>> ^Opus_Moderandi:

>> ^RadHazG:
As much as I want to respect her statements her God comes from her bible, and unfortunately her God doesn't love anywhere near unconditionally. The entire thing is riddled with some very explicit conditions.

Precisely. If god loved unconditionally, why were Adam & Eve thrown out of the garden of Eden?
That's not to say I'm against Ms. O'Connor's purpose...


I think for me the point is, she's got a healthy attitude towards her faith. She recognises that you can cut through all the bullshit and still have the same values. And I love that she's spent years trying to bring them down, without losing sight of that, she's wonderful.

>> ^RadHazG:

As much as I want to respect her statements her God comes from her bible, and unfortunately her God doesn't love anywhere near unconditionally. The entire thing is riddled with some very explicit conditions.


Precisely. If god loved unconditionally, why were Adam & Eve thrown out of the garden of Eden?
That's not to say I'm against Ms. O'Connor's purpose...

"Are you Sarah Connor?"

This is just the first step to creating the Destructicons/Devistator. Cybertron is really Earth in the distant future after the machines take over. Sorry about that John Connor.

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>> ^NetRunner:
For example, does Judge Judy deserve to make vastly more money than Sandra Day O'Connor?
They both knew the rules of the game, and one of them is in greater compliance with those rules. However, most wealth is created by being savvy, rather than getting lucky as an athlete or an entertainer.
>> ^NetRunner:
This is just a restatement of the libertarian assumption, not really an argument for its veracity.
That seems like trying to distinguish 'making an argument' from 'making an argument'. Aren't your positions simply a restatement of the liberal assumption?
>> ^NetRunner:
Is Sandra Day O'Connor weighed down from success by her "predictably bad ideology"?
She's just one more government bureaucrat, and probably has a terrible personal life and terrible general intellectual life beyond law. She willingly chose a limited (but still extraordinary) path, knowing the range of outcomes that could occur, so she deserves whatever she gets.


Here's the type of deal I'd be happy to commit to: If people like this http://videosift.com/video/Spring-Break-Couple-Dance-Fail bring sports, alcohol, smoking & drug consumption, and protesting (http://videosift.com/video/G20-Protest-that-was-Stolen-from-the-Peaceful-Majority?loadcomm=1#comment-1028436) down to 10% of current levels, start reading at least 1000 science articles per year, getting rigorous exercise daily, and eating a paleo diet, I'll agree to re-distribute the fruits of my labor.

Last part first, since I obviously need to clarify what I meant.

>> ^chilaxe:
I've spent around 1/3 of my life living beneath the poverty line. I understand the value of a dollar.


I didn't mean that you've never known poverty directly, but that you claimed to have never seen any sort of economic injustice -- never seen someone undeservedly rich, nor undeservedly poor. I spent most of my childhood surrounded by (alternatively) the undeservedly rich, and the undeservedly poor. There were a few who clearly deserved where they ended up, but they seemed the exception to me, not the rule.

For example, does Judge Judy deserve to make vastly more money than Sandra Day O'Connor?

>> ^chilaxe:

That's really a big part of inequality... some folks tap their own depths, and other folks wait for others to tap their depths for them.
When we say people are unable to better their situations, we don't mean they're physically incapable of it... we mean they're ideologically incapable of it. They can't make the sacrifices I make because they're ideologically incapable of doing so. They must watch sports, make bad sexual and marriage decisions, and must generally waste their time in innumerable ways because their ideology is ineffective and they won't change.

[snip]

It seems backwards to ask us to subsidize other people's predictably bad ideologies.

This is just a restatement of the libertarian assumption, not really an argument for its veracity.

Is Sandra Day O'Connor weighed down from success by her "predictably bad ideology"? Is she watching too much sports, making bad sexual and marriage decisions, and wasting her time in innumerable ways?


>> ^chilaxe:
I find the moral to be that short-term thinkers suck.
I agree, that is the apparent intended moral of the story. But what about the questions I raised about what it has to say on the topic of social justice?

I think it's safe to say we both agree that superior resource planning should be encouraged over no planning or inferior planning, but that's a pragmatic question, and not one of the moral weight involved in economic distribution.

Ha! I remember watching that live, something I'd long supressed. Cyndy O'Lauper is actually the wonderful Hazel O'Connor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MMl3-1Q2yI

Drunken robot stumbles methodically towards Sarah Connor...film at 11.

Timberjack Walking Machine hunts trees/Sarah Connor.

Seriously whats up with the walking? Is there some sort of terrain out there that that thing can traverse only with legs and not with tank tracks?

>> ^aceofkidneys:

She may as well just said it, instead of pretending to sing it.


What is this, fucking American Idol?

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As I said.

*promote

I reckon she was incapable of singing or saying it. The anger and frustration she must have been going through at that point; she just about managed to spit it out

>> ^aceofkidneys:

She may as well just said it, instead of pretending to sing it.

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