I'm moving this to your profile or else the troll wins.

I see what you're getting at, and it's arguable that I came on too strong, but I think you're missing that we generally know the difference between a different opinion from ours and trolling. bk33 can criticize and vent his vitriolic bile as much as any of us (I'm including myself in that category), and I don't think there's anybody here who has a problem with that. There aren't many vocal conservatives on the Sift, but there are some (Chilaxe comes to mind), and as long as they know how to carry on a discussion, there's little issue. Tempers flare, of course, but nobody seriously thinks they're trolling, just wrong, and that's great. But bk33 contributes nothing. And I don't mean he contributes nothing to my side of the argument -- I mean he leaves the place measurably worse than when he found it.

About CrushBug's comment. He's just venting. He didn't make any claims at all, let alone unsubstantiated ones, unless you mean about renaming The Government of Canada to "The Harper Government", which Harper has actually really done. Google it. So I think you're not seeing the qualitative difference between CrushBug's comments and bk33's.

Real mobs kill people. We just happen to outnumber him. We can't hurt or even remotely silence him.

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Sometimes there is such intolerance of opposition in opinion here at the Sift. When your typical liberal Sifter decries the greed of the private sector, vilifies "big business" and slams Fox News, it is hailed throughout the ranks as a battle cry, but when bobknight33 suggests the inefficiency of government-controlled industry and criticizes MSNBC, he is bombarded by the mob with accusations of naivety, not substantiating his remarks and being a "troll." For instance, take a post like CrushBug's -- "Fucking Harper. I am glad they have spent the time and money to change the name of the gov't to "The Harper Government" so once this horrible aberration of politics is voted out we can easily identify and kill this kind of evil bullshit." This is the quintessence of unsubstantiated, ad hominem attack. Yet it is met with resounding approval and hardy back slaps aplenty, buoyed up by the inertia of the throng.

Sometimes there is such intolerance of opposition in opinion here at the Sift. When your typical liberal Sifter decries the greed of the private sector, vilifies "big business" and slams Fox News, it is hailed throughout the ranks as a battle cry, but when bobknight33 suggests the inefficiency of government-controlled industry and criticizes MSNBC, he is bombarded by the mob with accusations of naivety, not substantiating his remarks and being a "troll." For instance, take a post like CrushBug's -- "Fucking Harper. I am glad they have spent the time and money to change the name of the gov't to "The Harper Government" so once this horrible aberration of politics is voted out we can easily identify and kill this kind of evil bullshit." This is the quintessence of unsubstantiated, ad hominem attack. Yet it is met with resounding approval and hardy back slaps aplenty, buoyed up by the inertia of the throng.

"You didn't want to come. The average man don't like trouble and danger. YOU don't like trouble and danger. But if only HALF a man—like Buck Harkness, there—shouts 'Lynch him! lynch him!' you're afraid to back down—afraid you'll be found out to be what you are—COWARDS—and so you raise a yell, and hang yourselves on to that half-a-man's coat-tail, and come raging up here, swearing what big things you're going to do. The pitifulest thing out is a mob; that's what an army is—a mob; they don't fight with courage that's born in them, but with courage that's borrowed from their mass, and from their officers. But a mob without any MAN at the head of it is BENEATH pitifulness. Now the thing for YOU to do is to droop your tails and go home and crawl in a hole. If any real lynching's going to be done it will be done in the dark, Southern fashion; and when they come they'll bring their masks, and fetch a MAN along."
-Mark Twain

>> ^messenger:

Dear all,
Stop feeding the troll please. bobknight33 is a troll, and his claims in this thread are wrong or cannot be substantiated. We all know that. I understand that "Someone's wrong on the Internet" is considered an emergency that requires your intervention, but really, it's not. bk33 has no influence here other than to disrupt threads, and it's you who give him that power by responding.
Ignoring is having the last word.
Thank you.

damn Canada... you used to be so cool.... These harper boys... they're fucking you into horrible land.

Fucking Harper. I am glad they have spent the time and money to change the name of the gov't to "The Harper Government" so once this horrible aberration of politics is voted out we can easily identify and kill this kind of evil bullshit.

shit is fucking wack in canada right now. cenk is clearly uninformed on how crazy fucked up kitten eating harper is.

Hurray! Canada gets rid of the penny!

- We also got rid of 19,200 jobs! (1)
- Increased the retirement age to 67 years old for eligibility to receive pensioners. (2)
- Slashed funding to the elections Canada (on the eve of investigations into election fraud!) /Source.
- Scaled back of youth programs including the elimination of the Katimavik work exchange program.
- The news organization most capable of reporting on government actions and fraud is severely cut. (3)

And, it spite of all the cuts due to overspending, we're still committed to purchasing several F-35 JSF "White Elephants" from war profiteers, Lockheed Martin. Link.
Canadians taxpayers are still paying 31 Billion to serve the INTEREST on outstanding debt to private banks. (4)
Universities continue to be so underfunded that 200,000 students protested in the streets of Montreal last month. (5)


(1) This would be equivalent of Obama suddenly eliminating about 180,000 public servant jobs in the United States if scaled for population.
(2) Except for politicians, who can still begin to receive their pension as early as 55 until after the next election. info!
(3) The CBC takes budget nosedive on the chin. Link.
(4) And who benefits from that interest payment? Surely not the same people who contribute to political campaigns!! Harper unwilling to actually cut spending.
(5) http://videosift.com/video/Montreal-Students-Protest-Timelapse-March-22-2012

But, hey, at least we got rid of the penny!!
Focus on the shiny coin!

I think any of our top 3 political parties in Canada is capable of resorting to this tactic. The Conservatives certainly wanted a clear majority in the last election, the Liberals were frustrated as the opposition and the NDP was just hoping to do better than the Bloc. Who would have thought the NDP would do so well and the Libs and Bloc so poorly.

I don't believe any of the spokesperson's statements. It's all for show, they are probably kept in the dark intentionally so that when it finally does come out they can say they were making statements that were truthful based on the information they had at the time. It's a despicable mess in Canada. These guys are clearly being evasive when transparency and accountability is the only way to satisfy critically thinking voters. The Canadians in the Conservative Bubble have probably made up their minds that their party is innocent.

Harper is such an ass, I hope this comes back and bites him in it.

God I hope the Conservative party burn for this and I hope it's soon. The sooner they can get Harper out, the sooner they can start fixing Canada

>> ^Fletch:

So what was prize? Wouldn't it be cool if they bet each other's countries and we could all be Canadian, just like that? Yeah, that would be real cool, eh? Or get Harper and Obama to have matches in both DC and Toronto. It could be North America's Hunger Games. The tiebreaker, if needed, could be in Wasilla, which is practically Russia and therefore neutral territory. We'd have to keep Putin from wanting in on the action, because he would just PWN, eh. Anyway, I'd rather be a Canuck. I've been living off of Super-sized #4s (with a Diet Coke to cancel out the guilt) and Iced Animal Cookies for years and I'm aboot ready for the free heart I could get as a Canadian. And my touk could be used for more than just looking pretty in the mirror at home.


It's spelled toque.

So what was prize? Wouldn't it be cool if they bet each other's countries and we could all be Canadian, just like that? Yeah, that would be real cool, eh? Or get Harper and Obama to have matches in both DC and Toronto. It could be North America's Hunger Games. The tiebreaker, if needed, could be in Wasilla, which is practically Russia and therefore neutral territory. We'd have to keep Putin from wanting in on the action, because he would just PWN, eh. Anyway, I'd rather be a Canuck. I've been living off of Super-sized #4s (with a Diet Coke to cancel out the guilt) and Iced Animal Cookies for years and I'm aboot ready for the free heart I could get as a Canadian. And my touk could be used for more than just looking pretty in the mirror at home.

Some more info...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/robo-calls-warrant-huge-investigation-former-harper-aide-says/article2372338/

It's making me sick. At one point in my life after doing some travelling I realized I could live anywhere I wanted, and I came back home (to Canada) because it was the best place I could think of. This government is destroying that. The thing is, they're going to wait until we blink and then this whole thing will disappear.

Check this out: http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/harper-government-secretly-reverses-pledge-not-use-info-obtained-torture

I wouldnt expect much more from Stev-o Harper and his asshats.

In reply to this comment by notarobot:
Just noticed the nod. Much thanks!
In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
*promote this *quality rant.

Harper's Watergate moment? Frankly I doubt it- they've probably got so many layers of "plausible deniability" built into this thing, but this is the most disturbing story in Canadian politics in my lifetime.


Cheers.

Just noticed the nod. Much thanks!
In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
*promote this *quality rant.

Harper's Watergate moment? Frankly I doubt it- they've probably got so many layers of "plausible deniability" built into this thing, but this is the most disturbing story in Canadian politics in my lifetime.