Hey, after the whole WMD thing this isn't that big a lie or foul up. Now if they try to go to war on this... well, SSDD then.

>> ^Jinx:

>> ^Duckman33:
I'll leave this here too:
http://i.imgur.com/EZLaA.jpg

He didn't say the US didn't gain anything by it, but not even Hitler murdered 3000 of his own countrymen to build a stronger case against the Jews. It especially doesn't make any sense when you consider that they had to sell the idea of WMDs in Iraq and fabricate as many connections between Saddam and Osama as possible. If they really plotted to bring those buildings down and had the competence to keep it so well hidden then why did they get the wrong fall guy?

There are no such thing as secrets now anyway. Given the scale of 9/11, the coordination with the planes striking the building...any conspiracy must have had a rather large number of people involved. Any conspirator must have known there was a massive risk that any one of these people would have second thoughts about murdering thousands of civilians or improperly covering their tracks. The chance of discovery is colossal and I can't see how the benefits of this stunt would ever outweight the risks. Succeed and you get the Patriot Act. Fail and you doom your party/political ideology for the next century or two.
Razer: "Plane hit building. Building fall down."


I posted that for something to think about, not as a plausible theory as to why or how 9/11 happened. But please, go on with your bad self. And I will state for the record again since you guys REALLY don't seem to get it, I never said Bush had anything to do with 9/11. In fact if you read my comments in this thread it's pretty obvious I'm not of that line of thinking in this matter. But by all means guys, keep putting words in my mouth.

>> ^Duckman33:

I'll leave this here too:
http://i.imgur.com/EZLaA.jpg

He didn't say the US didn't gain anything by it, but not even Hitler murdered 3000 of his own countrymen to build a stronger case against the Jews. It especially doesn't make any sense when you consider that they had to sell the idea of WMDs in Iraq and fabricate as many connections between Saddam and Osama as possible. If they really plotted to bring those buildings down and had the competence to keep it so well hidden then why did they get the wrong fall guy?


There are no such thing as secrets now anyway. Given the scale of 9/11, the coordination with the planes striking the building...any conspiracy must have had a rather large number of people involved. Any conspirator must have known there was a massive risk that any one of these people would have second thoughts about murdering thousands of civilians or improperly covering their tracks. The chance of discovery is colossal and I can't see how the benefits of this stunt would ever outweight the risks. Succeed and you get the Patriot Act. Fail and you doom your party/political ideology for the next century or two.

Razer: "Plane hit building. Building fall down."

You're correct, I should not have brought a discussion from another thread into your post. Sorry about that.

As far as removing it from my channel. I'm not sure a parody of a conspiracy actually qualifies as a conspiracy as described in my channel's description.

I don't mind being made fun of, or teased for my beliefs. My friends do it all the time. But being belittled and condescended because of them is another story. And that shit's getting out of hand here on the sift as of late. Everyone here seems to think they are the know all and be all of every subject on the face of the earth, and it's a tad bit unsettling to be honest. I find it amusing how vehemently people defend that there's nothing fishy about 9/11, when clearly there's a lot fishy about it.

IMO, Ponce is now engaging in a form of bullying on the sift, picking on Marbles repeatedly whenever the subject of a conspiracy comes up. He's acting like a Jr. High School punk because someone believes differently than he does. It's no different from picking on the "Fag" because he's not that same as you.

The Daily show while being comedy actually talks about factual events going on in the US and the rest of thew world even though it uses a comedic spin to do so it's still "news" IMO.

In reply to this comment by Boise_Lib:
I'm fairly new around here and I need some enlightenment.

I don't care about the fight from another thread spilling over here, but doesn't the mere mention of the Illuminati invoke one of the biggest conspiracy theories of all time? I see your point about this being a parody of conspiracy people, but by that parody they are talking about the theory (I don't buy it BTW).

They're making fun of a real conspiracy theory. Should The Daily Show be included in the "news" channel? I say yes--but conspiracy is your channel, so it's your call.

Thanks

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>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

If you have something to say about @<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/marbles" title="member since May 7th, 2011" class="profilelink">marbles, at least have the courtesy to do so in his presence. Calling him out in a thread where he has not yet uttered a word is unsporting.


He/she/it is just being a douche to the nth degree because he/she/it thinks there are no such things as conspiracies and that anyone who thinks there are is an idiot. Yes ponc we all know our government would NEVER lie to us, the American people, EVER, right? I'm so glad they found those WMD's in Iraq. Or else that would mean they lied to get us into an unnecessary war.

Sorry but this doesn't qualify for my channel, it's comedy not a conspiracy *nochannel *spacy *lies *comedy

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Colin Powell, Al Jazerra, Iraq, WMD' to 'Colin Powell, Al Jazeera, Iraq, WMD, al qaeda' - edited by xxovercastxx

I agree with the trial westy, but to say the CEO should have vetted information and seen through the lies of professionals is a bit much.

If the sources know one thing, it is how to manipulate--even one of their own.

>> ^westy:

So he is admitting that he himself didn't do his job in vetting what was in the document and checking that the sauces were correct , WASN'T IT HIS JOB TO CHECK THAT THE SOURCES WERE CORRECT ( ie not coming from one guy that was waterboarded). sure he has other people to go over the document but you cannot just say OH THEY TOLD ME SO I BELIEVED IT.
evan if he is or was inosent Why are we still not having a high profile trile of the people that presented the intelligence as being of value ?
Also the Neo-conservatives just wanted an excuse to go to war with these countries the intelligence didn't even matter they had and still have an agenda we dont know about and they simply used the events of 911 and bullshit inteligence as a way to get what they want , they have no intrest in doing whats best for "the people" they are only intrestead in whats best for them and "there people" which is probably 200,000 or so super ritch people.
I dont see why we dont try governments that go to war with people and fail , they are guilty of the killing of many people us troops and people on the other side. If we don't have triles and understand how this can happen then it will happen time and time again.

I'm fairly new around here and I need some enlightenment.

I don't care about the fight from another thread spilling over here, but doesn't the mere mention of the Illuminati invoke one of the biggest conspiracy theories of all time? I see your point about this being a parody of conspiracy people, but by that parody they are talking about the theory (I don't buy it BTW).

They're making fun of a real conspiracy theory. Should The Daily Show be included in the "news" channel? I say yes--but conspiracy is your channel, so it's your call.

Thanks

In reply to this comment by Duckman33:
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

If you have something to say about @<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/marbles" title="member since May 7th, 2011" class="profilelink">marbles, at least have the courtesy to do so in his presence. Calling him out in a thread where he has not yet uttered a word is unsporting.


He/she/it is just being a douche to the nth degree because he/she/it thinks there are no such things as conspiracies and that anyone who thinks there are is an idiot. Yes ponc we all know our government would NEVER lie to us, the American people, EVER, right? I'm so glad they found those WMD's in Iraq. Or else that would mean they lied to get us into an unnecessary war.

Sorry but this doesn't qualify for my channel, it's comedy not a conspiracy *nochannel *spacy *lies *comedy

>> ^Duckman33:

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
If you have something to say about @marbles, at least have the courtesy to do so in his presence. Calling him out in a thread where he has not yet uttered a word is unsporting.

He/she/it is just being a douche to the nth degree because he/she/it thinks there are no such things as conspiracies and that anyone who thinks there are is an idiot. Yes ponc we all know our government would NEVER lie to us, the American people, EVER, right? I'm so glad they found those WMD's in Iraq. Or else that would mean they lied to get us into an unnecessary war.
Sorry but this doesn't qualify for my channel, it's comedy not a conspiracy nochannel spacy lies comedy


As for there being no conspiracies, duckman, you have me in error. I am absolutely the first to say that the government CAN lie to us. The lack of WMD was a real travesty and showed how a few people could blow bad intelligence into an excuse for going to war. That said, there is a VERY big difference between the quite provable WMD incident and the Building 7 thing which it seems like there can't be any amount of logic or evidence to convince the truthers.

>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:

If you have something to say about @marbles, at least have the courtesy to do so in his presence. Calling him out in a thread where he has not yet uttered a word is unsporting.


He/she/it is just being a douche to the nth degree because he/she/it thinks there are no such things as conspiracies and that anyone who thinks there are is an idiot. Yes ponc we all know our government would NEVER lie to us, the American people, EVER, right? I'm so glad they found those WMD's in Iraq. Or else that would mean they lied to get us into an unnecessary war.

Sorry but this doesn't qualify for my channel, it's comedy not a conspiracy *nochannel *spacy *lies *comedy

Actually the stories about iraqi WMDs originated from an informant named curveball who presented this information to german intelligence (BND), but they quickly exposed him as liar craving for validation. The intel was given to allied intelligence agencies ALONG with the assessment. All other agencies just filed the info. All but the CIA which in full awarness of the phoniness decided to use it for Powell's speech. In my eyes that justifies or even compels to bringing the whole bush administration to court.

This is so much bullshit, everyone outside the US partiot haze knew all this "intelligence" was crap, in 2002. Hans Blix and the UN weapons inspectors said it again and again: No evidence of WMDs or even WMD intent. And Powell is simply lying when claiming the UK accepted the intelligence, they admitted as much in the Downing Street memo. This is all bullshit from Powell. Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney and Rove didn't "accept" the intelligence, they fucking ordered it.

Thanks for the promote. I really thought this one would do better.

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*promote

>> ^radx:

His former Chief of Staff was interviewed about this on DemocracyNow as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8tqfIlUIlU


Thanks radx I saw that one.
The only person Cheney doesn't blame is Cheney--Cheney is a dick.
I like Wilkerson, I still say they should have known.
Wilkerson says he had doubts about the intel--but his boss still gave the speech.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

Sorry this isn't getting the votes. I think it is because people need someone to blame, and you can't blame someone who was duped.


Ya, he totally got shafted here. I don't know that I like him that much anyway, but this is pretty shitty any way you cut it.

Building number 7 descended in free-fall...


Why repeat this kind of easily and thoroughly debunked crap? And if you can debunk the debunking, do that. Focus on one thing, and actually make a case for it. Don't just throw out crap like this and pretend there isn't plenty of well researched answers that are a Google search away for anyone.

But, then again, don't bother. Aside from any particular physical evidence, even more clear is the fact that the "alternate" story doesn't make any sense. You want to start a war with Iraq or Afghanistan? How about you find some terrorists from one of those places instead of the random Saudis? Or do a reasonable job planting some WMDs (not memos or hearsay but real bloody stuff that you can bring back hard evidence of) in Iraq (which would have been a hell of a lot easier and better, surer motivation for war). Another idea: find a terrorist plot that would work on its own, instead of a weird compound plot where you fly in some planes, but then also have explosives. It makes no sense.

And why the hell would you bother with tower 7? It just increases your risk of detection without anyone giving a single crap. How many people were going to say, "well, the terrorists got the big towers... but they didn't hurt tower 7, so we don't need to go to war". It's just so very dumb, and it's the kind of mistake not compatible with an otherwise apparently magical, omniscient, undetectable operation.

I can scarcely imagine a bizarre universe where any of this makes sense. If I'm some Illuminati type who can pull of 9/11 the way these guys describe, I could have come up with a million cheaper, easier, surer plans - or even just simple variations that would have decreased risk of detection, funneled American reaction better, and generally been not batshit insane.

Sure people have profited from 9/11 - a lot of varied, disconnected people have probably got moderately rich. But if they needed money and had this kind of skill and willingness to kill thousands, they could have got it a lot of easier ways. Again, if you want to go to war with Iraq, launch a few missiles out of Baghdad into Israel. Boom. Easy (comparatively at least). Or just find a few Iraqis and blow them up somewhere sensitive (and maybe, again, plant some good evidence). Again, just put enough explosive (or, hell, a nuke) in their semi truck to blow up the building - no synchronized controlled demolition required. Or millions other easier, more foolproof plans.

It's like the fantastic idiots who believe Russians surgically modified children and crashed them in experimental aircraft by Roswell (or whatever). Yeah, sure, whatever... I guess it's possible (as in doesn't contravene laws of physics) and I suppose it is an explanation for certain people's claims of experiences. But it's also complete nonsense. It's not a plan that makes sense to work towards any possible goal. And, like these WTC conspiracies, it's trivial to come up with much better plans that don't require nearly the work or risk and accomplish goals easier and better.