>> ^spoco2:

Exactly... this is why 99.9999999999999999999% of all conspiracy theories are absolute bunk.
All this shit that people think they 'know' about 9/11, and how it MUST have been thermite, MUST have been re-rigged to demolish.
They really need to get their heads around the fact that what they've come up with is something that is maybe, possible plausible but in NO WAY the most likely, the most reasonable, or even probable... they just come up with convoluted ways that things could conceivably occur and then decide that that MUST be fact.


Speaking of the Kennedy assassination there was no reason to kill him. None. People think it's because he was going to pull the troops out of Vietnam but he was never going to do that, they took one quote and turned it into a promise of his to pull them out like he was fighting more powerful interests. He was a bastard like all the other bastards. His historian even had to rewrite the books to make it look like he was a big pacifist.

Exactly... this is why 99.9999999999999999999% of all conspiracy theories are absolute bunk.

All this shit that people think they 'know' about 9/11, and how it MUST have been thermite, MUST have been pre-rigged to demolish.

They really need to get their heads around the fact that what they've come up with is something that is maybe, possible plausible but in NO WAY the most likely, the most reasonable, or even probable... they just come up with convoluted ways that things could conceivably occur and then decide that that MUST be fact.

Next time I see some etch a sketch's on sale for cheap-o I am picking some up.

So I can take out the aluminum powder and make thermite

Drop in 30lbs of thermite, kill the volcano. Thermite kills everything.

That is most definitely NOT thermite.>> ^aimpoint:

mmmh thermite....

mmmh thermite....

And there were many reports of explosions in the basement and lower levels of the buildings.

The NIST never examined any evidence for traces of explosives or thermite, to the best of my knowledge.

It's all just a matter of placing the thermite in the correct position so when the towers fell, they would deposit and then light the excess thermite on key structures in tower 7.

Simple math, really.

>> ^therealblankman:

If you look closely you can see the streams of molten metal from the previously implanted explosives and thermite. Also note that the tower collapses faster than the force of gravity, leading to the inescapable conclusion that evil space aliens created a singularity that sucked the antennae into oblivion.


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>> ^therealblankman:

If you look closely you can see the streams of molten metal from the previously implanted explosives and thermite. Also note that the tower collapses faster than the force of gravity, leading to the inescapable conclusion that evil space aliens created a singularity that sucked the antennae into oblivion.


Nice. years from now when they are still trying to say the 7/15 tower collapse accident. We can point to this post and say, "This is were it all began. No fire has ever brought down a tower! The Aliens must be found and made to tell the Truth. We found carbon in the rubble. Proof that a plasma nuclear milk cow was used."

If you look closely you can see the streams of molten metal from the previously implanted explosives and thermite. Also note that the tower collapses faster than the force of gravity, leading to the inescapable conclusion that evil space aliens created a singularity that sucked the antennae into oblivion.

I have read basically none of the above comments ('cause there's just too damn many of them.)

The facts I have gathered are:

1) thermite is crazy shit that can basically boil lava.
2) planes hit some buildings in new york.
3) that sucked. a lot of people died.
4) a lot of people got angry about a lot of people dying.
5) somehow a lot of iraqi civilians got killed because of this.
6) thermite can be made, used and ignited in a civilian's back yard.
7) other people who are not "civilian" could make or use thermite for reasons other than science.
9) thermite probably does not make the best sandwich spread. I'll stick with banana peppers to spice things up.
10) people could have put a couple hundred pounds of thermite in the plane before the plane flew into buildings.
11) burning jet fuel can probably ignite thermite.
12) okay i contributed. I'm done now.

Also crushed silicon dioxide or silicates in the wreckage (e.g. glass, granite, marble, concrete, and anything else consisting mostly of rock) could react violently with aluminum, in a very similar reaction to thermite. See http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:fdBLS0oP0csJ:www.amazingrust.com/experiments/how_to/Thermite.html+silicon+dioxide+and+aluminum&cd
=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

Edit: marble is carbonate, not silicate, but most rocks are silicates.

>> ^dannym3141:

>> ^jwray:
>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^jwray:
Also, the gravitational energy released by the collapse could put a shitload more heat into things that were already really hot.

I, for one, am very unsure on this idea that the gravitational potential energy of bricks falling a maximum of 800m (the very very top bricks only) are a source of major internal heating in a building collapse.
Random thought experiment - if i dropped 50 kg of wood from 800m, that's a lot of gravitational potential energy. Would it set on fire, then, on impact with the ground?


17.4 degrees C for iron dropped 800m in a vacuum. More or less for other things depending on their specific heat capacity and the exact configuration of the collapse. Things that get a lot of shit falling on top of them may get a 10-100 times larger share of the energy than the average depending on the parameters of all the materials (if you drop a hard thing onto mush, the mush absorbs most of the impact).
Also, imstellar, 99.9% of all legitimate scientists don't support the "WTC was an inside job done with thermite" hypothesis. For one, it violates occam's razor. The planes alone were enough. A lot of people actually DIED on those planes and were never heard from again. Plus there is VIDEO of the planes crashing into the buildings.

I find your answer lacking. 17.4 degrees C for what amount of iron dropped in a vacuum? Saying 17.4 degrees C "for iron" is tantamount to telling me you looked it up on wikipedia. As a statement of fact, it makes no sense! It depends on so many things - shape, the amount, what it lands on.. I have a suspicion you have an idea of what you're talking about, but you'll need to do better than that kind of comment.
And don't forget that only the very top bits are falling 800 m, it falls less and less the further down you go, and the fall is so complex, collisions taking place, things landing on other things, bouncing off things, slowed down, sped up, who knows what's going on in the middle?
It's still looking suspicious that your statement that the GPE of the falling shit will somehow shoot huge temperatures up to even huger temperatures.


You'll have troubles looking up temperature in any scientific literature because the real measure that matters in energy. Temperature is just a measure of how much energy a particular object is storing in the form of heat. Jwray's very valid point is simply that a skyscraper is storing an utterly enormous amount of energy in the form of gravity. If even a small portion of that energy is converted to heat, which a collapse is guaranteed to do, it will raise temperatures of whatever material absorbs that heat. If it is concentrated enough it could melt whatever is heated up. The point is simply that the collapse turned more than enough energy into the form of heat to melt a good mass of steel, the question is only how that energy was distributed through the wreckage. Odds are in a random collapse it will be distributed fairly broadly, meaning less temperature increase per mass, but the already very hot steel may not have needed that much either.

All said, it is absolutely hard to say. Meaning it's hard to rule out the collapse and simmering fires within the wreckage couldn't have melted some steel over time. Hard say that would be expected either. The more complex an event is the harder it is to predict.