AHCA: A Republican Response to The Affordable Care Act

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newtboysays...

Yep, better protect the wealthy, they've had it so bad lately, and the poor are just handed everything for doing nothing.
Also, better end family planning services, because we want more, more dangerous abortions to happen, but must be certain we don't pay a penny of public funds for them.
So far, their plan seems certain to raise costs for everyone while making about 10000000 people uninsured and returning to insane hospital costs to cover the uninsured who can't pay and 6+ hour emergency room wait times.
Doesn't anyone notice that tiny Cuba, with no money, has some of the best medical care in the world for free? If they can do it, why does the right think America is incapable? We aren't as smart as Cubans? We shouldn't be as healthy as Cubans? What?

Fairbssays...

mental health funding is cut too so get ready for shootings to go up

could have fixed Obamacare anytime over the last 7 years, but R's don't give a rip about YOU (unless you're rich)

TheFreaksays...

Fixes to the ACA should have been happening all along. Annual tweaks and adjustments would have prevented most or all of the problems it's experiencing right now.

Of course, the conservatives in Congress only benefited from letting all those people suffer through the widening cracks in the system.

Even now, it would be easier and more cost effective to fix the system but once again, the conservatives would rather cut off their own nose to spite their face rather than look out for the best interest of the people who trust them to do the right thing.

This TrumpCare is going to explode in the Republican's faces. Hubris is a helluva drug. (And cheaper if you buy it in Canada.)

newtboysays...

Look it up.

America was 50th out of 55 countries in 2014, according to a Bloomberg index that assesses life expectancy, health-care spending per capita and relative spending as a share of gross domestic product. Expenditures averaged $9,403 per person, about 17.1 percent of GDP, that year — the most recent for which data are available — and life expectancy was 78.9. Only Jordan, Colombia, Azerbaijan, Brazil and Russia ranked lower.

Cuba and the Czech Republic — with life expectancy closest to the U.S. at 79.4 and 78.3 years — paid much less on health care: $817 and $1,379 per capita. Switzerland and Norway, the only countries with higher spending than the U.S. — $9,674 and $9,522 — had longer life expectancy, averaging 82.3 years.

Less than 1/10 the cost for better results sure sounds better to me.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/u-s-health-care-system-ranks-as-one-of-the-least-efficient

bobknight33said:

1 week of round 1 and all the bitching. This is just the first draft.. I'm sure things will change.


@newtboy Cuba is better? You must really buy into Michael Moore leftest ideas.

ChaosEnginesays...

Your healthcare system is mental. It's ridiculously complex.

Look, here's how you do healthcare.

Step 1: everyone pays taxes and the government pays for hospitals, doctors, etc.
Step 2: you get sick and said hospitals treat you.

That's it. It's really simple and even if it has some problems, it's still so much better than any of this nonsense.

greatgooglymooglysays...

No reason at all for a healthy young person to get insurance under this plan, even with the lower 1:5 premium ration allowed. I think this is the plan, make it destined to fail so it can be scrapped entirely in 3 years.

bobknight33says...

What exactly is your point?

You point about an article from 2014 ( obama care era) that the current system is shit?


That Cuba citizens live as long and pay less? That Communism is better? That Cubans live shit life's but have live as long? Sign me up for that stuff... Then I 'll build a boat out of trash bans and float 90miles to tot the USA for a worse life. Sign me up for that stuff.


What is you point because are not putting anything out but your straw man argument.

newtboysaid:

Look it up.

America was 50th out of 55 countries in 2014, according to a Bloomberg index that assesses life expectancy, health-care spending per capita and relative spending as a share of gross domestic product. Expenditures averaged $9,403 per person, about 17.1 percent of GDP, that year — the most recent for which data are available — and life expectancy was 78.9. Only Jordan, Colombia, Azerbaijan, Brazil and Russia ranked lower.

Cuba and the Czech Republic — with life expectancy closest to the U.S. at 79.4 and 78.3 years — paid much less on health care: $817 and $1,379 per capita. Switzerland and Norway, the only countries with higher spending than the U.S. — $9,674 and $9,522 — had longer life expectancy, averaging 82.3 years.

Less than 1/10 the cost for better results sure sounds better to me.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/u-s-health-care-system-ranks-as-one-of-the-least-efficient

Shepppardsays...

The point that a nation full of poverty with hugely less spending...has a better life expectancy than you do?

Who cares about what they're doing with their lives, shithole or no. They still get to live longer than you do, who gives a shit how.

How can you not look at ANY American system (because the same results were there pre-obamacare, rest assured.) and not realize how flawed that is?

Lets even just say.. "You spend more, it should be better", capitalism at its finest... but it's not. That's the point. You're spending ten times as much on shit, but your result is the same if not worse. That means either you need to spend fucking less on that kinda shit (because obviously, if cuba can find the exact same drugs for less, I'm sure the place that makes them can find a way.) Or you need to start living until 102 to justify the price tag.

bobknight33said:

What exactly is your point?

You point about an article from 2014 ( obama care era) that the current system is shit?


That Cuba citizens live as long and pay less? That Communism is better? That Cubans live shit life's but have live as long? Sign me up for that stuff... Then I 'll build a boat out of trash bans and float 90miles to tot the USA for a worse life. Sign me up for that stuff.


What is you point because are not putting anything out but your straw man argument.

newtboysays...

My point, Cuba's health care system provides better results for 1/10 the cost, even though their patients are almost all living well below what we call the poverty level and with the constant stress of living under communism.

That is objective fact, not Michael Moore make believe.

bobknight33said:

What exactly is your point?

You point about an article from 2014 ( obama care era) that the current system is shit?


That Cuba citizens live as long and pay less? That Communism is better? That Cubans live shit life's but have live as long? Sign me up for that stuff... Then I 'll build a boat out of trash bans and float 90miles to tot the USA for a worse life. Sign me up for that stuff.


What is you point because are not putting anything out but your straw man argument.

Fairbssays...

I'm with you, but it wouldn't work because Socialism is a dirty work in the US even though there are tons of examples such as the military, cops, roads, streetlights, ...

#2 and related is that everything has to be seen under the lens of capitalism which is short for ponzi scheme where a very small number of people at the top get filthy rich while everyone else bends over and pretends that they could be that guy at the top some day.

ChaosEnginesaid:

Your healthcare system is mental. It's ridiculously complex.

Look, here's how you do healthcare.

Step 1: everyone pays taxes and the government pays for hospitals, doctors, etc.
Step 2: you get sick and said hospitals treat you.

That's it. It's really simple and even if it has some problems, it's still so much better than any of this nonsense.

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