>> ^T-man:
Why the hell did they remake this movie. Gene Wilder is Willie Wonka. He has that devilish quality but he also has that twinkle in his eye that was missing with Johnny Depp.
[And Tim Burton is grossly over-rated as a director.]


I half agree.

The 1971 musical Willie Wonka movie was best. However, I like both Gene Wilder and Johnny Depp's approach. It's sorta like choosing your favorite Bond or Dr. Who. Preference, of course, is Wilder, but I think Depp -- it's been a while (like 15 years) since I read the series -- I think Depp was truer to the original books.

Also, I think Burton is fantastic. Sure, maybe (maybe!) a little over-rated, but not too many directors make the kinds of movies he makes; so there's a little reasoning for why he *may* be over-rated.

Personally, I think carbon-based lifeforms are over-rated.

I like both versions of Willy Wonka and I don't feel they can really be compared. Depp's Wonka version is supposed to be creepy, without the twinkle, and the whole movie is a bit darker ( IMO anyway ). The cheap duplication of the midget for the Oompa-Loompas was a huge disappointment though. I really looked forward to the modern interpretation of them.

>> ^T-man:
Why the hell did they remake this movie. Gene Wilder is Willie Wonka. He has that devilish quality but he also has that twinkle in his eye that was missing with Johnny Depp.
[And Tim Burton is grossly over-rated as a director.]

Why the hell did they remake this movie. Gene Wilder is Willy Wonka. He has that devilish quality but he also has that twinkle in his eye that was missing with Johnny Depp.

[And Tim Burton is grossly over-rated as a director.]

ugh, Tim Burton is soooo pretentious.

American cinema always treats its audience like idiots, I believe much of this is done to make the film readily accessible to the rest of the world and thus increase revenues.

It takes a filmmaker with final cut and independence to really create something that is unique and intellectually engaging, Kubrick did this with 2001. That movie was like nothing before or since, no dialog for the start and end, no standardized narrative structure, the entire film was essentially carried by images and sound.

The problem lies with the cost of production, no one wants to spend millions of dollars on something that is smart but doesn't guarantee box office sales, that's why they hit a intellectual mid mark, an example of this I would say is the Matrix. It could have been far more abstract or far more action packed. But it tried to stick to a middle.

I have yet to see a comic book film that really satisfies besides Tim Burtons take on Batman, the story lines always seem so contrived, trying to make everything realistic instead of being really just a superhero movie. I remember watching Spiderman and noting just how shit the whole plot was, how hard they tried to beat down on Peter Parker, how little of that enormous power he gains when he is Spiderman is displayed. How shit the CGI was.

The transformation was missing there for me, Peter Parker is a ordinary person yes, but he ain't a bitch. And they made him a bitch in the films, from the scenes were he is being pushed around campus, to his bubbling ways, to that horrible emo transformation. It was just wrong. It wasn't the spider man I remember reading about. I kept remember how much better the characters and plot line were better in the mid 90s Spiderman cartoon series, I watched them again worried that maybe my memories were rose tainted over time. But no. They weren't the cartoon series understood the character better then the film, they ran with it, they transported the comic book to its own universe and played with it. And it was awesome.

Would you believe that that is Danny Elfman, composer of the Simpsons theme and long time associate of Tim Burton?

Ghoul? That would work for Tim Burton's goth remake staring Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter.

I'm a Burton/Depp fan too, but I agree that they seem to be getting lazy.

So what is your profession? Are you in the arts?

Also, why is your queue empty? Fill that bad boy up.

In reply to this comment by critttter:
I was more of a Tim Burton/Johnny Depp fan, 'til a few years ago. I feel like they are both a short step away from doing one of those pirate movies together soon. Sweeney Todd is one of my favorite musicals, which is why I am so leary of the movie. But - I am going to heed your insight and give it a try, especially since you had an affinity for the musical too. This is perhaps the push I needed.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Are you a Sweeney fan too?

There is actually a lot to like about Burton's Sweeney, but he completely miscast the two leads. Depp and HBC are way to small, pretty, soft, young and fashionable to play Sweeney and Lovitt.

In reply to this comment by critttter:
Hey, Sweeney Floyd is here to entertain, not aggavate! Tag removed, no problem. In fact, I didn't bother to see the movie because I heard it was gutted. Can't believe they left this out.

I was more of a Tim Burton/Johnny Depp fan, 'til a few years ago. I feel like they are both a short step away from doing one of those pirate movies together soon. Sweeney Todd is one of my favorite musicals, which is why I am so leary of the movie. But - I am going to heed your insight and give it a try, especially since you had an affinity for the musical too. This is perhaps the push I needed.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Are you a Sweeney fan too?

There is actually a lot to like about Burton's Sweeney, but he completely miscast the two leads. Depp and HBC are way to small, pretty, soft, young and fashionable to play Sweeney and Lovitt.

In reply to this comment by critttter:
Hey, Sweeney Floyd is here to entertain, not aggavate! Tag removed, no problem. In fact, I didn't bother to see the movie because I heard it was gutted. Can't believe they left this out.

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Hey, for the first time, I just stumbled upon the "congrats gold!" thread that was made for me eight whole months ago. So now I'm thanking everybody individually to make up for the deafening silence. Thanks!

In reply to this comment by redthing:
Woo Congratulations
Tim Burton's "Vincent"
Breakfast at Tiffany's "Moon River"
Yum

This is actually pretty good. Very Tim Burton-esque. Definite self-sift, though. Oh well. *ban

^lol
i find the show to be quite witty and whimsical. The production design is also top notch and stylish (reminds me of Tim Burton). I was intrigued to watch just from hearing the synopsis.
I think Olive has a great voice (I think the wonders of her "rack" is due to tape and lift up bra's)

I like how they made Olive and Chuck friends instead of mean mortal enemies.

I think I'll go read my subscription to "Knit Wit" now :-)

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*horrorshow loves Tim Burton!