Don't you fools understand?!?! Xenu = Cthulhu and he watches the news bitches!

You say one thing wrong - Just saying his name (his other name i mean) and he will haunt your dreams man...

YOUR DREAMS!!!

You ever tried to run from a 10-story tall, great old one, evil elder god in your dreams!?!? good luck with that!
I'd walk out too!

>> ^ponceleon:
So, what's the deal? If you are asked about something and it is wrong, wouldn't you just say "no actually, we don't believe in that."

That's easy--the real answer would make them seem silly. This indignant response is carefully crafted PR management.


Scientology is no different than any other religion.

It's a tough question. Every religion has some self-defense mechanisms against detractors. Every religion has some rituals that seem crafted to trick weak-minded people into belief. I would call Scientology a religion that has had an artifically long life through its focus on self-defense mechanisms and legal protections. Without its legal successes, its silly beliefs and malicious practices of punishment, exclusion, and coercion would have been public knowledge years ago.

He obviously hasn't read the How to Talk to A scientologist essay at Xenu.net. This part in particular:

Don't talk to them about the weird stuff. Most Scientologists don't know about it and are trained in the idea that finding out about it too soon will kill them. So just leave that entirely alone. It may freak you out and you may want to share it, but they will think it is a personal attack.

>> ^schmawy:
Hey at least the origin of homosapiens in the eyes of Scientology goes back 75 million years. Christianity would have me believe humans originated 4,000 years ago.


Actually the genus "homo" has only been around for 2.5 million years, with "modern" man "homo sapiens sapiens" existing for about 200,000 years.

They're just as wrong, only in the other direction.

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>> ^bcglorf:
>> ^Shpydir:
Christianity could learn a lot from Scientology. They don't even have levels! I'd imagine it simplifies the holier than thou arguments if you can point to a certificate.

Go the other way and convert RPG's into religions. Then everybody tired of leveling up their virtual avatars can do it in real life instead.


I'm sure that's already been done!

Almost: http://www.jedichurch.org/

>> ^ABTechie:
It violates his beliefs to talk publicly about his beliefs. What?


Rule #1: You don't talk about Fight Club Xenu.
Rule #2: You don't talk about Fight Club Xenu!

>> ^Shpydir:
Christianity could learn a lot from Scientology. They don't even have levels! I'd imagine it simplifies the holier than thou arguments if you can point to a certificate.


Go the other way and convert RPG's into religions. Then everybody tired of leveling up their virtual avatars can do it in real life instead.

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So, what's the deal? If you are asked about something and it is wrong, wouldn't you just say "no actually, we don't believe in that."


The problem is the scam requires that fully brainwashed recruits believe the xenu story, so it can't be publicly denied. Neither can it be publicly admitted though, or else nobody would sign up in the first place. As a result, the cult's best response is to act indignant and refuse to answer.

And yes, Xenu is part of Scientology's doctrine as one of the tools they use to attack anyone talking about Xenu is that the copyright to the papers belong to the 'church' and distributing it without their approval is a violation of copyright. Many websites have been required to remove references to the documents as a result. It's notably the only time that Slashdot.org has ever successfully been forced to take down anything because of a legal suit.

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>> ^thinker247:
"Do you believe that there was an intergalactic emperor named Darth Vader who fathered twins who would later kiss, even though you knew they were related?"
George Lucas: (removes his microphone and storms out)


This is awesome.

It's interesting to see the reaction of Scientologists when they're asked about this. They almost all deny it publicly. Journalists really shouldn't let them get away with it. It's universally reported to exist by ex-scientologists who have reached the training level, it's come up in public court documents, and it's seen in copies of L Ron Hubbard's notes.

In the past, the Scientology celebrity center had a nice african women as a public spokesperson. She would deny all the claims about Xenu whenever she was asked about it. But someone eventually figured out that she was not even at the training level of operating thetan. You only learn about Xenu at operating thetan level 3. So sometimes even their public speakers don't really know anything about the church.

In Tommy Davis's case, I'm pretty sure he knows about Xenu. According to wikipedia, he's both denied it in the past, and also referenced Xenu's existence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_W._Davis

>> ^thinker247:
"Do you believe that there was an intergalactic emperor named Darth Vader who fathered twins who would later kiss, even though you knew they were related?"
George Lucas: (removes his microphone and storms out)

LOL thinker!! I quite enjoyed that.

>> ^HollywoodBob:
I don't know why people have such a problem with Scientologists, their beliefs are no more ridiculous than those of Mormons, Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc., ad nauseum.
Finding Scientology to be more absurd than your personal religion just makes you a hypocrite and an idiot.


It's not the absurdity, but the deliberate malice of scientology. The basic tenate of most every other major religion in some way amounts to treating your fellow man by the golden rule. Scientology has nearly the exact opposite tact and actively encourages that any opposition be attacked and destroyed by absolutely any and all means necessary to do so. Other major religions also actively work to distribute their scriptures and teachings for free. Scientology again takes the exact opposite approach and actively uses every law available to stop the distribution of their religious materials and beliefs. Those aren't just banal differences, they are fundamental.