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OH, should mention that I did enjoy the nods to the original series in the final episode. I was waiting for Dirk Benedict to show up.

Starbuck is an angel. She has been, perceivably, since the very beginning of the show. We cant really know for sure, wether it was real kara up to the eye of juptier, and then an angel, or if it was angel kara all along. Most theories ive read, see Kara as being the one true angel since day dot.

Hera was the best DNA of the last of the colonial technological genus. She represented everything that was good in both the colonials, and the skin-job's (who were ultimately a re-creation of the final 5's race of cylons).

Her role in the film was to impart these beneficial traits onto the rest of humanity on earth, in the hopes that they can break the cycle of humans and non-humans going to war with one another every few thousand years. Instead of just telling humanity to stop building machines of war, without regard to safeguards, and hoping for the best....change humanity, attack the root of the problem. Thus, Hera.

Angels don't always have to be pure and good

The other skinjobs didn't get resurrection, as Tyrol killed Tory, which prevented Anders from unifying the 5 minds of the final 5 to regain the knowledge of resurrection. Presumably a large chunk of the skin jobs died in the last moments of the colony fight (the Cavil's side certainly was wiped out, as his entire fleet was parked at the colony, and the nuclear missiles from the dead raptor pushed its orbit into the event horizon shortly after galactica jumped to earth.)

All along the watchtower wasn't anything meaningful other than as a method for starbuck to plot the correct jump cords. That it was a well known song has no bearing on the storyline at all, just a cool song.

Well, Homo Sapiens should evolve on any planet that's very similar to earth, so its not that much of a shock.

Starbucks rotting viper/corpse may of been an event to trigger her into finding the way back to earth...the REAL earth, and not the final-five's home planet. Either way, the last Starbuck we all saw, post-juptier, was an angel.

The only thing I was mad about as far as loose ends would be Kara being the "harbinger of death." Technically, she did lead the human race to its doom, since now they'll mate with cylons and Earth natives, thereby mixing the gene pool and killing off the human species as they knew it.

But what I was really pissed about wasn't so much the climax, it was the denouement-

1). Really? Chief wants to live on an island all alone for the rest of his life? Doesn't he realize in three years he'll go completely insane and start talking to a volleyball?

2). What? Adama, too? Just cuz his chick died, he doesn't ever wanna see his son or friends again?

3). Everybody is tired of technology?? Call me insane, but I like my central air and medicine! I like comfortable living! I like knowing that the average human won't die off at age 40! All this progress they've made, ruined. Not even 150k years later have we even come close to what they had.

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>> ^charliem:
Well, Homo Sapiens should evolve on any planet that's very similar to earth, so its not that much of a shock.


I'll take all your other reasoning with a very large grain of salt, but I can't let that one go unrefuted. That's just wrong.

It's rubbish because it basically means every single time it worked out for them, why that's because of God. So we are all tied down to a Destiny. One fate whose course we have no way of changing so expect we create robots which try to kill us only leading us back to God.

Satan is thus Technology.

That's a deeply unsatisfying viewpoint of anyone educated watching this show.

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^agreed.

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After having a sleep on this, I'm more disappointed. The writers violated my trust. I trusted that when all these mysterious plot points were developed - that they were actually thinking of how they would resolve - I'd say that's not how their writing process worked. I feel like they were probably only thinking 1-2 eps ahead at any time.

It's kind of like when someone promises to tell you an amazing secret next week, and then it's like:

"uhmmm, guess what?"
"What?"
"chicken butt."

(fisticuffs ensue)

^ They actually confessed ahead of time that they'd literally been making it up as they went, and that they were scrambling to tie it together in a coherent way for the ending.

They said of all the stuff that was in the final episode, only the showing up at Earth 150,000 years ago, and having Six on the streets of New York City had been their only long standing thoughts about the ending.

A lot of people had that angry/betrayed feeling about the ending and its heavy handed use of "God did it" as the answer to all the open questions.

Once the anger cools, you'll probably be like most people; disappointed in the plot tie-up, but feel that the entire series has been very worth watching for the character moments along the way.

At least, that's how I feel about it now.

Deus ex machina has been used for about 2500 years, so I guess you could say it wasn't too original

Like I said, it's pure shit.

The series was great and worked until they ended with "God did it", which undermines the whole universe it exists in. I feel that this is the ultimate betrayal of the writers and why it just made the series die screaming and crying.

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^I have to agree with on betrayal thing. I won't let myself get sucked into the new Caprica series - though it does look interesting ...

>> ^Edeot:
The only thing I was mad about as far as loose ends would be Kara being the "harbinger of death."

Kara's vision lead her to leoban after outbreak of the cylon civil war, this lead to the destruction of the hub, which brought death to the cylons, not destruction, only death, mortality.

That ties up much better than what happens to her when they get to earth.

The whole "We screwed up with technology, so we should dispense with sterilization" thing is full bore stupid. Even the staunches technophobe understands that some basic knowledge about physics/medicine is worth having.

I'm with ya dag.

More on this in a previous discussion.

Pretty good idea.

(Dag has now officially been compromised by "the man").

NERDS!

Kidding. Just watched it. I think when Kara Thrace left the first time (what was it, season 3?) she did fly to the 13th colony Earth and crash landed. She was then brought back as an angel.

Her being the 'harbinger of death' was confusing. I think it's that way because she's the one that brings them to our Earth to start the whole process over, which will eventually lead to the same demise of humanity? Dunno, just a hunch that's what they meant.

I have to admit, I kind of saw this being the precursor to our current human timeline from the get-go. The use of Greek gods/Zodiakos tipped me off in the beginning, and somehow I had a strong inkling they would be the start of our world leaving behind mythology as their legacy. I did think Baltar was shaping up to be Jesus, though. 150,000 years is a far cry from 2000, so I suppose that theory doesn't hold much water now seeing the ending.

I didn't think it was as bad as everyone keeps saying. It was not horrible. Sure, it could've been better, but it's a TV show. They have to stretch it out, which always leads to plot holes and loose logic.

Well, yeah, of course she was brought back as an angel, but as a show that prided itself on keeping itself more realistic than other scifi, by using technology that was closer to our own and not completely, completely unfeasible it just makes no sense.

Everything that's wrong with religion if it were true out here suddenly applies in that universe, because ultimately in the show there is a god, and the god does have influences in the world, and can basically do anything, like create an extra kara thrace out of thin air, and poof her gone again.

It makes no goddamn sense!

The whole show had a nice ambiguity to its religious context and myths, which was good, but in the end all the bullshit myths - everything - was true! This carries a hell of a lot of repercussions to all the actions in the show and in the end it is just completely unsatisfying.

If they had not played with being closer to our own reality and introduced the supernatural elements more deeply intertwined in the story, then I'm sure I would have been more forgiving - like, say, Buffy the Vampire Slayer or True Blood for that sake, which handles its demons and gods and all that stuff fine within its own universe. BSG really, really wants to be our universe, which just makes it invalid, because it very clearly is not our universe. Its internal consistency is shot to hell and makes me want to punch a puppy in the face.

I rate it 10 sturgeon faces.