Suicide Bombings and Islam: An Apologist's Guide

Published on Dec 21, 2016
Have the urge to say "suicide bombings have nothing to do with Islam"? Then this video is for you
newtboysays...

Just pointing out, the suicide bombings we dealt with in the 40's were committed by Shintoists, not Muslims.
The bombings we dealt with in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's were Christian (granted, they rarely killed themselves intentionally).
Columbine, had their bombs exploded, would have been a disastrous suicide bombing by Christians...in fact, I'm fairly certain that almost all mass school shootings have been Christian students.
If you ask 1000 Christian southerners in private, likely near 50% will say they support killing infidels, especially if they're Muslims.
Bombings, even suicide bombings aren't unique to Muslims.

bobknight33says...

You are a dumb fuck. Keep your head in the sand or you your friend ass. But keep reality to those with sound minds.

newtboysaid:

Just pointing out, the suicide bombings we dealt with in the 40's were committed by Shintoists, not Muslims.
The bombings we dealt with in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's were Christian (granted, they rarely killed themselves intentionally).
Columbine, had their bombs exploded, would have been a disastrous suicide bombing by Christians...in fact, I'm fairly certain that almost all mass school shootings have been Christian students.
If you ask 1000 Christian southerners in private, likely near 50% will say they support killing infidels, especially if they're Muslims.
Bombings, even suicide bombings aren't unique to Muslims.

enochsays...

@bobknight33
why is @newtboy a dumb fuck?

for pointing out that historically suicide bombers have not been exclusively muslim.newt is not disagreeing that radical islamic suicide bombers exist,he is simply pointing out that the practice of bombing in the name of religion is not an exclusively muslim practice when viewed through the lens of history.

the problem is NOT exclusively the religion of islam,the problem is fundamentalist thinking.so while at this point in history it is islam that is the theology that is twisted for a sinister and destructive purpose,the same justifications can be found in ALL religions,predominantly from the abrahmic:judaism,muslim and christianity.

this is not a simple issue,there are many factors to be considered on why people will strap a bomb to their chests and walk into a crowded cafe and blow themselves up.

factors such as:education,employment,community,family structures and most of all...hope.we need hope.all of us need hope but when conditions for normal people are so oppressive and hopeless,people will seek to find hope anywhere,which can be in the form of religion.

look,
words are inert,they are meaningless until someone reads those words..and then interprets them.

this is particularly true when addressing religion.
if you are a violent person,then your religion will be violent.
if you are peaceful and loving,then your religion will be peaceful.

no matter which sacred text you adhere to,be it the quran,the bible or the torah.you will find justification for any and all acts you choose to engage in,be it violent or peaceful.

and THAT is what sargon is addressing!
sargon is dissecting the apologetics of those who are just not getting the plot.radical islam is a problem,a big problem,and attempting to dismiss the underlying factors in order to make a more "palatable" explanation is wading into dangerous waters.

so we can understand the politics and motivation of a young man from palestine who straps explosives to his chest and blows himself up taking innocent civilians with him.we can look at the events that led up to that grievous choice.we know,because there is historical record,how badly the palestinian people are being treated,and have been for decades.the young man was stripped of hope,and the only solace he found was in the quran and so began his radicalization.

it is the politics that always,and i mean ALWAYS,sets the stage but it is the religion that lays out the justification.

which is what newt was basically talking about.
we can use the exact same calculus for fundamentalist christians,or zionist jews.

think about it,how many radicalized muslims live in america?
how many?
deerborn michigan has the largest muslim community in america.now go look at how many suicide bombers are born from that region.
notice anything?

politics is the fuel,religion is the match.

some here may take issue with sargon's take on this situation,but he is making valid points in regards to how some people (mainly on the left) engage in apologetics,while ignoring the larger implications.

if we,as a species,wish to curb the tide of religious fundamentalism and the radicalization of whole communities.then we need to address the politics first and foremost.otherwise this "war on terror" will become never-ending.because the "war on terror' is actually on "war on ideas",really bad ideas,predicated on even worse politics.

today it is islam.
tomorrow it may be christianity,and there is a whole army of fundamentalist and dominionist christians just waiting to be called for their "holy war".

or should i just call it "christian jihad".

newtboysays...

Cartmanknight33 calling me a dumb fuck is a compliment. If he agreed with me, on any topic, I might feel like one. I've never met someone so consistently ignorant about every topic he chimes in on.

RFlaggsays...

Thank you @enoch, I was trying to figure a way of replying on how there isn't a denial that a minority of Muslims believe in suicide bombing, but that it isn't as widespread and exclusive to Islam as the far right make it out to be. You summed it up pretty well.

I was also going to add all the abortion clinic bombings and the Atlanta Centennial Olympic Park bombing... all Christian and being done in the name of Christ. Then in Ireland/UK with the IRA... though that one isn't just religion and is more political (though again, many of those political differences has to do with worshiping Christ the wrong way).

There are militant Buddhist too, who do very violent and aggressive acts against others.

And there are plenty on the left who decry Islam, look at Sam Harris by example who argues the danger of Islam a great deal.

I agree, that we need to address the underlying political issues... and sometimes just need to let things go. There is a big civil war going on the middle east between denominations of Islam, and we are picking a side, which in turn makes us a target of the other side. We ignore the fact that the goal of terrorist groups is to make it an "us vs them" world, so that it makes it easier to recruit potentially radicalizeable people. I hear Christians bemoan how Christianity must be true because of all the persecution, proves Satan is trying to push Christianity down, but then they have zero empathy for how it must feel for a Muslim, and the persecution they feel, and how that must make them feel they are the right one for the same exact reasoning.

The fact so many Christians are not only willing, but calling for a war, for a new Crusade basically, shows that Christians are just as easily radicalized. They may not be strapping bombs to their chests yet, but I'd guess if they were in a Muslim country and felt they were being repressed, then I'd wager they'd be more than willing to engage in suicide bombs.

The pint being, yes, some Muslims do engage in suicide bombs, but it isn't just them. Christians have done it plenty in the past, and will undoubtedly return to it again, especially as the more radicalized and violent portion of them become normalized here in the US thanks to the election of Trump who encouraged them all through his campaign.

newtboysays...

Pretty bold from someone who thinks their target can't see their post because they are being ignored...but I'm back, sucker.

You calling someone a dumb fuck is just hilarious, and complimentary. I note you couldn't back it up with a single fact or argument when pressed...unsurprisingly.

Note, this kind of direct ad-hom personal attack could easily get you banned...stop posting them.

bobknight33said:

You are a dumb fuck. Keep your head in the sand or you your friend ass. But keep reality to those with sound minds.

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