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what a profoundly sad thread this has become.

i am not referring to the most excellent posts by @Chairman_woo and his discourse with @shinyblurry.

no.

it is the ignore function use i am talking about.
what an intellectually weak and vapid excuse to not engage with those who you may disagree with or (gasp) not actually like.

are your tender sensibilities so fragile as to not survive scrutiny of one who may disagree? or is it the manner in which they disagree?
is THAT the measure of how you judge anothers ideas?
words?
and you find this to be a valid reason?
this makes sense in your world?

well allow me to point out that without the dissenting voice challenging your preconceptions and only allowing those that parrot the same homogenized,pastuerized vanilla-same cloned vomit will only serve to create a stagnant pond of lifeless banality.

but as long as you are safe in your little bubble world in which you are always right and the circle-jerk perpetuates a lackluster and flaccid worldview.then thats ok right? as long as the echo chamber reflects how RIGHT you are.

@chingalera offends you?
good! because maybe you needed to be offended.

@VoodooV we have to apologize to @bareboards2 for derailing her thread?
no we fucking dont.
human discourse is by its very nature an ugly evolving creature.so get over yourself.love your commentary,hate your high horse..so get the fuck off it.

@bareboards2 is a very nice and sweet woman,and sometimes can be sensitive but she is a big girl and i dont think we will find her weeping in a dark,curtains drawn room.in fact i am willing to bet she loves the fact her video got such a great discussion going.so who are you to judge? or tell us what we should or should not do for that matter?

this brings me all back to my main point.
the sift used to have a vibrant community that discussed,argued and debated.the arguments were legendary and we still see old skool sifters refer to these people with fondness,even if they disagreed with them vehemently.
they were passionate and had something to say.
the list reads like a funeral march to those great voices who have passed and no longer engage in the sift:@MINK,@rougy,@choggie,@thinker247,@joedirt

what do we have now?
bunch of panty waist pussies who will only jump on the band wagon because other people join in the carnage.jumping on @BoBknight,@shinyblurry,@Lantern.
its like a bully convention with free crystal meth.
these folks might as well be black living in mississippi in the 1800's.
look! a chrsitan fundamentalist!
a conservative right winger!
lets lynch em......

and those tired pussies dont even have the courage to choke on their own hypocrisy.
wont even acknowledge that those in the minority have some serious balls to post comments on a secular left site.
this hasnt become a self-masturbatory thread.
its one big circle jerk.

so to those old skool peeps that i know still lurk here on the sift.
please come back.
for the love of god come back.
because these pussies are to busy sucking each others dicks.

im going to get some fresh air because you fuckers have sucked all the vibrance out of the air and left it stale with your own hubris.

and for the love of christ.get the fuck over yourself.

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so why is it still here? looks *dead anyway
>> ^thinker247:

kill

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>> ^peggedbea:

@thinker247 made an epic one about the life of rush limbaugh, i think screen shots are still up on my fb


Those were terrific.

@thinker247 made an epic one about the life of rush limbaugh, i think screen shots are still up on my fb

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IF the dead video is indeed the original, then this video would be considered a dupe. The * dupeof and the * isdupe invocation would used, then the embed from this video, the dupe, should be used to fix the original. We're not allowed to post dupes, even if the original is dead.

Having got that out of the way, there is little I have to go on to know if this video is a dupe or not of the one linked by chiccorea. I can only tell that the dead one is 3:22, and this video is 3:23; and that the dead video's YouTube title is "Bill Maher on Mormonism and Religion in Politics". It could be a dupe, but for me that's not enough information to make an informed decision, because I never watched the dead video. Bill Maher has talked about Mormons on more than one occasion, so it's not enough evidence for a conviction, IMO.>> ^thinker247:

discuss
What's the protocol when the original is dead and the dupe is alive?

Thanks for starting this discussion, @thinker247.

Here's what I think.

First, some facts as I have gleaned them from hanging around for awhile.

1. The dupe feature is there so that the sift isn't cluttered up with duplicates.
2. The original post "wins" -- first come, first served.
3. If a video's embed is discovered to be dead, the poster has two days to fix the embed. (what happens after two days? I've never been clear.)
4. Folks come and go on the sift.

Here are some subjective things I have learned.
1. People love a good video.
2. New people are here all the time.
3. Older videos are buried in the archives and aren't likely to be seen.
4. Duping a video that is currently getting a lot of views and a lot of votes effectively immediately buries a currently popular experience.

Actually, I just realized I have gone off topic.

What I think about duping to a dead? You can't do it. It isn't a dupe if the original is dead.

If someone goes to the original video and fixes the embed, then it is no longer dead, and the dupe feature makes sense and protocol is back on track.

Then the question becomes, what is served by fixing a dead video posted four years ago by a sifter who hasn't been here in over a year? Possibly two? All it does is remove a currently popular vid from current sifters.

The dang thing made it to number three, before it got pulled in here.

To me, this is easy. Fix the original embed, then dupe to your heart's content.

Then perhaps have a separate discussion about how duping works in general. (Dang, I just told @chicchorea that I was going to drop this subject. And then thinker247 dangled this discussion in front of me. I have no will power, I swear.)