*dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/First-Recorded-Sound-Circa-1860

pretty sure i don't have the privilege, so do the right thing

What if I want to type ? the fact is for most pc interaction you dont need to use a mouse. really fast people can use a keyboard way faster than a mouse on its own. I think the reason people use a mouse for general pc interaction is because its incredibly simple and intuitive.

This system to me looks far more complicated than a mouse not because its "new" but because you have to have 2 hands on the serfice and you have up to 10 graphical points of interaction on the screen you allso have to be thinking about 2 hands not just one , manny people strugle to use 2 hands on a piano granted this is infantly more simplistic than that but its still more complex than 1 hand on a mouse.

I would like tactile force of keys of some kind , I think a good solution would be a mostly flat keyboard but the serfice is touch sensitive ( they do exist already just not that refined) you can have it so that soft touching would do multituch and give access to all the benefits of multi touch systems / wacom pads. however it would be able to be used 100% like a old school querty keybord along with a mouse.

If you observe history of PC HCI devices its a simple fact that people are not going to drop there learned method of interaction , unless it is Radically more eficent , if its within 30% more efficiency people would rather just stick with the old and comfortable HCI device. ~( this explains the reason why a pc keyboard is accentually a 1860s design. http://home.earthlink.net/~dcrehr/IMAGES/sgtablesm.jpeg what's funny is the first ever type writers key interface is not that dissimilar to the most modern of laptops)

people are generaly open to different methods of interaction if it is a compleaty new or perceived as a different device , or there is no better way to control the device at point of the device invention.

I think Mind controle of Pcs would be a good compliment to keybord , mouse , / keybord no mouse but maby thats 10 years away.


Interestingly and not so unsurprisingly the whole "Still using something that is fairly shitty way of doing things but it works" is mirrored all the time in the progression biological evolution.

I beg to differ...

How about the panic of 1797, lasting 3 years
Depression of 1807 lasting 7 years
Panic of 1819 lasting 5 years
Recession of 1833-34 lasting 1 year
Panic of 1837 lasting 2 years
Depression of 1839-43 lasting 4 years (attributed largely to Jackson, one of the worst in history)
Recession of 1845-46 lasting a year
recession of 1847-48 lasting a year
recession of 1853-54 1 year
Panic of 1857 18 months
recession of 1860-61 8 months
recession of 1865-67 lasting 32 months
recession of 1869-70 lasting 18 months
panic of 1873 and the ensuing long depression lasting 65 months
recession of 1882-85 lasting 38 months
recession of 1887-88 lasting 13 months
recession of 1890-91 lasting 10 months
Panic of 1893 lasting 17 months
Panic of 1896 lasting 18 months
Recession of 1899-1900 lasting 18 months
Recession of 1902-04 lasting 23 months
panic of 1907 lasting 13 months
panic of 1910-11 lasting 24 months

Bang up job the old monetary policy was doing...

I think there have been major social upheavals every 30 years or so in human society ever since the industrial revolution (1864 - Civil War, 1900 - Gilded Age, 1930 - Great Depression/WWII, 1960 - Civil Rights/Vietnam, 1980 - Ronald Reagan/Monetarist revolution, 2000's Iraq/Great Recession). I think we're seeing another upheaval now, I just hope it won't get quite so bad as some of the others in my list -- I hope we're going to end up comparing the 2010's more to the 1960's than the 1930's or 1860's. I suspect I'll live through one more major upheaval, assuming my lifespan ends up being somewhat average, and assuming the rate of social change isn't accelerating.

There's a part of me that thinks Kurzweil is right about a Singularity coming -- that the rate of technological advancement will speed up exponentially, and exceed our wildest expectations. I think there's a nonzero chance I'll live long enough to see the start of such a thing, but I think it could just as easily be a century or two away, and not decades.

I do think environmental issues are going to become a massive, unmistakable concern sooner rather than later. I don't think it will be the end of humanity or anything like that, but I suspect we're going to have to either rapidly retool our economy once people snap out of denial, or have a big economic crash coupled with major crop shortages and famine, and then rapidly retool our economy. I would even argue that environmental issues have played a nontrivial role in the current economic hardship, and that the time has come to really start enacting plans for moving away from fossil fuels, and start looking into more medium-to-long term issues like biodiversity and fresh water supply.

As for the freak globe-spanning natural disasters, there's no way to know about those. They could as easily happen tomorrow as they could a couple million years from now. Hopefully those will wait until post-Singularity when we'll be better equipped to deal with something like that...

Believe it or not but this track always spoke to me. Not necessarily because I enjoy it, though I do. But because the first few sentences of the track are familiar to me.

You see about a mile from where I grew up, in the hills south of Ithaca, NY by a small lake called Cayuta Lake there is a grave yard that has some very old graves. Most of them are tied to the mansion that was built about two hundred years ago. I'm talking graves from the early 19th century. Many of them have unusual sayings on them or old prayers. Several are large statues of angels.

On in particular as I remember was from a man who died in the 1860s. He had what appeared to be a stylized Jewish star in brass on the grave stone. Under that was a very dark poem. I always remembered it because it was so unusual.

Years later I got this album and on my CD player I found this track. It struck me immediately, that the first two sentences are EXACTLY the same as was written on that grave. Used to hang out with a friend in that old graveyard and had several odd experiences there. When I played this track for him he about fell over.

I don't know if part of this track is some old and oft unused prayer or from some other writing. But to this day the track brings back that memory.

>> ^Farhad2000:
"We should be allowed to torture and waterboard human beings!"
Vs.
"We cannot accept gays in the military! That is morally wrong"
The irony of it all.


^ Would upvote 100 times.

"don't ask don't tell" is functionally equivalent to the previous total ban on homosexuality in the military (when there were also homosexuals in the military who kept it secret). It's time to move forward into the fucking 21st century and stop this persecution, no matter what redneck fundamentalists think about it. Leviticus is only fit for toilet paper.

Back in the 1860s, a war was neeeded to stretch the military thin enough that they would accept blacks into their ranks. A similar situation is occurring now. Obama obviously won't veto a successor to this policy, but he doesn't want to get his name attached to the policy allowing gays in the military at the risk of offending some rural blue collar union bigots who helped him win the election (or maybe he'll wait for the 2nd term).

Telegraph usage by cats dates back to 1860.

>> ^Arg:
I'd be amazed if this man is capable of tying his own shoelaces.


I meet him and he is an intelligent, funny and likable guy. Of course you can mock and spout something about a person that you don't know instead of dealing with what he says.
Ben Stein was considered one of the smart guys before he decided to make his movie about Evolution. Now (even though he is not a Christian) he is mocked in similar fashion.
I was under the impression that this is a country where people can speak their mind and challenge thought?! Isn't that, an open discusion and reasoning, what makes sience worthwhile and lead to something?
Funny how nobody wants to talk about the things that Darwin said would have to fall into place to prove his theory. Funny how many of the “proof” comes out forged or plain false? If it is so clear and logigal… why the need to forge things? Funny how these known forgeries are still used in school text books today?!

Just to name a few:

Piltdown man: Found in a gravel pit in Sussex England in 1912, this fossil was considered by some sources to be the second most important fossil proving the evolution of man—until it was found to be a complete forgery 41 years later. The skull was found to be of modern age. The fragments had been chemically stained to give the appearance of age, and the teeth had been filed down!


Nebraska Man from the Illustrated London NewsNebraska man: A single tooth, discovered in Nebraska in 1922 grew an entire evolutionary link between man and monkey, until another identical tooth was found which was protruding from the jawbone of a wild pig.


Java man: Initially discovered by Dutchman Eugene Dubois in 1891, all that was found of this claimed originator of humans was a skullcap, three teeth and a femur. The femur was found 50 feet away from the original skullcap a full year later. For almost 30 years Dubois downplayed the Wadjak skulls (two undoubtedly human skulls found very close to his "missing link"). (source: Hank Hanegraaff, The Face That Demonstrates The Farce Of Evolution, [Word Publishing, Nashville, 1998], pp.50-52)


Orce man: Found in the southern Spanish town of Orce in 1982, and hailed as the oldest fossilized human remains ever found in Europe. One year later officials admitted the skull fragment was not human but probably came from a 4 month old donkey. Scientists had said the skull belonged to a 17 year old man who lived 900,000 to 1.6 million years ago, and even had very detail drawings done to represent what he would have looked like. (source: "Skull fragment may not be human", Knoxville News-Sentinel, 1983)


Neanderthal: Still synonymous with brutishness, the first Neanderthal remains were found in France in 1908. Considered to be ignorant, ape-like, stooped and knuckle-dragging, much of the evidence now suggests that Neanderthal was just as human as us, and his stooped appearance was because of arthritis and rickets. Neanderthals are now recognized as skilled hunters, believers in an after-life, and even skilled surgeons, as seen in one skeleton whose withered right arm had been amputated above the elbow. (source: "Upgrading Neanderthal Man", Time Magazine, May 17, 1971, Vol. 97, No. 20)

The theory of embryonic recapitulation asserts that the human fetus goes through various stages of its evolutionary history as it develops. Ernst Haeckel proposed this theory in the late 1860’s, promoting Darwin’s theory of evolution in Germany. He made detailed drawings of the embryonic development of eight different embryos in three stages of development, to bolster his claim. His work was hailed as a great development in the understanding of human evolution. A few years later his drawings were shown to have been fabricated, and the data manufactured. He blamed the artist for the discrepancies, without admitting that he was the artist. (source: Russell Grigg, "Fraud Rediscovered", Creation, Vol. 20, No. 2, pp.49-51)

The photos of exteriors from the 1860's are particularly attractive.

For those of you not Fearing of the living God , and think we who are , are insane, just consider the lessons of history to see if there is really divine intervention in matters of SIN gone wild, take the Roman city Pompeii for just one example, read the following facts.
Walking into homes and shops in Pompeii is to marvel at the fully-intact buildings. You expect to meet the toga-clad owner asking where you are from.

When excavation started in earnest in 1860, scientists were shocked at the level of preservation -- and perversion.

Walls in the town are often covered in sexually-explicit graffiti. If you know Latin, visitors can read who was doing what to whom almost 2000 years ago.

The brothels of Pompeii are open to tourists -- although no longer carrying on business. The erotic frescoes found inside one brothel would make a sailor blush. The two-storey house, called Lupanare, is the top draw in the town. The services offered and a price list was displayed in the street.

The "House of the Vettii" is a luxurious and well-preserved private home not far from the brothel. Surrounding two courtyards, Vettii is rich in decoration and colour. The house looks remarkably like the set of a Hollywood film about Rome.

Finally, head to the town’s forum. In Roman times, it was the centre of public and political life of any Roman city. The large square is enclosed by colonnades and has a spectacular view of Mount Vesuvius.

After a full day of walking the site, jumping back on the train to Naples will be welcomed. Next morning, consider a visit to the National Museum in Naples to view some of the artifacts found in Pompeii that needed to be preserved off site. Also consider a trip to the volcano which caused Pompeii's misfortune -- buses leave from the Naples train station for Mount Vesuvius about once an hour. Don’t worry, Vesuvius is safe now…mind you, they probably thought that 2000 years ago too.
DIVINE INTRVENTION OR COINCIDENCE, THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE !

" There was no place for reconsideration, or revocation, except through revolution, or through consent of the States. . . .

That last sentence is important because most experts agree that there was a previous, more legally effective secession involving this country – the American Revolution.

Justices Grier and Swayne dissented, but they didn't argue the secession was valid. They claimed that Texas couldn't sue because, prior to readmission, it lacked representation in Congress, and was therefore a "conquered province."

The same principles cited by the majority apply under international law. International law does not recognize a right to secession except under very limited circumstances: one is successful revolution, another is secession by agreement. At this point, most scholars recognize that colonized or oppressed populations may secede, and some claim that those who are denied participation in government can secede, too. These last three concepts are fairly recent additions, though, and likely wouldn't have flown in the 1860s."

i like that...an affirmation that we're totally fucked unless we rise up armed...well shit, the MIC is privately owned, so this time around, those with the most guns, wins-and it ain't gonna be the demon, America-this time the world gets the clamp-

Wiki: "The yo-yo is often credited as having been a weapon invented in the Philippines a few centuries ago.[3] The name yo-yo may have been derived from the Filipino word tayoyo which means to eviscerate.[dubious – discuss] The term was first published in a dictionary of Tagalog words printed in 1860.[citation needed]"

Actually he's right there too, he's a pretty well educated individual. Saying it wasn't about freeing the slaves is true enough but that doesn't mean it had nothing to do with the issue. Many in the south were wary of the "slippery slope", same as we are today in ways and same as we justified Nam and other issues with in the past. They weren't happy with the fight to keep the new territories slave free, with the fight over it in Kansas, nor with the platform Lincoln was elected under.

Four of the States which rebelled signed not only the declarations of secession themselves but also documents on the causes for it. Some of them hardly mentioned slavery and some ranted on and on about the issue. How big a part slavery played would have depended in large part on who you asked, and where. http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html

The following page contains a fair number of documents related to the issue, one of which is the Party Platforms and Secession Documents, inside that you'll find the 1860 Republican Party Platform. A decent part of the platform in the last election before the war was related to the issue of slavery and the south decided they would not be lead by that man under that platform, it was worth rebellion. http://members.aol.com/jfepperson/causes.html

So while it's true to say the Civil War wasn't about freeing the slaves it's also true that it was in large part about slavery and how this nation would live with it in the future. Not just about that, but it was one of the hot button issues of the time and we've got it in their own words.

Thermite is easy to manufacture with very common materials. It's just Iron rust and Aluminum dust. It's very stable and safe to transport. It's so stable, in fact, that you need another kind of charge between the fuse and the thermite to escalate the reaction to something hot enough to set off the thermite. Thermite has been used in small quantities for welding since the 1860s, at least. It's unfortunate that half the entries on Youtube in a search for thermite are from 9/11 conspiracy theorists.

By the way... a little background about Patea, from Wiki (fascinating stuff! ):

"Patea is the second-largest town in southern Taranaki, New Zealand. It is 55 kilometres west of Wanganui, on the banks of the Patea River, and had a 2001 population of 1302. The town's name is pronounced approximately as "pah-tay-ah". The town was initially founded as a garrison settlement during the New Zealand land wars of the 1860s.
The town came to national attention in the second half of the 20th century for the closure of the main employer, a freezing works. Subsequently it gained more fame, in and beyond New Zealand, as the home of Māori singer Dalvanius Prime and the group Patea Māori Club, whose single, "Poi E", was one of the early indicators of a renewed impetus in Māori popular music."