My inability to spell "purposely" when I was 13 has absolutely nothing to do with my ability to lead in case the President is incapacitated! That is sexist, and I demand you retract that vitriolic statement!

>> ^Fjnbk:
I won my seventh grade spelling bee, and that must count for more. Vote Fjnbk for President 2016!

You think Obama has been vetted? By whom? The only thing about Obama that has been under the microscope is his personal life before politics. The media has spoken about his mother and his place of birth and his religion and his skin color and his wife until they were blue in the face.

Just because people are comfortable with him, doesn't mean they know anything about him. It's because he won the popularity contest that is the DNC by first landing in the good graces of the media.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1828309,00.html

Again, I don't like McCain and I know that there are people out there that are much more qualified to be VP than Palin.

Obama favors "pay-as-you-go" accounting so new spending or tax cuts are offset by program cuts or increased revenue, but he hasn't said how he would pay for all his tax proposals.

One thing in particular eats at me: How is he going to pay for universal-health-care and all his other promises? Is he going to give us all heath care by the time he leaves office? WHEN he doesn't make that happen, are the democrats going to hold him accountable?

What about the $482 Billion deficit? He's gonna save the American economy by cutting taxes, providing $300 Billion in guarantees for mortgage renegotiations, providing universal-health care and still, somehow, he'll manage to pay down the deficit?

All these promises have been vetted?



>> ^NetRunner:
>> ^deedub81:
@Fjnbk:
Yep. That's the difference. We haven't had an opportunity to vote for or against Palin. That's how it works.
The fact that Obama has campaigned longer doesn't mean he has more experience.

The bit about voting has become something of a lefty talking point, but saying "Everyone in the world has been vetting Obama since he declared his candidacy in January of 2007, and a majority of primary voters still chose him" is still a pretty sound argument that Americans have reached a comfort level with his ability to lead.
Add in that his campaign has employed more people, and commanded a larger budget than the Governor's office has, and the argument gets stronger still. Then consider that the Governor will naturally be focused on state-level concerns, while the Obama campaign has had to respond to questions about every area of the political landscape, from affirmative action to trade relations with China, and it gets stronger still.
Palin is unknown to most people, no one selected her in a primary, and the election is 62 days from now. McCain is 72 years old, with a medical history that includes cancer -- if he dies, she'll be President. What do we know about her?
Not a lot, and in just 4 days, the press has found quite a bit to be concerned about.

>> ^MrConrads:
Found this article about Palin. Scary stuff and worth a read.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/02/1327574.aspx

"shes a disciple of jesus christ before shes a mayor"
"god's will has to be done in unifying people to get that gas pipeline built"
"our national leaders are sending them out on a task for god" (talking about iraq)
“Ben, I don't know you well enough yet, but looking at you, I'm thinking, people are going to interested in Jesus Christ through you because of the way you look - this red-headed Sasquatch for Jesus. You look good!”


jesus christ the video in that link scares me.

her son has a tattoo of the map of alaska and a jesus fish. wtf is wrong with this family.

>> ^dag:
^ And speaking of Voldemort - James Carville bears a striking resemblance.


With the talking head on the right playing the part of Wormtail. Should've never decursed that Scabbers!

Hitler would approve of this fascist Nazi thread. This is the blue-eyed, blond-haired darling of the Third Reich.

Hitler Eichmann SS Cheney Auschwitz!

>> ^dag:
^ I'm really enjoying this thread. Let's not Godwin it ... I feel a reference to you-know-who coming ...

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
>> ^jwray:
Sarah Palin is an ignorant fundamentalist who caused her youngest child to get down syndrome by having him too late in her life. BR>
That has to be the most crazy thing I have ever heard.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Trisomy21_graph.jpg

It's wrong to cause human suffering intentionally or through gross negligence. 43 is too old to safely have kids. The chance of the child of a 43 year old to be born with Down Syndrome is 1 in 30. For a 22 year old mother, it's a hundred times less. She should not have gotten pregnant at 43. It's not as bad as getting pregnant while addicted to crack, but it's still gross negligence.

Nobody here suggested killing anybody, so take your staw man arguments and shove them up your ass.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

^ And speaking of Voldemort - James Carville bears a striking resemblance.

>> ^jwray:
Sarah Palin is an ignorant fundamentalist who caused her youngest child to get down syndrome by having him too late in her life. BR>

That has to be the most crazy thing I have ever heard. I don't care your political, religious standings, to take that counter position on having a child that isn't perfect just smacks so much insensitivity to your specified paramiters of what a human life can and should consist of that I am finding it hard to think without emotion. Next up on the chopping block, deaf people and cripples. Kill'em all, they aren't worth the DNA they are printed on.

In reply to this comment by NetRunner:
>> ^deedub81:
@Fjnbk:
Yep. That's the difference. We haven't had an opportunity to vote for or against Palin. That's how it works.
The fact that Obama has campaigned longer doesn't mean he has more experience.

The bit about voting has become something of a lefty talking point, but saying "Everyone in the world has been vetting Obama since he declared his candidacy in January of 2007, and a majority of primary voters still chose him" is still a pretty sound argument that Americans have reached a comfort level with his ability to lead.

Add in that his campaign has employed more people, and commanded a larger budget than the Governor's office has, and the argument gets stronger still. Then consider that the Governor will naturally be focused on state-level concerns, while the Obama campaign has had to respond to questions about every area of the political landscape, from affirmative action to trade relations with China, and it gets stronger still.

Palin is unknown to most people, no one selected her in a primary, and the election is 62 days from now. McCain is 72 years old, with a medical history that includes cancer -- if he dies, she'll be President. What do we know about her?

Not a lot, and in just 4 days, the press has found quite a bit to be concerned about.

I was going to comment but you pretty much summed up my argument NetRunner.
Well said, and Thanks

Sarah Palin is an ignorant fundamentalist who caused her youngest child to get down syndrome by having him too late in her life. She got elected mayor of some pathetic little town on less than 1,000 votes, and then in 2006 miraculously won the race for Governor. She's wrong on every substantive policy issue that separates her from Obama. She already abused her power as governor to try to fire her sister's ex-husband in some kind of personal vendetta.

Barack Obama was president of the fucking Harvard Law Review. He was a lawyer for many years, then a state senator for almost 8 years, then a US Senator for almost 4 years. He's more qualified than Lincoln was when Lincoln first ran for president.

It takes someone as stupid as that pro-palin propaganda-bot to make Carville look good.

"All Obama ever did was run for president" and "Obama never proposed any specific changes" are the Big Lies(TM) that Republican strategists like to repeat ad infinitum, following in the footsteps of Goebbels.

>> ^Constitutional_Patriot:
freaky bald guy scares me.. aaaaagh!!!
Seriously they both make valid points.


Both make valid points? Her only points were that she 1. sold an airplane on ebay 2. was against the bridge to nowhere 3. is against corruption 4. her opponent is a sexist

1. The plane was bought for $2.7 million and sold on ebay for $2.1 million, so $600,000 loss right there. The state makes $62,492.79 payments on it each quarter, and it seats up to nine. When not in use by the governor, it was used to shuttle inmates. Sarah Palin flies commercial--most likely business class which is what, a couple grand a seat, especially on last minute bookings? So to fly herself and her family/aides around with business class is probably $5,000-10,000 a flight. If she flies mores than 6 times a quarter she is costing the state money. The reality was that the plane was described: "You can't stand up in it, and the bathroom is basically a port-a-potty. You dare not use it." Fine, if she wants to prevent taxpayer waste, but how about doing a cost analysis before you sell a plane for a $600,000 loss your first day in office?

2. "Last year, Palin announced she was stopping state work on the controversial project, earning her admirers from earmark critics and budget hawks from around the nation. The move also thrust her into the spotlight as a reform-minded newcomer.
The state, however, never gave back any of the money that was originally earmarked for the Gravina Island bridge, said Weinstein and Elerding.
In fact, the Palin administration has spent "tens of millions of dollars" in federal funds to start building a road on Gravina Island that is supposed to link up to the yet-to-be-built bridge, Weinstein said."

3. "Palin is under investigation to determine whether she pressured and then fired the state police chief in July because he refused to dismiss her former brother-in-law. At the time, the governor's younger sister was involved in a bitter divorce and child custody dispute with the man, a state trooper. A bipartisan committee of the state legislature voted unanimously to hire a retired prosecutor to investigate. His report is due in October.”"

4. The argument that Carville is sexist because he is questioning the credentials of a woman is insulting and sexist itself, especially when he brings up another woman who he thinks is more qualified.

All I see here is a vice presidential candidate who is woefully ignorant and already corrupt with what little power she has as a governor in Alaska. Do you even know her education, or her grades in college? Christ, she has BA in journalism from the University of Idaho and you want to elect her as next in line to president?

I really don't get why you want your doctors, lawyers, and scientists to finish in the top of their class after 7-8 years of schooling. Why you wouldn't dare fly on a plane, drive in a car, or ride on a boat designed by someone without a phd or masters degree--yet you will elect people to run your entire lives who are at the bottom of their class and hold a completely irrelevant or non-demanding degree.

>> ^deedub81:
The fact that Obama has campaigned longer doesn't mean he has more experience.


Obama 1985-1988: Served as the director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side. During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.

Palin 1984-1988:In 1984, Palin won the Miss Wasilla beauty contest (playing the flute), then finished second in the Miss Alaska pageant, at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award. Palin attended Hawaii Pacific College — now known as Hawaii Pacific University — in Honolulu for a semester in 1982, majoring in Business Administration. She transferred in 1983 to North Idaho College. In 1987, Palin received a Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho, where she also minored in political science.

Obama 1988-1996:Attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1991. During that time he was also the editor of the Harvard Law Review. In his sophomore year he was elected president of the Law Review, supervising a staff of 80 editors. Between 1992 and 1996, he taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.

Palin 1988-1996:1988, she worked briefly as a sports reporter for KTUU-TV in Anchorage, Alaska. She also helped out in her husband’s family commercial fishing business. Ran for Wasilla city council in 1992, won and served two terms from 1992 to 1996. Ran for mayor of Wasilla (pop. ~8000) in 1996 and won.

*****

Quick outline. Source: Wikipedia.

I might continue on another post, Deedub, but I just wanted to make something clear here:

Do you consider the two outlines above to be equal in measure and weight?

If yes, why?

If no, which would you consider more qualified for a career in government?

>> ^deedub81:
Palin is obviously not the most qualified Republican, but Obama isn't the most qualified democrat in the country.


But Palin is possibly the *least* qualified person in the country for #2. Possibly the least qualified person to ever be suggested for this slot.

I mean, Come. The. Fuck. On.

what point does she make that you find valid?

>> ^Constitutional_Patriot:
freaky bald guy scares me.. aaaaagh!!!
Seriously they both make valid points.

>> ^deedub81:
@Fjnbk:
Yep. That's the difference. We haven't had an opportunity to vote for or against Palin. That's how it works.
The fact that Obama has campaigned longer doesn't mean he has more experience.

The bit about voting has become something of a lefty talking point, but saying "Everyone in the world has been vetting Obama since he declared his candidacy in January of 2007, and a majority of primary voters still chose him" is still a pretty sound argument that Americans have reached a comfort level with his ability to lead.

Add in that his campaign has employed more people, and commanded a larger budget than the Governor's office has, and the argument gets stronger still. Then consider that the Governor will naturally be focused on state-level concerns, while the Obama campaign has had to respond to questions about every area of the political landscape, from affirmative action to trade relations with China, and it gets stronger still.

Palin is unknown to most people, no one selected her in a primary, and the election is 62 days from now. McCain is 72 years old, with a medical history that includes cancer -- if he dies, she'll be President. What do we know about her?

Not a lot, and in just 4 days, the press has found quite a bit to be concerned about.