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The Most Costly Joke in History
transmorpher says...Well there you go, even Wikipedia says dogfights haven't existed for some 25 years
So the F-35 doesn't need to have maneuverability as it's primary design feature.
I think I see why we are disagreeing - we have differing definitions of dogfights, if you read the air battle encounters from the gulf war you'll see that it wasn't dogfighting in the traditional sense where planes are doing all sorts of fancy aerobatics to try to use guns on each other like WW1.
(And wikipedia has this defintion problem too because it seems to call all air engagements a dogfight).
It was all BFM at a fairly long ranges in the order of 10 miles. (which is considered close range, since a plane takes several miles to make a turn at high speed).
Not one guns kill in the air. A few close range missile kills, but mostly long range AIM7's. (well techinically it's called medium range, but it's it's still like 20-30miles).
There's a good reason why fighter planes carry one about 7 seconds worth of bullets, and only 2 close range missiles vs 6+ long range missiles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_engagements_of_the_Gulf_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogfight
Dogfighting first appeared during World War I, shortly after the invention of the airplane. Until at least 1992, it was a component in every major war, despite beliefs after World War II that increasingly greater speeds and longer range weapons would make dogfighting obsolete.
In the Gulf War of 1990–91, dogfighting once again proved its usefulness when the Coalition Air Force had to face off against the Iraqi Air Force, which at the time was the fifth largest in the world. Many dogfights occurred during the short conflict, often involving many planes. By the end of January, 1991, the term "furball" became a popular word to describe the hectic situation of many dogfights, occurring at the same time within the same relatively small airspace. Oh, fun fact, most of those planes 'dogfighting' in that 'relatively small airspace' were F15's...
But you can ignore that if you want. I mean, ACM schools that teach dogfighting even today probably don't exist...
Consequences of war
grspecI don't have a problem with it becuase it is not snuff. I say return it. I have been debating on posting some WWII dogfight vids that show some really awesome air battles but of course, the guy in the other plane is getting killed. Sooner or later i think we are going to need a tag similar to nsfw for death.