like a mix of this and this striking at the world from his Polywell-driven fortress, growing little crakers much better than regular people.
>> ^dag:

Nice playing. @Crake looks just as I imagined.

I'm about halfway though it, right where they give their "verdict" on their first question of "is the world getting any warmer".

Basically, everything they showed was a litany of cherry picked data points.

I was particularly disappointed when they started citing news reports in 2008 about how there might've been an increase in ice cover that year from 2007. 2007 was the warmest year in the entire historical record since they started directly measuring temperatures and keeping records.

They kinda give away their problem when they showed the level of solar radiation on top of the last century's temperature record and said the "correlation was high". Well, yeah, but if you look at that picture carefully, you notice that the temperatures start getting above it more and more often the longer you go forward.

Why? Because there's more CO2 in the air, so I'll see now what they say about CO2.

Oh my. I guess I'm not sure what the argument they tried to present really was. Some things they said:

• There's a really small amount of CO2 in the atmosphere
  
• Most of the CO2 in the atmosphere comes from natural sources
  
• CO2 makes plants grow more
  
• Nobody's ever proven that CO2 has ever increased temperatures (no supporting evidence or refutation of people who've claimed to have proven this, just the naked assertion)
  
• The only reason why anyone thinks global warming is real is because of a "dubious" computer program (no info given on why it's dubious, or what might be wrong with said program)
  

This doesn't disprove CO2's effect as a greenhouse gas. It suggests that maybe the Gaia hypothesis is right, and that plant growth will react to the increased CO2 and absorb it all to maintain it at present levels, but uh, we have data showing a sharp increase since the industrial revolution, and that would seem to disprove the idea that increased plant growth will keep CO2 in check.

Also, part of the global warming hypothesis is about deforestation -- it's not just that we're digging up fossilized hydrocarbons and releasing them into the atmosphere, it's that at the same time we're destroying the forests that would scrub excess CO2 from the atmosphere, which will destabilize the equilibrium even more than burning oil and coal would by themselves.

@Psychologic, in answer to your first question, here are the equations relating to the greenhouse effect. Those don't cover real-world situations, since it's assuming 100% IR opacity of the atmosphere, and it's not 100% in the real atmosphere.

Water vapor and clouds actually have two effects, one it increases the IR opacity of the atmosphere (warmer), but it also increases the albedo of the atmosphere (cooler).

I don't know what the measured/approximated values are that they plug in, but that's where the real climate science debate is right now, i.e. how much CO2 is too much? When will methane trapped under the ocean and under ice get released, knocking us permanently off equilibrium?

That's where the real debates are these days. Otherwise, it's like dft said, the only reason there isn't total consensus is because of a propaganda campaign perpetrated by oil and coal companies, and it gets repeated by people who have fantasies about punching hippies.

>> ^quantumushroom:
Man-made global warming is the biggest hoax--and crime--ever perpetrated on the human race. It's the same wealth and freedom-destroying socialist horsesh;t only wrapped in green tinfoil.
It wouldn't have gotten this far without egotistical half-wits like Al Snore given a spotlight, but more so from legions of Gaia-worshipping rabid enviro-mental-cases, who want to see all human life destroyed to "save Mother Earth".
"Bible-Man" may be delusional but he doesn't think he's God or feels qualified to rule others without question.
Unlike the statists.



Ok, you got me, I laughed out loud, literally, and my co-workers looked at me funny. You get +1 internets for the day! Well done!

>> ^Maze:
>> ^quantumushroom:
Man-made global warming is the biggest hoax--and crime--ever perpetrated on the human race. It's the same wealth and freedom-destroying socialist horsesh;t only wrapped in green tinfoil.
It wouldn't have gotten this far without egotistical half-wits like Al Snore given a spotlight, but more so from legions of Gaia-worshipping rabid enviro-mental-cases, who want to see all human life destroyed to "save Mother Earth".
"Bible-Man" may be delusional but he doesn't think he's God or feels qualified to rule others without question.
Unlike the statists.

Instead of being so angry about it, why not educate yourself? Global warming wouldn't have gotten this far without people muddying the waters and ignoring the science.


Unfortunately ... far too many do not 'believe' in what science states, and as a result, in their minds,it isn't true. The logic? I believe in Leprechauns.. thus they are real.

Having a brain is not a prerequisite to being a living entity. This fact is often reinforced by the blindly religious.

>> ^quantumushroom:
Man-made global warming is the biggest hoax--and crime--ever perpetrated on the human race. It's the same wealth and freedom-destroying socialist horsesh;t only wrapped in green tinfoil.
It wouldn't have gotten this far without egotistical half-wits like Al Snore given a spotlight, but more so from legions of Gaia-worshipping rabid enviro-mental-cases, who want to see all human life destroyed to "save Mother Earth".
"Bible-Man" may be delusional but he doesn't think he's God or feels qualified to rule others without question.
Unlike the statists.


Instead of being so angry about it, why not educate yourself? Global warming wouldn't have gotten this far without people muddying the waters and ignoring the science.

Man-made global warming is the biggest hoax--and crime--ever perpetrated on the human race. It's the same wealth and freedom-destroying socialist horsesh;t only wrapped in green tinfoil.

It wouldn't have gotten this far without egotistical half-wits like Al Snore given a spotlight, but more so from legions of Gaia-worshipping rabid enviro-mental-cases, who want to see all human life destroyed to "save Mother Earth".

"Bible-Man" may be delusional but he doesn't think he's God or feels qualified to rule others without question.

Unlike the statists.

Wow that is a good mix. Great use of RATATATATATAT (I never know when to stop).

I just can't believe this is real, I keep thinking it was all a big secret viral for Gaia Online.

>> ^doogle:
I bet "Addy" is a 45 year-old fat trucker who plays Gaia for 3 days straight on his days off.


You speak as if that's a bad thing.

I bet "Addy" is a 45 year-old fat trucker who plays Gaia for 3 days straight on his days off.

Obama will perform a seance to bring George Carlin back from the dead, to kill Carrot Top, thus opening the portal to the tenth dimension and unleashing the Cenobites on an unsuspecting American populace of obese Wal-Mart shoppers. Chaos will reign as EuroChina sends their robotic soldiers onto our shores in order to find the AllSpark, which is hidden inside the colon of George W. Bush. In order to protet the AllSpark, Bush assembles a team of teenagers from the early 90s, each of which has the power of Gaia that sends Captain Planet to the center of the earth, where he spins the axis and sends the Earth hurtling into the sun.

Oh, and Sarah Palin rips out John McCain's heart and devours it, thus gaining the Maverick Spirit used to fight Indiana Jones and liberal elitist media communists of Alpha Centauri.

Keanu. You are the white knight standing tall who speaks for us all.
For anyone who doesn't understand about the Gaia hypothesis theory, I suggest they educate themselves about the future here on Earth.Be a part of the solution.Looking forward to 'The day the earth stood still',
a certain reflection of our near future.

uhhhhh, bamboos a weed, try killing it and it retaliates-deforestation is inevitable, place will look like Tank Girl's romping ground soon anyhow, when the sun changes the climate as she always has....let Yellowstone pop...Gaia, ftw!