Although there are (hopefully) no statues to Hitler in Germany, to be honest, there is an ongoing debate about remebrance of the Wehrmacht and its generals by the Bundeswehr.
There are still some Bundeswehr bases named after Wehrmacht generals who fought in WW2. And there was a recent report about Wehrmacht paraphenalia (a small part of them clearly praising the Nazi ideology) in Bundeswehr bases.

But the main point in the debate about confederate memorials is that taking down statues or flags does not automatically state that every last Confederate soldier was personally fighting to uphold slavery. What those statues commemorate is what the confederate army as a whole were fighting for.

I wonder how many of the people who marched in Charlottesville and supposedly protested for a more diversifeid view of the confederacy (you see, I am not talking about the KKK, people here but the "Not all of those people were Neo-Nazis"-People) have the same thoughts about islam?
How many of them say "I think most muslims are not terrorists", how dare you take down statues of their generals and leaders?".

Oh and my Grandpa fought in the Wehrmacht. Just saying.

Trump did condemn, unlike Arnold's dad.

Truth and facts but left out that his dad was a Nazi.

His dad decided not to beat the loud and angry voices of the Nazi with louder more reasonable voices. His dad just joined them.

Military career[edit]
Schwarzenegger had served in the Austrian Army from 1930 to 1937, achieving the rank of section commander and in 1937 he became a police officer. After enlisting in the Wehrmacht in November 1939, he was a Hauptfeldwebel (Master Sergeant) of the Feldgendarmerie, which were military police units. He served in Poland, France, Belgium, Ukraine, Lithuania and Russia. His unit was Feldgendarmerie-Abteilung 521 (mot.), which was part of Panzer Group 4. Wounded in action in Russia on 22 August 1942, he had the Iron Cross First and Second Classes for bravery, the Eastern Front Medal or the Wound Badge. Schwarzenegger appears to have received much medical attention. Initially, he was treated in the military hospital in Łódź, but according to the records he also suffered recurring bouts of malaria, which led to his discharge in February, 1944.

Two points come to mind, strictly from the perspective of an armchair general.

First, you need first class logistics as well as industrial capacity to run a doctrine of fire superiority continously over lengthy periods of time. If you can't supply your troops adequatly, suppressive fire becomes a luxury. Basically, industrial prowess allows you to sacrifice resources instead of soldiers. The Sowjets, on the other hand, had ample manpower reserves, yet limited logistical capacities, leaving human waves as a doctrine.

Second, I suppose it's much easier on your nerves to be "pro-active" about incoming fire than to just wait for an opportune moment. The vast majority of soldiers in major wars were civilians with comparatively little training. During the later years of World War 2, for instance, the difference between seasoned Wehrmacht divisions and reserve/Volkssturm units was enormous, despite acute ammunition shortage in the entire European theatre. Interestingly enough, even the replacement of bolt action rifles with semi-auto rifles such as the G43 didn't increase ammo consumption as much as one might expect.

"The truth of course is that the real WW2 was fought on the eastern front and the might of the Wehrmacht was only halted by rivers of Russian blood."

So true.

The History Channel is to history what baconnaise is to condiments.

I was trying (but have failed) to find a War Nerd column (highly recommended reading) on the subject of american military revisionism in WW2. The Sherman "makeover" as actually being a really nice tank and yadayadayada was part of a larger jingoistic effort during the start of the current desert wars. Remember those days of red, white and blue fever? Wonder if the History channel will make a doc on that...

As for the Sherman, you just need to look at it. I would call it a VW Beetle with a turret mounted on top, but that would be insulting a fine car.

The truth of course is that the real WW2 was fought on the eastern front and the might of the Wehrmacht was only halted by rivers of Russian blood.

>> ^Entropy001:
When in reality the Sherman tank was inferior to the German design.
Well, one could argue that it's more of a difference in the underlying philosophy than quality of engineering. German doctrin was based upon the use of what we now refer to as MBTs (Panzer I-V) while the Brits used infantry tanks (Mathilda, Valentine, Churchill, etc) and cruiser tanks (Cruiser, Crusader, Cromwell, etc), and the US troops deployed infantry tanks (Sherman) and TDs (M10, M18, M36). Once you split breakthrough and exploitation or infantry support and anti-tank warfare into separate vehicles, you're bound to end up with vastly different designs that might draw the short straw more often than not if not used properly.


If you include the lack of resources and manpower in particular, Wehrmacht tanks had to be superior individually, because they were doomed to be inferior numerically. Thus, the US could focus on easier and cheaper production. You don't need Zeiss optics and Krupp steel if you simply aim for number superiority. I'd say both design principles fulfilled their respective roles just fine, even though they could hardly have been more different. Simple, easy to maintain and reliable versus the latest in technology.

The Firefly was nice though, 17pdr was a beast.

Or maybe what I wrote is just a load of cockswallow and the German designs were, in fact, simply superior.

That said, this kitty was one hell of an engineering masterpiece. If they hadn't lost access to rare materials, even the transmission might have worked properly and those buggers wouldn't have broken down every 100km.

Still waiting to see the Panther at Koblenz again, last time was a blast.

Upvote simply for the brand new channel "The Wehrmacht ain't what it used to be". Gotta put the smoke grenade clip in along with it. More, please.

>> ^radx:
Dupe of this one.


*dupeof=http://www.videosift.com/video/World-War-II-German-Sniper-Training-Film

I can't stand this. This, is borderline slander of Canada.

Mounties and Police are two different sections of Canadian law enforcement. My father is a cop, my Grandad was a Mountie.

The Mounties do NOT wear the red jacket as standard uniform, they wear it as DRESS clothes, the same way that police officers have dress uniforms.

This can't possibly be real. It can't, they're talking about every Canadian stereotype under the sun, except the fact that we live in Igloo's and ride dog sleds, and even then, the fact that we live in the "Frigid North" implies it. Even though I'm sitting here looking out my window at the sun shining out on my snow-free front lawn, watching motorcycles ride up and down the street because of how nice it is outside.

Christ, Nomino is so right it's absolutely absurd. The Canadian army has so many achievements, even freaking HITLER respected them.

From wiki: "While the German leader had no qualms about destroying culturally significant locations in France including many French war monuments which were torn down by the Nazis, the Vimy memorial carried no messages of Allied triumph over Germany. So it was protected by Hitler, who assigned special units of the Waffen SS to guard the monument from defacement by regular German Wehrmacht soldiers.[10] University of Ottawa historian Serge Durflinger[1] notes that "Hitler admires it immensely, he says so at the time. As a result, the Germans respect[ed] the memorial all through the war."

Respect from potentially one of the most evil bastards that have ever lived, and these assholes can't do anything but make fun of our army?
An army that has suffered casualties at the hand of the united states on multiple occasions? the first few Canadian casualties IN the this fucking war were 9 soldiers that were bombed by U.S. planes.

Jesus, I don't generalize Americans, because I know there are those of you who aren't completely ignorant to the truth, but people like this need to learn some fucking respect and do some research before they decide they want to make fun of an entire nation.

Of course, being detained illegally isn't really going to keep the innocent from becoming bad guys.

You shirk due process, you should expect them to return the favor.

That is why honorable soldiers always honor the enemy, even the ones that do not openly carry and do not wear insignia. Taking the high road is very hard, but it will pay off. Even when men are dieing.

See Rommel, the most respected commander of the Wehrmacht. Orders to kill Jewish soldiers, and civilians were ignored regularly by his command.

Even Patton respected Rommel, that is a hard thing to do. There is no proof that he was involved in the attempt on Hitler's life, however he was privy to it.

I don't believe those are "Nazis" in the film, but rather the regular forces of the German Army (or Wehrmacht). Though the Waffen-SS were involved in Poland, it should be noted that there was a distinct difference between the two.

>> ^waxxx:
Inflation in Germany was one of the prime factors of the fall of the national socialism party. Hitler had many pipe dreams, spoke a lot empty phrases and often held gatherings that were tailored to be energized by packing small venues. I often wonder why he didn't attack other English countries such as Britain?


Um, dude, you wanna, I dunno, study history a bit?

If not for British kickass fighting in the air, a full sea/land invasion would've occured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain
"Had it been successful, the planned amphibious and airborne landings in Britain of Operation Sealion would have followed. The Battle of Britain was the first major campaign to be fought entirely by air forces. It was the largest and most sustained bombing campaign attempted up until that date. The failure of Nazi Germany to destroy Britain's air defence or to break British morale is considered its first major defeat.[7]

Neither Hitler nor the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (OKW) believed it possible to carry out a successful amphibious assault on the British Isles until the RAF had been neutralised. Secondary objectives were to destroy aircraft production and ground infrastructure, to attack areas of political significance, and to terrorise the British people into seeking an armistice or surrender. Some historians, such as Derek Robinson, have argued an invasion could not have succeeded; the massive superiority of the Royal Navy over the Kriegsmarine would have made Sealion a disaster and the Luftwaffe would have been unable to prevent decisive intervention by British cruisers and destroyers, even with air superiority"

I used to be in the Slaytanic Wehrmacht, but then I became a Republican. Soldiering is what the lower class does.