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Kind of Story We Need Right Now - Mom Confronts Eagle

cloudballoon says...

Just another day of a typical Canuck mom in my country living in the woods. Move along, move along, no boobies to see here.

Also, birds aren't real. That Eagle is an American spycraft! Thanks for exposing this American illegal border crossing into my country just for boobies pics, Seth!

Official Trailer | She-Hulk: Attorney at Law | Disney+

cloudballoon says...

Unless it bombs at the theater! Oh wait, it's on Disney+.....

Love Maslany in Orphan Black. Gotta support a fellow canuck and an actress with serious acting chops. I'm all in on this.

Weak-ass dudes like me be damned. Hail to the lady in green!

BSR said:

Well, here it comes. The rise of the females. Were doomed gentlemen.

Free as f*** - The Canadian Centre for Diversity & Inclusion

eric3579 (Member Profile)

Zifnab says...

Those pesky Penguins won again... The Sharks had a good run, too bad they couldn't get a couple more wins. Hopefully they will be able to make another good run next year. I don't see my Canucks doing anything good next year so I'd be happy to see the Sharks win it .

Hockey Fights now available pre-game! Full-teams included!

MilkmanDan says...

You almost never hear of an NHL player being upset (in a litigation sort of way) about injuries they got that resulted from fighting (drop the gloves and throw punches).

In general, the one major incident I am aware of that resulted in legal action being taken against a player was when Todd Bertuzzi checked Steve Moore down the the ice from behind and then drove his head/neck into the ice with his stick in some heavy followup hits. This is mentioned in the wikipedia article @eric3579 posted, and hinted at in the article @RedSky posted from the Economist.

In that incident, Steve Moore (a lower-level player on the Colorado Avalanche) had hit Marcus Naslund (a star level player of the Vancouver Canucks) in a previous game. That hit was a fairly normal hockey hit -- Naslund had the puck, Moore intentionally hit him to try to separate him from the puck, but arguably led with his elbow to Naslund's head. It was a dangerous play, that should have be penalized (it wasn't) -- although I don't think Moore intended to cause injury. It is a fast game, sometimes you can't react quick enough to avoid a dangerous collision like that. Still, I think that kind of play should be penalized to make it clear to players that they need to avoid dangerous plays if possible. Steve Moore didn't have a history of dirty or dangerous play, but still.

Anyway, all of that dovetails in pretty nicely with my previous post, specifically about what leads to a "spontaneous fight". Moore, a 3-4th line guy (lower ranks of skill/ability on the team) hit star player Naslund. In almost ANY hockey game where that kind of thing happens, you can expect that somebody from the star's team is going to go over to the offending player and push them around, probably with the intent to fight them. Usually it happens right at the time of the incident, but here it was delayed to a following game between the two teams.

In the next game between Colorado and Vancouver, Moore got challenged by a Vancouver player early in the first period and fought him. But I guess that the lag time and injury to Naslund (he ended up missing 3 games) had brewed up more bad blood than that so many Vancouver players hadn't gotten it fully out of their systems. Later in the game, Todd Bertuzzi skated up behind Moore when he didn't have the puck, grabbed him and tailed him for several seconds trying to get him into a second fight, and when he didn't respond just hauled back and punched him in the back of the head.

Moore fell to the ice, where Bertuzzi piled on him and drove his head into the ice. A big scrum/dogpile ensued, with Moore on the bottom. As a result of that, Moore fractured 3 vertebrae in his neck, stretched or tore some neck ligaments, got his face pretty cut up, etc. Pretty severe injuries.

So, in comparison:
Moore (lesser skill) hit Naslund (high skill) resulting in a minor(ish) injury, that could have ended up being much worse. But, it was a legitimate hockey play that just happened to occur at a time when Naslund was vulnerable -- arguably no intent to harm/injure.
Bertuzzi hit Moore in a following game, after he had already "answered" for his hit on Naslund by fighting a Vancouver player. Bertuzzi punched him from behind and followed up with further violence, driving his head into the ice and piling on him, initiating a dogpile. Not even close to a legitimate hockey play, well away from the puck, and with pretty clear intent to harm (maybe not to injure, but to harm).


Moore sued Bertuzzi, his team (the Canucks), and the NHL. Bertuzzi claimed that his coach had put a "bounty" on Moore, and that he hadn't intended to injure him -- just to get back at him for his hit on Naslund. Bertuzzi was suspended for a fairly long span of time, and his team was fined $250,000. The lawsuit was kind of on pause for a long time to gauge the long-term effects on Moore, but was eventually settled out of court (confidential terms).

All of this stuff is or course related to violence in hockey, but only loosely tied to fighting in hockey. Some would argue (with some merit in my opinion) that if the refs had called a penalty on Moore's hit on Naslund, and allowed a Vancouver player to challenge him to a fight at that time instead of the following game, it probably wouldn't have escalated to the level it did.

So, at least in my opinion, the league (NHL) needs to be careful, consistent, and fairly harsh in handing out penalties/suspensions to players who commit dangerous plays that can or do result in injuries -- especially repeat offenders. BUT, I think that allowing fighting can actually help mitigate that kind of stuff also -- as long as the league keeps it from getting out of hand and the enforcer type players continue to follow their "code".

eric3579 (Member Profile)

Terrorism is over

No, Avril, just...just stop...

eric3579 (Member Profile)

Zifnab says...

Don't know them, but it's good to see they are wearing appropriate safety gear (goalie pads). Let me know if you re-post it was worth a laugh

Canucks had some class there, but it was a disastrous season. Gotta do some house cleaning this off-season. Good luck to your Sharks vs the Kings, that should be a good series.

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What Vancouver sounded like when Team Canada won gold in OT

eric3579 (Member Profile)

Zifnab says...

I saw that yesterday, Teenage Mutant Ninja Hertl! That fourth goal of his was fantastic. The Sharks are in town tomorrow to play the Canucks, hopefully we'll be able to break the streak since your Sharks have had our number for a while now.

eric3579 said:

btw did you happen to see the new rookie Sharks players epic performance and shot last night. GO GO SHARKS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMw4nksG7UQ

Police Safety Video From The 80s

Police Safety Video From The 80s

Police Safety Video From The 80s



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