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The Incoherence of Atheism (Ravi Zacharias)
shinyblurry says...Okay, I will answer it under those terms. I will say though that you're not taking any ground, and your inability to tell me why anything is wrong is consistent with Ravis claim that atheism is incoherent.
My claim is that God is the source of morality. He gave us commands as to what we should or shouldn't do, and that is what is constituted as moral or immoral. It is also important to note that it stands apart from all human opinion as to what it should or shouldn't be.
Your question essentially is, how is Gods command to wipe out the Canaanite civilization, including the children, not inconsistent with His nature. Well, you could ask the same question about Sodom and Gomorrah, or Tyre, and other cities that God wiped out because of their disobedience. You could ask the same question about the flood which wiped out everyone in the world, men women and children except 8 people. The real question is, is it a crime for God to take life? If it is not a crime, it is not inconsistent with His nature.
The first thing to consider is that God is the giver and sustainer of all life. He does not make any guarantees concerning this, whether it be the amount of time lived or the quality of the life; life is a gift from Him and He determines when it begins and when it ends. He doesn't owe us anything. This is what Job realized when he said "the Lord gives and the Lord takes away. Blessed be the name of the Lord"
If you were to create a sentient robot, would it be a crime for you to shut it off? Well, God doesn't shut anyone off, but He does bring them into judgment. Every day 100,000 people die and all of them are headed for Gods judgment. Why He chose to end their lives at that particular time, I couldn't tell you. What I can tell you is that it is His prerogative.
Even still, the judgment of God doesn't fall for no reason. God judges us because we are sinners. The moment any person commits a sin they are under judgment and facing eternal punishment unless they have their sins forgiven through Jesus Christ. Whichever lives God took which were morally accountable to Him was just; it is only Gods mercy that He allows someone to the time to repent after they have sinned.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance
Now, even young children have sinned, but they are not morally accountable to God until they have reached a certain level of comprehension. However, whether they are morally accountable or not, or whether they have committed a crime or not, it is still Gods prerogative to take their life. Some children are born stillborn; why does God choose to take their life at that point? I couldn't tell you that, but I know that God has reasons for doing so.
We aren't always privy to those reasons. What we do know about Canaan is that He gave them 400 years to repent. The children who died which were morally accountable, if any, had a fair chance at receiving eternal life. Those who were not morally accountable will go to Heaven automatically. The conditions of this world are only temporary; the only way to gauge fairness is from the eternal perspective, and whether those involved had a chance to partake in eternal life or not.
Therefore from all of this I can conclude that it is not a crime for God to take life, and therefore His actions against the Canaanite civilization were not inconsistent with His nature.
@shinyblurry
I'm not claiming any moral high ground here. I'm just asking you to convince me that YOUR claim that the god of the Old Testament is a solid foundation for morality is correct.
So convince me.
How is Jehovah's inability to take a consistent stance on whether or not it is ok to butcher toddlers consistent with YOUR claim that God is a solid foundation for morality?
Now stop being a coward and give it your best shot.
101 Great Movie Villains
9547bis3:40 with the kids shooting guns --> City of God
4:54 with the shotgun --> Funny Games
5:17 the Asian gentleman yelling --> No idea!
Also:
* Darth blah blah from Phantom Menace a "great villain"? Seriously?
* As a side note, this is a very American-centric (and yoof-centric) selection. How about some Hong Kong or Japanese super-villains? for that matter, where are the early, and I would say iconic super-villains like "M" and Doctor Mabuse?
Texas Secession Rally
dagComment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)
Make sure you scramble the fighter jets out of Texas and roll the tanks and other equipment into New Mexico, before they secede - and then - don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you Tejas. Thanks for all the TexMex and Austin City Limits.
God forbid that a nation should try and provide health care for its people - by all means - GTFO of the country, if that offends.
Opening Scenes From City Of God
ThrobbinI too loved this film. Piqued my interest in Brazilian cinema.
If you like City of God, chances are you'd like this movie too - http://www.videosift.com/video/Carandiru-First-10-minutes-with-subtitles
Opening Scenes From City Of God
gtjwkq says...Being brazilian, one particular problem with our movies is how their language is usually "meant for export", so the dialogue sounds wierd and contrived to brazilian viewers.
That's not the case with City of God. What I enjoyed most about it is how real and convincing the language and most part of the acting performed by the kids was (maybe except for the characters in the 60's, which sound a bit too contemporary). The fact that they don't seem to be experienced in TV or theatrical acting, somehow actually helped.
Not that foreign viewers would notice, or care.
Guy Movies (Cinema Talk Post)
JAPRI love Falling Down and the City of God. Absolutely fantastic movies.
I also love women.
Especially when they make me dinner nom nom nom.
"Free" Will, God Style
smooman says...I find it slightly humorous you think me simple. It's evident that there really is no use in having a conversation with someone who has a hardon for blanket statements.
"And I hate it, me understanding you and all the other religious folks on the planet. You are simple"
I get it. You're jaded. We've all been there. Some abandon "faith" and some find renewal. That doesn't mean that either one of us is better than the other for it, however, it's painfully obvious that you think you are far superior than I because I still "believe in fairy tales".
Yes I've read the Bible in it's entirety. Many of the books I've read over and over.
Yes I've read non canonical books on theology. Tons of CS Lewis. Free Choice of the Will. City of God. The Gospel of James. Some OT Apocrypha in college and many, many more.
I was a theology major in college.
So who's guilty of presumptions? The difference is you went one way, I went another. That's it. Neither of us is more intellectually grounded than the other based on this.
But vent away, I'm listening.
This Is Not The Greatest Post In The World, No... (Mystery Talk Post)
alien_conceptFavourites
Creature - Orangutan
1) Season - Spring, nothing better than that fresh smell in the air after shitty winter is through
2) Place in the world - Paris has the most atmosphere
3) Children's book - Matilda by Roald Dahl
4) TV Series - Lost, Spaced, Skins
5) Word - flibbertygibbet
6) Film - Hundreds, but a couple would be Donnie Darko and City of God
7) Curse - prick, cockwipe
9) Past time - Finding fun stuff for my brats to do so I can do other fun stuff
10)Person - My friend, she's weird and fabulous in equal measure
Which one?
11) Dog or cat - Dogs, cat's are bastards. I have 2, i'm fully aware
12) Sweet or savoury - Savoury
13) Cereal or Toast - Cereal
14) Tan or pale - Tan
15) Shoes or barefoot - Barefoot even when inappropriate
16) Desktop or laptop - Desktop
17) Drive or walk - Drive
18) Drama or comedy - There is more good comedy than good drama around, but when you get a decent drama that would win
19) Sex or food - Sex, burn some calories. Food, stuff my face. Sex, sex sex, more food.
20) Futurama or Simpsons - Easily Futurama
The Sift
21) Your fave personal submission - Lately it would have to be this http://www.videosift.com/video/Colin-Farrell-on-Jonathon-Ross
22) A great comment on one of your vids - Hahaha...this bitch is dumb. She's so dumb that she doesn't realize that his work with the Beatles has given him the "free pass". He could pretty much murder her on stage and walk away, a free man, as long as he followed it up with "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make."
23) Most off the wall member - thepinky by far
24) Favourite user name - Octopussy, fissionchips
25) Your most used channel - Music
26) Personal dumbass moment - Completely missing the point of a post, giving it the large one with a comment about it, hence losing my mojo and making me temporarily want to die
27) Best avatar - Kulpim's old Star Trek avatar
28) Partner in crime - evil_disco obviously and a crush or two
29) Do people offline know of your sift problem- Yeahhh, my friends have no choice but be subjected to whatever i'm interested in at the time
30) Idea for the site - Removing some of siftbots comments would be great
About you
31) Where do you live - Dorset, UK
32) Smoker/non-smoker - Smoker, but barely
33) Left or right handed - Right
34) Hair colour - Dark brown
35) Relationship status - Single with affections
36) How tall - 5'4
37) Children - Two, girl 9 and boy nearly 6
38) Ever had an operation - yes, I have scars and everythin
39) Best feature - Personally i'd go with eyes
40) Use four words to describe yourself - stoner quit, still confused
If you could...what, who, when etc
41) Bring a famous person back from the dead - Oscar Wilde
42) Give 50 grand to any charity - UNICEF
43) Send someone on a one way ticket to the moon -
44) Relive a moment in your life - Finally managing to get my ex to fuck off
45) Have a superpower - Flight
46) Find out one thing you've always wanted to know - Is there life after death
47) Have the opposite gender deal with something you have to - Leaking copious amounts of breastmilk in public
48) Be president for one hour - Check the Area 51 files
49) Delete a period in history - The slave trade
50) Achieve one thing - To be a paramedic
Jose Saramago's reaction after premiere at Cannes 2008
aspartam>> ^neuralnoise:
Fernando Meirelles RULEZ! And so does Saramago´s work - pretty much everything he wrote.
City of God, by meirelles, is one of the best three brazilians movies ever made, and I´m really looking forward to seeing this one.
You should check out the sequel to City of God, City of Men. It's just as good as the first one. This director is so talented. I was fortunate enough to have a role in Blindness, and man, is this guy something. A genius, I say.
Jose Saramago's reaction after premiere at Cannes 2008
NeuralNoiseFernando Meirelles RULEZ! And so does Saramago´s work - pretty much everything he wrote.
City of God, by meirelles, is one of the best three brazilians movies ever made, and I´m really looking forward to seeing this one.
Seu Jorge sings Bowie: Lady Stardust (portuguese)
dajebussame guy as in city of god! best part of this movie are his covers. the rest was too dam hip for me.