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Not only was your prior argument fallacious, but I refuted it. Now you're ignoring that and cherry picking your replies here. Seems pretty intellectually dishonest to me?

Alright, Ill answer your "refutations" then:

"Why shouldn't you suspect that decay rates could change?"

If you read my post, I explained why : Because there is no evidence that suggest it is changing, and no known physical mechanisms that can produce such change. The moon could suddenly start orbiting the other direction relative to earth tomorrow, but there is no signs, no evidence, that suggests or implies that it will, and also physics dont allow it unless it is pushed or pulled by some very large force etc.
Bottom line, change in the decay rate is an assumption of something for which there is no evidence. Thats why scientists dont waste their time suspecting this.

As for the line "absense of evidence is not evidence of absense". Well thats a poetic thing and all, but its not really true when you think about it for a little bit: for the most part, this is how we exclude things from our reality, and separate what is real or not. It is perfectly consistent to say "I really dont think this thing exist" while remaining, in principle, open minded. There might be green hairy monsters hiding under my bed, I can never know for absolute certain, but I dont THINK so, the absense of evidence convinces me there are none.

The same is true in say, particle physics, there may be thousands of different "higgs-bosons" of different kinds doing all sorts of crazy shit in physics, but again, in the absense of evidence... you cant just build your ideas around fantasies.

Do you know the geologic column doesn't actually exist in reality?
Are you alking about illustrations of the geologic column? Then yeah, I'm aware that it doesnt look like that in real-life, but the term is definately real, and yes, erosion and things like that can expose old layers to fresh air, this is of course well know in biology and geology. When I say fossils are layed down in order, I dont mean that they are all physically on top of eachother, but that the dating of the layers match with the kind of animals found in that era. IE: there are no "fossil rabbits in the pre-cambrian" as one biologist replied when asked what would truly disprove evolution.


Caylor: "Do you believe that the information evolved?"

MB: "George, nobody I know in my profession believes it evolved. It was engineered by genius beyond genius, and such information could not have been written any other way. The paper and ink did not write the book! Knowing what we know, it is ridiculous to think otherwise."

Hahaha, if that was said by an actual molecular biologist capable of finding his own ass, I'll eat my hat. This is so obviously Creo-speak from here on to hell. The first thing an actual biologist would do would be to question the use of the word "information" (I'm assuming he's asking about the information contained in DNA) in this context. Because we refer to DNA as a language and "it contains all the information needed to assemble a human" and so on, Creationists think of DNA as some sort of literary masterpiece, it seems. The truth is of course that its 4 acids spelling 95% repetetive gibberish intersped with some interesting bits that code for proteins and do actual useful stuff.

They also seems to think that (perhaps because they believe it themselves) humans existed from the get-go, and that DNA somehow evolved inside us or some shit like that. (Like one creationist who asked Richard Dawkins how we humans peed before our penises and vaginas evolved..) Anyway, like our penises, our DNA is of course much older than humans themselves, We are simply the latest iterations of a nearly endless line of attemps by nucleic acids to clone themselves by way of making an animal that does the reproduction.

I highly suspect that interview was faked by creationists , but even if it wasnt, it'd just mean that there's a molecular biologist out there who doesnt know fuck all about molecular biology and hold some strange beliefs, and he's wrong. Simple as that.


You then have the obligatory list of quotations, and what can I say?.. I can see how you think these are somehow indicating a plot or something against creationist, but honestly this is just plain quotemining.

@ChaosEngine

Oh sweet irony, I'm being called wilfully ignorant by a young-earther.

I'm not going to refute you. I don't need to; @BicycleRepairMan has already done an excellent job of it.

An excellent refutation? He cherry picked one sentence out of my reply, a reply where I had demonstrated the fallacy of his argument from incredulity by proving his assumption of the constancy of radioactive decay rates was nothing more than the conventional wisdom of our times. Is this what passes for logical argumentation in your mind? He posited a fallacious argument. I exposed the fallacy. He ignored the refutation and cherry picked his reply. You seem to be showing that in your eagerness to agree with everything which is contrary to my position that you have a weak filter on information which supports your preconceived ideas. Why is it that a skeptic is always pathologically skeptical of everything except his own positions, I wonder?

@BicycleRepairMan

...and to see an exampe of such a racket, check the flood "geology" link.

Seriously, you cant see the blinding irony in your own words? So, things like radiometric dating, fossils, geology, astronomy, chemistry, biology are all just parts of a self-perpetuating racket confirming each others conclusions in a big old circlejerking conspiracy of astronomical proportions.. well, lets assume then that it is. So they are basically chasing the foregone conclusion that the universe is over 13 billion years old and that life on this planet emerged some 3,6 billion years ago and has evolved ever since. But where did these wild conclusions come from? Who established the dogma that scientists seems to mindlessly work to confirm, and why? And why 13,72 billion years then? Why not 100 billion years, or 345 million years?

The thing is, what you have here is an alleged "crime" with no incentives, no motivation.. Why on earth would all the worlds scientists, depentently and independently and over many generations converge to promote a falsehood of no significance to anyone? it might make some kind of sense if someones doctrine was threatened unless the world was exactly 13.72 billion years old. Or if someone believed they were going to hell unless they believed trilobites died out 250 million years ago.. The thing is, nobody believes that.

The truth is pretty much staring you in the face right here. The conclusions of science on things like the age of the earth emerged gradually; Darwin, and even earlier naturalists had no idea of the exact age of the earth, or even a good approximation, but they did figure this much: It must be very, very old. So old that it challenged their prior beliefs and assumptions about a god-created world as described in their holy book. And thats were nearly all scientists come from: They grew up and lived in societies that looked to holy books , scripture and religion for the answers, and everybody assumed they had proper answers until the science was done.If scientists were corrupt conspirators working to preserve dogma, they be like Kent Hovind or Ken Ham. Ignoring vast mountains of facts and evidence, and focus on a few distorted out-of-context quotations to confirm what they already "know".

Not only was your prior argument fallacious, but I refuted it. Now you're ignoring that and cherry picking your replies here. Seems pretty intellectually dishonest to me? In any case, I'll reply to what you've said here. I was going to get into the technical issues concerning why scientists believe the Universe is so old, and the history of the theory, but so far you have given me no reason to believe that any of it will be carefully considered.

Instead I'll answer with a portion of an article I found, which was printed in "The Ledger" on Feb 17th 2000. It's interview of a molecular biologist who wanted to remain anonymous

Caylor: "Do you believe that the information evolved?"

MB: "George, nobody I know in my profession believes it evolved. It was engineered by genius beyond genius, and such information could not have been written any other way. The paper and ink did not write the book! Knowing what we know, it is ridiculous to think otherwise."

Caylor: "Have you ever stated that in a public lecture, or in any public writings?"

MB: "No, I just say it evolved. To be a molecular biologist requires one to hold onto two insanities at all times:
One, it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself.
Two, it would be insane to say you don't believe evolution. All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectures -- everything would stop. I'd be out of a job, or relegated to the outer fringes where I couldn't earn a decent living.”

Caylor: “I hate to say it, but that sounds intellectually dishonest.”

MB: “The work I do in genetic research is honorable. We will find the cures to many of mankind's worst diseases. But in the meantime, we have to live with the elephant in the living room.”

Caylor: “What elephant?”

MB: “Creation design. It's like an elephant in the living room. It moves around, takes up space, loudly trumpets, bumps into us, knocks things over, eats a ton of hay, and smells like an elephant. And yet we have to swear it isn't there!”

Here are some selected quotes:

We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.

Richard Lewontin

"In China its O.K. to criticize Darwin but not the government, while in the United States its O.K. to criticize the government, but not Darwin."

Dr. J.Y. Chen,

Chinese Paleontologist

Even if all the data point to an intelligent designer, such an hypothesis is excluded from science because it is not naturalistic."

S. C. Todd,
Correspondence to Nature 410(6752):423, 30 Sept. 1999

"Because there are no alternatives, we would almost have to accept natural selection as the explanation of life on this planet even if there were no evidence for it."

Steven Pinker,
Professor of Psychology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, USA., "How the Mind Works," [1997]

"Biologists are simply naive when they talk about experiments designed to test the theory of evolution. It is not testable. They may happen to stumble across facts which would seem to conflict with its predictions. These facts will invariably be ignored and their discoverers will undoubtedly be deprived of continuing research grants."

Professor Whitten,
Professor of Genetics, University of Melbourne, Australia, 1980 Assembly Week address.

"Science is not so much concerned with truth as it is with consensus. What counts as truth is what scientists can agree to count as truth at any particular moment in time. [Scientists] are not really receptive or not really open-minded to any sorts of criticisms or any sorts of claims that actually are attacking some of the established parts of the research (traditional) paradigm, in this case neo-Darwinism. So it is very difficult for people who are pushing claims that contradict that paradigm to get a hearing. They find it hard to [get] research grants; they find it hard to get their research published; they find it very hard."

Prof. Evelleen Richards,
Historian of Science at the University of NSW, Australia

Speaks for itself, I think..

>> ^EMPIRE:

>> ^ant:
>> ^EMPIRE:
i've tried it. it's great lol. And works very nicely, but it's a free for all, with no objectives (at least not so far)

Is it available on PC/Windows? I have been out of the recent gaming news these days.

It's ONLY available on PC. It's a non-official patch or mod. Here's the site: http://www.jc-mp.com/
Try it It's really easy to install.
Quick note: If, like me, you have the game on Steam, and the mod launcher doesn't seem to do anything, it may be because you usually launch Steam as Administrator, so you need to launch the mod as administrator as well, and it will work nicely.


Oh wow. I thought it was a console only. I will have to check it out whenever I get free time (that's a problem these days). I hope it runs well on my old PC with ATI Radeon 4870 video card (512 MB of RAM), Windows XP Pro. SP3, etc.

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>> ^mintbbb:

I like it
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Thanks MB! (which is also the abbreviation for Manitoba!)

^References:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Canadian_Mint#Winnipeg_facility

http://suite101.com/article/mennonites-in-manitoba-a32031

http://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/floodinfo/floodoutlook/floodresponse.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlake – (where the video was shot) "As of 1999, the average family income was $32,570, and the unemployment rate was 10.60%. Twenty-two per cent of the riding's residents are listed as low-income. Almost 25% of the riding's residents have less than a Grade 9 education."

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470 MB HQ video capture ftp://ftp.untergrund.net/users/hellfire/future_crew-second_reality-1993.mp4 from http://pouet.net/topic.php?which=8626&page=1&x=30&y=13 ... This also includes the ending credits with its awesome soundtrack unlike YouTube!

>> ^obscenesimian:

>> ^Shepppard:
>> ^obscenesimian:
>> ^luxury_pie:
>> ^obscenesimian:
Wow, what a tard. 50 below and he decides to ride his snow machine or atv.

wtf? empathy much?

No empathy here. As you can see by the condition of his finger tips, he was riding a snow machine or atv and froze his fingers where the knuckles faced the wind, leaving the finger tips less damaged. Like avalanche deaths from high marking or any other sort of motorized idiocy, this behavior is only worthy of scorn. If his children suffer because he cannot work, I will exhibit empathy and perhaps charity.

Here, have a picture of where Churchill Manitoba (where he's from) is located.
Now, you're American, so you most likely don't understand how Canadian population density works, but the farther north you get, the lower the populations.
And the lower the populations, the more likely it is that they don't have snow plows, and need to do things like use snowmobiles to get into town if they need supplies.
Until you have all the facts, how about not being an ass and giving the benefit of the doubt? Because most likely, he only rode because he had to.

Wow, Lotta hate going on. Anyone who fucking lives and works outside where it goes to 50 below should know that sitting on your ass creating your own windchill will give you frostbite. Plowing does not occur 40 to 60 miles an hour. At 50 below and high rates of speed heated grips don't work to keep ALL of ones hand warm . All of you fucking desk monkeys know jack shit! This type of frostbite happens to people involved in "Recreational Activities" now be good little nerds and fuck off.


How bout you read my post again carefully?

I never said HE was the one plowing, and if I did, why the fuck would he be doing it on something with an open cab.

Exactly what I said was: "IN THE NORTH, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE PLOWS, AND HE POTENTIALLY HAD TO USE A SNOWMOBILE TO GET INTO TOWN"

Nowhere is there ANY information as to why he was riding a snowmobile, but if it's 50 below, there's a pretty good fucking chance that he wasn't doing it recreationally, and until stated otherwise, once again, how about we stop assuming and have a little bit of sympathy?

>> ^Shepppard:

>> ^obscenesimian:
>> ^luxury_pie:
>> ^obscenesimian:
Wow, what a tard. 50 below and he decides to ride his snow machine or atv.

wtf? empathy much?

No empathy here. As you can see by the condition of his finger tips, he was riding a snow machine or atv and froze his fingers where the knuckles faced the wind, leaving the finger tips less damaged. Like avalanche deaths from high marking or any other sort of motorized idiocy, this behavior is only worthy of scorn. If his children suffer because he cannot work, I will exhibit empathy and perhaps charity.

Here, have a picture of where Churchill Manitoba (where he's from) is located.
Now, you're American, so you most likely don't understand how Canadian population density works, but the farther north you get, the lower the populations.
And the lower the populations, the more likely it is that they don't have snow plows, and need to do things like use snowmobiles to get into town if they need supplies.
Until you have all the facts, how about not being an ass and giving the benefit of the doubt? Because most likely, he only rode because he had to.


Wow, Lotta hate going on. Anyone who fucking lives and works outside where it goes to 50 below should know that sitting on your ass creating your own windchill will give you frostbite. Plowing does not occur 40 to 60 miles an hour. At 50 below and high rates of speed heated grips don't work to keep ALL of ones hand warm . All of you fucking desk monkeys know jack shit! This type of frostbite happens to people involved in "Recreational Activities" now be good little nerds and fuck off.

>> ^obscenesimian:

>> ^luxury_pie:
>> ^obscenesimian:
Wow, what a tard. 50 below and he decides to ride his snow machine or atv.

wtf? empathy much?

No empathy here. As you can see by the condition of his finger tips, he was riding a snow machine or atv and froze his fingers where the knuckles faced the wind, leaving the finger tips less damaged. Like avalanche deaths from high marking or any other sort of motorized idiocy, this behavior is only worthy of scorn. If his children suffer because he cannot work, I will exhibit empathy and perhaps charity.


Here, have a picture of where Churchill Manitoba (where he's from) is located.

Now, you're American, so you most likely don't understand how Canadian population density works, but the farther north you get, the lower the populations.

And the lower the populations, the more likely it is that they don't have snow plows, and need to do things like use snowmobiles to get into town if they need supplies.

Until you have all the facts, how about not being an ass and giving the benefit of the doubt? Because most likely, he only rode because he had to.

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