>> ^shinyblurry:

@enoch, the origin of the animosity towards Americans has its source in a KGB program designed to exploit the deeply ingrained anti-semitism in the middle east and turn it towards the US. They sent, hired, bought off hundreds or even thousands of agents in the middle east to spread the idea around that America is a zionist regime controlled by the jews. That's why you have Arab leaders saying things like this:
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p://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/ahmadinejad-american-people-lack-freedom-of-choice-it-is-the-zionists-that-decide-who-will-become-th.html
Yes I believe the corporation control the media, and the elites control the corporations, but who controls the elites? When you talk about a conspiracy, I know the actual conspiracy because the bible details it all: Satan is the ruler of this world and in the last days he is going to establish a one world government, one world economy and one world religion all centered around the antichrist. The elites you're talking about are all globalists trying to establish this very thing. Today you can see bible prophecy unfolding before your very eyes. So, I don't trust the media to report the truth as such and I certainly don't rely on it as my primary source of information about what is going on in the world.

>> ^enoch:
@shinyblurry do not get caught in the trap my friend.do not rely on corporate "news" to enlighten you concerning the situation in the middle east nor the origins of the anymosity towards america.truth does not suit their purposes in controlling your opinion

Alright! Who stole shiny's meds this time?

@enoch, the origin of the animosity towards Americans has its source in a KGB program designed to exploit the deeply ingrained anti-semitism in the middle east and turn it towards the US. They sent, hired, bought off hundreds or even thousands of agents in the middle east to spread the idea around that America is a zionist regime controlled by the jews. That's why you have Arab leaders saying things like this:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/ahmadinejad-american-people-lack-freedom-of-choice-it-is-the-zionists-that-decide-who-will-become-th.html

Yes I believe the corporation control the media, and the elites control the corporations, but who controls the elites? When you talk about a conspiracy, I know the actual conspiracy because the bible details it all: Satan is the ruler of this world and in the last days he is going to establish a one world government, one world economy and one world religion all centered around the antichrist. The elites you're talking about are all globalists trying to establish this very thing. Today you can see bible prophecy unfolding before your very eyes. So, I don't trust the media to report the truth as such and I certainly don't rely on it as my primary source of information about what is going on in the world.



>> ^enoch:

@shinyblurry do not get caught in the trap my friend.do not rely on corporate "news" to enlighten you concerning the situation in the middle east nor the origins of the anymosity towards america.truth does not suit their purposes in controlling your opinion

Best Ad EVER! Anyone see the TV quickly flash between Obama and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? Just amazing...the lipstick chick telling you to shush, love it. Seriously we need more ads like this, inventive fun ads that look like a movie trailer.

>> ^criticalthud:

ummm, from a propaganda standpoint, there are some corollaries for sure.
But, let's look at some geopolitics.
(1) In a world of diminishing resources, Iran is sitting on some of the largest oil reserves.
(2) Israel, on the other hand, is sitting on a piece of worthless desert called the holy land and depends on foreign oil imports and American Aid. That American aid is also highly dependent on the US continuing to essentially control the oil trade. Oil is traded in dollars, and it is that massive circulation that helps keep the American dollar afloat (each dollar is HIGHLY leveraged (ie: debt)).
(3) So who wants what? Religious crazies aside, from a geo-political standpoint Israel has very little to offer Iran, but control or influence over Iran's oil reserves has quite a bit to offer Israel.
Now...why would Iran want to have a nuclear energy program when it has vast oil reserves?
-- just like Venezuela, who is limiting the amount they produce, if they can use less of their oil now, in a world of diminishing energy resources, it means that in the future they wield more and more geo-political power. And energy is wealth. The more they control their own resources, the more they can control price points of resources, which is a large part of how the world powers have become world powers.


(1) True, but nevertheless it is only ~11% of the world's proven oil reserves:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves

(2) Going from point 1, Iran hardly holds a control on the monopoly of oil. Furthermore all developed countries have an interest in ensuring steady supply to oil. If for example Iran were to close the Strait of Hormuz, they would attract opprobrium from far more than just Israel and the US.

Oil trade in US dollars is surely a big part of the contributor to the strong US dollar, but the currency is used as a global trade and reserve currencies for its pre-eminence as a global economy not as a result of oil.

Also, even if the US dollar value were to collapse (which is hardly something likely in the next decade), I would bet that aid to Israel would be one of the last things to go because of the religious ties, the power of AIPAC in the US as a lobbying group and the history between the two countries.

(3) I think there's little denying that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, and I agree that geopolitics and influence in the region is surely a reason they are seeking it. But considered simply from the standpoint of Iran's autocratic leaders that it's simply a deterrence to outside intervention from the US.

Right now it seems implausible especially under Obama that the US itself would launch an attack on Iran, but when GWB invaded Iraq and the US economy was in much better shape that was hardly a fantasy. Iran's leaders have a genuine reason to fear this and while in the short term they risk a pre-emptive attack from Israel, in the long term they benefit immeasurably from the kind of deterrence that NK now has. Keep in mind that Iran's nuclear program is hardly the machinations of right wing ideologues like Ahmadinejad. Mousavi, the de facto leader of the green movement supports nuclear development and was instrumental in the inception of the program as previous prime minister.

So I really think it's that and not a long term play for energy independence. Oil is going to be with us for many decades to come and if this wiki is correct, Iran has a 100 years of supply available. With the economy the way it is and our current dependence on dirty fuels, we're hardly going to jump on the green train any time soon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

This video made me realize how you almost never hear a case for peace with Iran in the US media. You hear one of two things, an American or Israeli giving the case for war, or a neutral political analyst relaying the tough talk of Israeli politicians one one hand and Ahmadinejad on the other.

But Fareed makes a convincing case.

Oh, that explains a lot then. Thanks for clarifying.

"In the name of Ahmadinejad"... I never laughed so hard why also wanting to cry.
Please learn to read and learn to not use your prejudice so much. At least today I have learned that no matter what I will post to you, if it is against your opinion, it will be bent so that I will be the bad guy who supports other bad guys.

Maybe next time try a little harder to be objective, then we might actually have a proper discussion. I highly doubt it, though.

Well mr. Coolhound, I'm not an american... even worse, I'm an Israeli! You can keep your eyes blind-folded, but I assure you that your role as the defender of peace in the name of Ahmadinejad is a tall order. And he is just a puppet for a much more complex regime of sheer zealous power.
To be honest, I am much more tending to the political left movement in Israel... I want peace, flowers and the likes... But what exactly will Iran get once she manages to build nuclear power? Do you think they do it for peace? maybe for cancer research? please, enlighten me.

That's why i said its a complex issue...

>> ^coolhund:

>> ^G-bar:
well, it is a complex issue, but the fact is this: Israel has nuclear weapons. Iran wants nuclear weapons. Iran states every week that the zionist state must be destroyed.


Please stop spreading this. This is not true and even the one mention of this is a translation error:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadineja
d_and_Israel#.22Wiped_off_the_map.22_controversy
You only support war for wrong reasons if you keep spreading this. Especially you Americans should have learned that from recent history.

Yay, more bullshit from a professional bullshit spinner. Denying the fact that there was a popular uprising in Egypt and Libya, and is one currently in Syria is downright lying. I am not surprised that RT, a channel often criticised for being biaised and promoting conspiracy theories, would try to undermine the support for the popular uprising by spreading lies about it: Russia is backing Assad just as they are Ahmadinejad and his nuclear projects. It's all a part of global politics, just like when the US backed the Taliban against the Russian invasion during the cold war.

Mr. Ahmadinejad, meet Mrs. Bachmann, your US counterpart. See? No need to hate on the US, they clearly don't need Jihad to push for their own theocratic state.

@marbles

Thanks for sharing your sources with us, I have not followed details of Syria's events, but I can respond to the articles about Iran.

Re: US trains activists to evade security forces
Offering tools that circumvent government censorship firewalls, is not instigation. Iran's government has strict rules for ISPs to share information with the government, much like the warrantless wiretapping in US. If HTTPS circumvents the wiretapping, then is IETF instigating revolution in US?

Re: 'US trains Jundullah members'
Jundullah is a terrorist group, has nothing to do with peaceful protests and civil movements in Iran.

Re: 'has intelligence agents working in Iran'
Duh, of course and Iran has intelligence working in US. Is the Wisconsin labour movement instigated by Iran? http://www.presstv.com/detail/168937.html

Re: Kissinger threatens regime change in Iran if coup fails
Kissinger said that if the government is NOT democratic, then US would work for regime change. US is doing that right now with the global sanctions on Iran. You can't take his words and say that the millions that protested after the election were all tricked by US propaganda and spies!

Re: Proof: Israeli Effort to Destabilize Iran Via Twitter #IranElection
Online activities such as twitter and facebook are reports of what's going on, not the actual events. People went to the streets and protested, they were shot, killed and prisoned. You need to look at the number of people that risked their lives to measure their force and influence, not twittes!

Re: Iranian Unrest: Evidence Of Western Intelligence Meddling
"CIA/Mossad flooding Iranians with contradicting SMS messages"
I never hear of any broadcast SMS messages in support of the protestors. Government did send threatening SMS messages to discourage people from going to protests. People SMSed each other, but that way you know the person that SMSed you. If I get a SMS from a number I don't recognize, I would just ignore it, but if my friend tells me something, then I would listen!

This is exactly how it happen (eye witness report), after they announced that Ahmadinejad won the election, it was late in the evening, people were in disbelieve, they walked out of their houses and talked with neighbors, once they saw that all around them were Mousavi supporters and no one that was cheering Ahmadinejad's victory. If Ahmadinejad has majority support in their riding, as the polling stations had reported, then where are those supporters? After that evening people knew that they has cheated, from talking to neighbors face to face, and NOT from a twitter fed for god's sake. The west learned about it from twitter, not people inside Iran!

Re: Iran busts another CIA network
Iran's government labels any dissenters as US backed agents or drug dealers. Are the people working to free Bradley Manning agents of foreign governments? Now the hard liners in Iran are accusing Ahmadinejad of initiating negotiations with US and are calling for his impeachment. US is the boogyman used to justify any action that the regime wants to take. Like the "terrorist" threat in america, used to take away people's freedoms, its not REAL!

Re: Soros, the CIA, Mossad and the new media destabilization of Iran
This article is a rehash of the previous ones, no new points here.

Just because governments are spreading propaganda against each other, it doesn't mean that the civil movements inside those countries are made up of manipulated and instigated people!
US caught off-guard by Iran sanctions
Iran to sue US over human rights abuse

>> ^entr0py:

So... is this a response to the demonstrably false propaganda about the Libyan regime bombing people? If they did carry out air raids on unarmed protesters, we should consider stepping in. But there's no good reason to think that will happen. Unless you take your news from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.


History can repeat itself as it has elsewhere. Never hurts to be prepared. But like KP points out, being ready for something we can't afford to finish might just be a case of posturing.

So... is this a response to the demonstrably false propaganda about the Libyan regime bombing people? If they did carry out air raids on unarmed protesters, we should consider stepping in. But there's no good reason to think that will happen. Unless you take your news from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Mohammed VI on the phone with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad:

Mohammed: Inorite? It's fucking bullshit! Gah...

Mahmoud: Don't worry Mo, we'll make them some bullshit false promises and they will go home.

Mohammed: Well they fucking better. You know what? This is all fucking Hosni's fault. That fucking pussy couldn't keep his fucking peasants under control. Bastard.

Mahmoud: Ya... Hosni's always been a pretty big pussy. Hey listen, Mo, I gotta go, but call me if you need me. Otherwise, I'll see you at Abdullah's next week. He's going to be fighting a bear against a lion! Yippeeee!

Mohammed: Hahaha! Ok, take care Mahmoud.

>> ^Payback:

Anyone else kinda creeped out by the guy in the suit?


Did anyone else think he kinda looked like Ahmadinejad?

The story behind the development of these planes must have been like this:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: We will strike fear in the hearts of our enemies with our advanced Iranian technology!!!
Government Pansy: Sir, we don't really have enough money or resources to develop proper weapons. But we do have these 20 old canoes, and 40 leftover airplane wings, oh, and about 40 WW2 machine guns as well. Maybe we can glue some of them together.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: PERFECT!!! MUAHAHAHAHHA (evil laugh)