thanks for the insight. well made point

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i wouldn't say that the economist is 'conservative' per se...

probably more accurate to say they are 'fiscally' conservative, such as in free trade and free markets, which says nothing of their social policy leanings

they did support the invasion of iraq and continue to do so, but are also vocal critics of how the war has been prosecuted

they've also criticized individuals such as paul wolfowitz, silvio berlusconi, and supported clinton's impeachment, as well as having called for rumsfeld's resignation

they did support g.w. bush's election in 2000, but backed john kerry in 2004

labels are nifty, but are often not very accurate

i wouldn't say that the economist is 'conservative' per se...

probably more accurate to say they are 'fiscally' conservative, such as in free trade and free markets, which says nothing of their social policy leanings

they did support the invasion of iraq and continue to do so, but are also vocal critics of how the war has been prosecuted

they've also criticized individuals such as paul wolfowitz, silvio berlusconi, and supported clinton's impeachment, as well as having called for rumsfeld's resignation

they did support g.w. bush's election in 2000, but backed john kerry in 2004

labels are nifty, but are often not very accurate

Well, I suppose making snide insinuations that Paul Wolfowitz (or "The Paul Jew Wolfowitz", as the original YouTube user calls him) either hand a in or foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks is a step back from making less equivocal yet equally baseless accusations. The clip implies that in the Rebuilding America's Defences paper, the sentence "[T]he process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event--like a new Pearl Harbor" means "[T]he process of transformation... is likely to be far too long a one, therefore we need to engineer or facilitate a catastrophic and catalyzing event--like a new Pearl Harbor." However, there's no reason to think that it means any such thing. Further, given that the satellites, missile defence systems etc. advocated by the paper are practically useless for fighting a non-lateral "war on terror", 9/11 could hardly be considered an effective tool in securing them.

"Reading up on him, he's a strong supporter of 'pure neoconservatism' a la Wolfowitz. . . . .I think this requires a lot more thought than just tossing him in with the neo-cons. . ."

Now, what were you saying?

Reading up on him, he's a strong supporter of 'pure neoconservatism' a la Wolfowitz and not much a supporter of the 'Bush neo-con agenda' as you put it. The Neocons don't fully accept him as he was heavily anti-Regan and he's, of course, strongly against Bush's faith based agenda. I think this requires a lot more thought than just tossing him in with the neo-cons, but if you want to lay a simple label and walk away, it's your choice.

Anti-semitism is a big problem in the Islamic world. I have experienced it myself first hand. There are three major causes of this anti-semitism. Firstly, many corrupt rulers indulge and often encourage hatred of the Jews and Israel in order to deflect criticism away from their own corrupt and cruel regimes. Secondly, in many countries the relevant areas of history and politics are excluded from the educational syllabuses, and the public debate of important and contentious political issues is restricted. Thirdly, the single greatest factor contributing to anti-semitism is that for over fifty years we have seen the Israelis oppress the Palestinians - including daily humiliation, terrorism and murder and a concerted effort to steal Palestinian land and annex Jerusalem. People need to learn that they can be strong supporters of Palestinian independence and strong critics of Israeli government policy without resorting to anti-semitism or calling for the destruction of Israel. Criticising Israeli government policy is NOT anti-semitic.

MEMRI TV - A WARNING:

In my daily trawl through YouTube I have encountered many videos from the following site: Memri TV This website only shows the very worst of the Islamic world - radical fringe preachers with little or no public support, unobjective critics of America and Israel, anti-semites, holocaust deniers, misogynists, etc. However, it presents these opinions as if they are widely held, rarely questioned, and representative of the Islamic world. Further more - and this is particularly worrying - the site often mistranslates, or takes out of context, what major Islamic leaders are saying in order to make them seem more extreme and bigotted. The site uses an Arabic title and icon in order to try and disguise its real agenda.

Who are Memri? They send out their videos to all senators and congressmen, and all mainstream media, so we should really know something about them!

MEMRI was founded in 1998 by its president Yigal Carmon, a retired colonel from Israeli military intelligence, and the academic Dr. Meyrav Wurmser. Meyrav Wurmser and her husband David Wurmser were both co authors of A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel) which was the precursor for the Wolfowitz doctrine- which led to PNAC - Project for the New American Century. Dr. Meyrav Wurmser received her doctorate at George Washington University, by researching the life and works of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism. Her husband David Wurmser works directly under Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. It was David Wurmser that told Dick Cheney that Wilson's wife Plame was the one that sent Wilson to Niger.

MEMRI's headquarters are in Washington DC. It is a non-profit organization, exempt from taxation, that has private donors. MEMRI's largest donor is The Bradley Foundation. The Bradley Foundation has also provided funding for the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC brought together prominent members of the (George W) Bush Administration (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) in the late 1990s to articulate their neoconservative foreign policy.

MEMRI TV - A WARNING:

In my daily trawl through YouTube I have encountered many videos from Memri TV. This website only shows the very worst of the Islamic world - radical fringe preachers with little or no public support, unobjective critics of America and Israel, anti-semites, holocaust deniers, misogynists, etc. However, it presents these opinions as if they are widely held, rarely questioned, and representative of the Islamic world. Further more - and this is particularly worrying - the site often mistranslates, or takes out of context, what major Islamic leaders are saying in order to make them seem more extreme and bigotted. The site uses an Arabic title and icon in order to try and disguise its real agenda.

Who are Memri? They send out their videos to all senators and congressmen, and all mainstream media, so we should really know something about them!

MEMRI was founded in 1998 by its president Yigal Carmon, a retired colonel from Israeli military intelligence, and the academic Dr. Meyrav Wurmser. Meyrav Wurmser and her husband David Wurmser were both co authors of A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel) which was the precursor for the Wolfowitz doctrine- which led to PNAC - Project for the New American Century. Dr. Meyrav Wurmser received her doctorate at George Washington University, by researching the life and works of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism. Her husband David Wurmser works directly under Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. It was David Wurmser that told Dick Cheney that Wilson's wife Plame was the one that sent Wilson to Niger.

MEMRI's headquarters are in Washington DC. It is a non-profit organization, exempt from taxation, that has private donors. MEMRI's largest donor is The Bradley Foundation. The Bradley Foundation has also provided funding for the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC brought together prominent members of the (George W) Bush Administration (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) in the late 1990s to articulate their neoconservative foreign policy.

Firstly - this is a dupe - http://www.videosift.com/video/The-clash-we-are-witnessing-around-the-world-is-not-a-clash-of-religions

While the women in the video may have some good points to make she resorts to simplistic generalities and ill-informed comments. For example, although we haven't seen Jews blow themselves up, for over fifty years we have seen the Israelis oppress the Palestinians - including daily humiliation, terrorism and murder and a concerted effort to steal Palestinian land and annex Jerusalem. This is just as appalling as the acts of a person forced to blow themselves up out of desperation.

Free Palestine - حرﺓ‎‎‎ فلسطين

MEMRI TV - A WARNING:

In my daily trawl through YouTube I have encountered many videos from Memri TV. This website only shows the very worst of the Islamic world - radical fringe preachers with little or no public support, unobjective critics of America and Israel, anti-semites, holocaust deniers, misogynists, etc. However, it presents these opinions as if they are widely held, rarely questioned, and representative of the Islamic world. Further more - and this is particularly worrying - the site often mistranslates, or takes out of context, what major Islamic leaders are saying in order to make them seem more extreme and bigotted. The site uses an Arabic title and icon in order to try and disguise its real agenda.

Who are Memri? They send out their videos to all senators and congressmen, and all mainstream media, so we should really know something about them!

MEMRI was founded in 1998 by its president Yigal Carmon, a retired colonel from Israeli military intelligence, and the academic Dr. Meyrav Wurmser. Meyrav Wurmser and her husband David Wurmser were both co authors of A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel) which was the precursor for the Wolfowitz doctrine- which led to PNAC - Project for the New American Century. Dr. Meyrav Wurmser received her doctorate at George Washington University, by researching the life and works of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism. Her husband David Wurmser works directly under Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. It was David Wurmser that told Dick Cheney that Wilson's wife Plame was the one that sent Wilson to Niger.

MEMRI's headquarters are in Washington DC. It is a non-profit organization, exempt from taxation, that has private donors. MEMRI's largest donor is The Bradley Foundation. The Bradley Foundation has also provided funding for the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC brought together prominent members of the (George W) Bush Administration (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) in the late 1990s to articulate their neoconservative foreign policy.

Yeah - as blatant as Wolfowitz's attempt to secure a pay rise for his girlfriend at the World *Bank

I can't stand you guys.. I submit this 10 days earlier.. and nothing.. just dies in the queue. http://www.videosift.com/video/Crony-Paul-Wolfowitz-stars-in-The-Bank-spoof

Ok, I'll admit, I didnt get this... What the hell are these office clips about? this all went over my head.

But I think I do agree with the message, Wolfowitz=not so good.

from wiki:
; ...Beginning in 2005, it was alleged that Paul Wolfowitz, President of the World Bank, used his position to influence a pay and grade increase for his partner, Shaha Riza. When Wolfowitz was appointed, Shaha Riza had to leave the bank and was allocated to the State Department, working in the office of Liz Cheney, daughter of Dick Cheney. For more details see Wolfowitz Scandal.

The World Bank head of "Institutional Integrity" department is Suzanne Folsom. She is the wife of George Folsom who is the President of the International Republican Institute and a personal friend of Paul Wolfowitz. According to the Financial Times her appointment as "a person close to Mr Wolfowitz, and with a political background...to a unit that was seen as independent of the president's office since it was set up in 2001" was met with concern by some senior staff. Wolfowitz's efforts are seen by some senior staff to have led to "a lack of consultation by Mr Wolfowitz's advisers, and an atmosphere of suspicion.'

and this is what controls the world economy. sounds like a soap opera.

Isn't this a well known trick? Surely Paul Wolfowitz does this all the time? ;-D

While the women in the video may have some good points to make - and in fact I'm pretty certain she is referring only to the Taliban and not to the entire Muslim world as some would like us to believe - she also resorts to simplistic generalities and ill-informed comments. For example, although we haven't seen Jews blow themselves up, for over fifty years we have seen the Israelis oppress the Palestinians - including daily humiliation, terrorism and murder and a concerted effort to steal Palestinian land and annex Jerusalem. This is just as appalling as the acts of a person forced to blow themselves up out of desperation.

MEMRI TV - A WARNING:

In my daily trawl through YouTube I have encountered many videos from Memri TV. This website only shows the very worst of the Islamic world - radical fringe preachers with little or no public support, unobjective critics of America and Israel, anti-semites, holocaust deniers, misogynists, etc. However, it presents these opinions as if they are widely held, rarely questioned, and representative of the Islamic world. Further more - and this is particularly worrying - the site often mistranslates, or takes out of context, what major Islamic leaders are saying in order to make them seem more extreme and bigotted. The site uses an Arabic title and icon in order to try and disguise its real agenda.

Who are Memri? They send out their videos to all senators and congressmen, and all mainstream media, so we should really know something about them!

MEMRI was founded in 1998 by its president Yigal Carmon, a retired colonel from Israeli military intelligence, and the academic Dr. Meyrav Wurmser. Meyrav Wurmser and her husband David Wurmser were both co authors of A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel) which was the precursor for the Wolfowitz doctrine- which led to PNAC - Project for the New American Century. Dr. Meyrav Wurmser received her doctorate at George Washington University, by researching the life and works of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism. Her husband David Wurmser works directly under Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. It was David Wurmser that told Dick Cheney that Wilson's wife Plame was the one that sent Wilson to Niger.

MEMRI's headquarters are in Washington DC. It is a non-profit organization, exempt from taxation, that has private donors. MEMRI's largest donor is The Bradley Foundation. The Bradley Foundation has also provided funding for the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC brought together prominent members of the (George W) Bush Administration (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) in the late 1990s to articulate their neoconservative foreign policy.

The simple fact is that QM has never attempted to offer a balanced or objective view of the Islamic world in any of his/her posts or comments and has only resorted to crude name calling and ill-informed stereotypes and generalities. The title of the this video is grossly misleading - by calling your video 'the truth about the present condition of Islam' you seek to paint all Muslims and the entire Islamic world as backward and unthinking. There are billions of Muslims in this world from hundreds of countries who speak thousands of languages. The Islamic world is incredibly diverse incorporating a plethora of cultures and traditions. The extremists and literalists are only a tiny drop in the ocean of modern Islam. They are unrepresentative, and have very little support. However people do support resistance against Israeli and American imperialism, and the vile dictatorships - propped up by America - that rule many Islamic states.

While the women in the video may have some good points to make - and in fact I'm pretty certain she is referring only to the Taliban and not to the entire Muslim world as you would like us to believe QM - she also resorts to simplistic generalities and ill-informed comments. For example, although we haven't seen Jews blow themselves up, for over fifty years we have seen the Israelis oppress the Palestinians - including daily humiliation, terrorism and murder and a concerted effort to steal Palestinian land and annex Jerusalem. This is just as appalling as the acts of a person forced to blow themselves up out of desperation.

MEMRI TV - A WARNING:

In my daily trawl through YouTube I have encountered many videos from Memri TV. This website only shows the very worst of the Islamic world - radical fringe preachers with little or no public support, unobjective critics of America and Israel, anti-semites, holocaust deniers, misogynists, etc. However, it presents these opinions as if they are widely held, rarely questioned, and representative of the Islamic world. Further more - and this is particularly worrying - the site often mistranslates, or takes out of context, what major Islamic leaders are saying in order to make them seem more extreme and bigotted. The site uses an Arabic title and icon in order to try and disguise its real agenda.

Who are Memri? They send out their videos to all senators and congressmen, and all mainstream media, so we should really know something about them!

MEMRI was founded in 1998 by its president Yigal Carmon, a retired colonel from Israeli military intelligence, and the academic Dr. Meyrav Wurmser. Meyrav Wurmser and her husband David Wurmser were both co authors of A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (Israel) which was the precursor for the Wolfowitz doctrine- which led to PNAC - Project for the New American Century. Dr. Meyrav Wurmser received her doctorate at George Washington University, by researching the life and works of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism. Her husband David Wurmser works directly under Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff Lewis "Scooter" Libby. It was David Wurmser that told Dick Cheney that Wilson's wife Plame was the one that sent Wilson to Niger.

MEMRI's headquarters are in Washington DC. It is a non-profit organization, exempt from taxation, that has private donors. MEMRI's largest donor is The Bradley Foundation. The Bradley Foundation has also provided funding for the Project for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC brought together prominent members of the (George W) Bush Administration (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) in the late 1990s to articulate their neoconservative foreign policy.