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I appreciate these kinds of lies being put down hard. The wingnuts get traction when there isn't a strong voice to expose disinformation. (Swifboating for example) Welcome to the culture war- we're taking ground little by little.

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Gay Marriage: There are people out there who just don't want to shake things up; people who like the status quo and want to see marriage remain M/F only. Exactly what's going on in their heads, I can't say. I'd be interested to find out and I know that won't happen if I scream obscenities at them before they have the chance to explain it.

Illegal Immigration: First, the omission of "illegal" in my first post was just an oversight on my part. I really don't see why anyone would support illegal immigration, honestly. I think the claim that some people do is more likely a distortion. People, generally liberals, argue for better treatment of illegals and against the assload of money we spend trying, and failing, to stop them at the border. Wingnuts then point at those people and claim that they're in favor of illegal immigration. That one feels like runaway douchebaggery to me.

The Holocaust: This guy is labeled an antisemite for his beliefs about the Holocaust. If you're looking for "the point" to denying the Holocaust, then you're way off the mark. It's not as if there is a "point" to believing in the Holocaust, either. That's what you and I, presumably, believe because that is what the evidence presented to us suggests. Some people have interpreted the evidence differently or have been exposed to different evidence. I think most of those people are probably nuts but it's a complete logical fallacy to jump to antisemitism from there.

War on Terror: You've made my point for me here. Everyone I know who is against the war fully supports the troops. We want them home and safe rather than risking their lives to protect us from absolutely nothing. However, anyone who was against the war during the Bush administration was labeled as anti-American, unpatriotic, an appeaser or accused of hating the troops. It's a bullshit accusation intended to shut you up or drown you out and that's it.
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It seems like you may have mistaken my list of examples for my personal positions and that's not the case, so I can't really make any arguments for these things. The only argument I'm making is that you shouldn't assume your preconceived notions are true and shut out those opposing viewpoints as a result. Have your preconceptions if you must, but give the person the chance to prove you wrong.

>> ^Shepppard:
What possible reason other then either being a bible thumper or homophobe is there for objecting gay marriage?
I'm asking legitimately. Two people love each other, they want the same treatment as everybody else. Unless it's wrong in the eyes of the lord, or you don't like seeing a man holding another mans hand, I see no actual valid reason for it.
Now, Beck says he opposes Illegal immigration, big difference to just immigration. I can understand not wanting illegal immigrants, even though they too are just a group of people looking for a better life, but the ones who come over legally, apply for a visa or citizenship.. if they take a job away from an American, then they deserve the spot more then the American, they were more qualified.
I don't see the point of denying the holocost, when there are still survivors OF the holocost, and documents, eyewitness accounts, films, and still photographs proving that millions of Jewish people were encamped, and killed, during WWII. True, you can argue that you don't care about the jews, you just don't believe it happened.. but I don't understand the reasoning for it. Any hard look at the facts would prove that it happened, and unless you really did have some ulterior motive you'd change your views.
Of course you can oppose policies without being a racist, anybody claiming you ARE one is a loon. Obama is NOT the first ever president of the u.s.a. and as far as I know, for each and every president before him, there was at least one group of people that thought "Hey..we don't like you, or your policies, BOO!"
You can oppose the war on terror without hating the troops makes no sense to me. Most people who are against the war seem to be against it because they feel that American blood shouldn't be shed in a senseless war, and want to bring them HOME. I don't understand your point there at all.
Abortion, I agree with you on. My mother is adopted, and while I'm still pro-choice, she is against abortions. If whoever gave birth to her decided on having an abortion instead, she would never have been here.
Look, I'll stop picking apart your post now, because I know the point was actually to promote having an open mind, but your examples given are slightly..flawed. By all means, if you have means to correct me, do so, I will gladly look at all the evidence given to me. But honestly..
some things, some pre-concieved notions, they're honestly true.

>> ^quantumushroom:
But liberals are not peace-loving, they're surrender-loving in the hopes surrender will bring peace. Oops, the jihadists hate Obama and Iran continues to build nukes, so I guess the liberal appeasement plan aint' working (again). (1) Rush Limbaugh? You've never heard him for more than 3 minutes, and then only heavily filtered through who knows what "unbiased" media sources. (2) There was no Obama landslide, and running an asshole RINO like McCain only proves that fakeservatives don't win elections. The Republigoons ignore conservative principles at their own peril. (3)As for "hatred", for a liberal to accuse anyone... (4) The MSM now play up the kooks threatening Obama just like they played down the kooks threatening Bush. (5) The economy will only recover in spite of Obamarx, who is encouraging this recession. (6) See, he is a bitter, angry leftist radical, but you can only see this by the company he keeps (and hires). (6) He NEEDS chaos to thrive, just like Scum Emmanuel said: never let a crisis go to waste. (7)
Hyperinflation is inevitable. Obama? He doesn't give a damn. (8) I salute the people who oppose degrading America into a socialist swamp akin to the dying nations of Europe. (9)


1. Prove any of this with facts or I say it all exists only in your paranoid fantasies.

2. True, I can't stand Rush Limbaugh. But you know, sometimes it doesn't matter how much context you give a hateful comment. Sometimes, it's just unforgivable and that's it.

3. Firstly, Obama won the popular vote with a 7.2% split and 67.8% of the electoral votes, including several states Democrats hadn't won for a very long time and 1 vote out of Nebraska's 5 votes. I don't care what you call that, call it No Landslide or call it a rainbow unicorn, but the message there is pretty crystal clear and if you're denying it, you're nutty. Secondly, why did you ignore McCain's incompetence in campaigning and Bush's incompetence in governing? We all know Obama won mostly because everyone wanted hope of getting out of the nightmare the Republicans left us. Not because your candidate was too moderate. You know the crazies voted for him hoping he would die soon and Palin would ascend. Stop lying to yourself.

4. I'm a libertarian-leaning moderate. You think anyone who doesn't agree with you is a liberal because you're suffering from dementia.

5. Proof or stfu. Oh, and by the way, Fox News is mainstream media, too.

6. You just proved my point. You will never give the man credit for a recovery even if Jesus comes back and whispers it in your ear. I'm not even going to ask for your proof on this one, because unlike you, I am smart enough to know it's a little too early to know enough about this.

7. First, Raum Emmanuel is not the President, and he's probably in there precisely because he's a bit more aggressive than Obama. If you think he's anything like Obama, it just goes to show how little you know about the kind of person Obama is. You want to know what Obama wants and how he wants to get it done? Read the transcript of his health care speech to congress. He wants CIVILITY, he thinks everyone has good ideas worthy of listening to, and he think we all need to compromise. If you want to understand the truth about Obama's thoughts and ideas, there are books out there that he has written. Two of them. I recommend The Audacity of Hope. You will find in that book the exact opposite of the person you describe.

8. Again, read anything the man has said or written, and you find that you are not describing the man. If you insist on contradicting his own words and thoughts, then you should prove it or give it up.

9. Here's a listing of the UN Human Development report's Quality of Life rankings up to and including United States.

01. Norway*
02. Australia
03. Iceland*
04. Canada
05. Ireland*
06. Netherlands*
07. Sweden*
08. France*
09. Switzerland*
10. Japan
11. Luxembourg*
12. Finland*
13. United States

* Europe.

10 of those countries are in Europe. Now you will invent a reason why this information isn't true and provide no contradictory proof or cite some source that provides no contradictory factual proof.

ps. It amuses me how you told me you would open a trapdoor beneath my feet. I'm going to guess you haven't pulled the lever yet. Also, I asked you to bring some proof. Why did I have to ask you again? Does proof not exist?

>> ^quantumushroom:
The art of misdirection. While the radical left-wing moonbat media (all but FOX) makes this yet another exploitive Rahm Emmanuel-level "crisis", Obama's failed economic and social policies stack up like dirty dishes. You can't just sweep 10% unemployment and kissing Arab tyrant ass at the expense of Israel under the rug.
Welcome back, Carter!


People as stupid as you are why this problem exists.

That Rush Limbaugh can spew hatred all day long and then claim that the empathetic, tree-hugging, peace-loving liberals are the evil party and there are sheep that hear this abortion of logic and actually BELIEVE it, that's what's causing the problem.

These extremists and their brainwashed followers are an extremely small minority. You are consistently delusional, so it's no surprise you've decided that you're some how a great driving force in national politics. You lost that election. You got raped in that election. RAPED. The national climate hasn't changed THAT much, even despite your never-ending draw of the victim card and spewing of baseless hatred and lies.

We all know that if the economy recovers under Obama that you're going to credit Dubya. We already know that, because that's the pattern with absolutists who don't give a shit about reality, and you're obviously brainwashed by a couple of them. Never mind that you're judging the man on policies that have barely had any time to make an effect. And who even knows what social policies you're talking about, since practically nothing has really changed on that front.

Please, sit down and stfu and next time you deem us worthy to share in your delusional world, please bring some solid proof to back up the dreck. tia

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