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TDS 2/24/14 - Denunciation Proclamation
Trancecoach" I just quoted you claiming that Napolitano believes that the Lincoln pursued the war to restore the union, when that's exactly what he's not saying here."
Where did you quote me? I missed that.
I am not "attacking" the "comedians." I quoted/"plagiarised" Thomas DiLorenzo who pointed out "[Jon Stewart's] "hit" was about how the Judge wrote in one of his publications that the U.S. probably could have ended slavery the same way that New York, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine, New Jersey, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and all the other Northern states did, as well as the British empire, Spanish empire, the French, Danes, Dutch, Swedes, and others during the nineteenth century did: namely, peacefully. . . . " and that Stewart (in his inimitable wisdom as an historical scholar) was wrong in his assertion that war was the way to go.
And, whatever Lincoln's reasons were for going to war, of course there are always options other than imperialism (despite what manifest destiny might have you believe). Same as Truman having options other than nuking Japan. Or Bush the second having options other than invading Iraq and Afghanistan.
Whatever Lincoln's "reasons" were for going to war and thereby leading to the slaughter of 620,000 people and the maiming/disfigurement of over 800,000+ others, these reasons are not the same as what his options were, and the white washing of history does not change this very basic fact.
Since this topic appears to have gone off the reservation, let me reign you back in for a moment.
I encourage you to re-watch the video we're commenting on.
This whole discussion, including the commentary by Jon Stewart on the Daily Show, is all a response to Judge Napolitano's comments, on what is supposed to be an actual news network and, I imagine, supposed to be taken seriously?
Napolitano says: "Instead of allowing it to die, helping it to die, or even purchasing the slaves and then freeing them, which would have cost a lot less money than the Civil War cost, Lincoln set out on the most murderous war in American history."
That's what he said. In this very video, which is what we're all commenting on.
You're attacking the comedians for making jokes about this and accusing them for doing what Napolitano just did!
He's the one claiming that Lincoln attacked the south to free the slaves!
So, again I ask, what are you even talking about?
This video, the daily show response, all of this argument, was supposed to be about Napolitano being totally wrong. I originally commented here because you were parroting his claims that Lincoln had a lot of options, but chose "murderous war" instead of buying every slave or whatever other imagined option you think he had.
So either you understand why the Civil War started, and we agree, as you sometimes seem to indicate, or you're in agreement with Napolitano and his view that Lincoln started the Civil War as one of his apparently many options for ending slavery.
So which is it?
Do you understand why you make no sense?
TDS 2/24/14 - Denunciation Proclamation
TrancecoachHmm, so Stewart and Wilmore seem to be saying that the U.S. couldn't have ended slavery in the same way that New York, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine, New Jersey, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and all of the other Northern states did (not to mention the British empire, the Spanish empire, the French, the Danes, the Dutch, the Swedes, and many many others during the nineteenth century), namely, peacefully. (For reference, see Jim Powell's Greatest Emancipations: How the West Ended Slavery; and Joanne Pope Melish's Disowning Slavery: Gradual Emancipation and Race in New England, 1780-1860).
Rather, Stewart and Wilmore seem to be saying that 750,000 dead Americans (and even more than double that number maimed for life), to say nothing of the total destruction of the voluntary union of the founders, was in fact the only way to end slavery. Southerners (only six percent of whom actually owned slaves) were, according to Stewart and Wilmore, "willing to die to preserve slavery" and so, therefore, the Great Oz (er, I mean, The Great Abe) did what was necessary...
So says this renowned historical sage, Jon Stewart, and his cast of clowns...
Swedish trick with a bandana??
chingaleraHAH!
Sooooo, it was Swedes who invented the mullet, eh??
What was the question everyone asked when they saw ABBA for the first time???
What are those two smokin' Amazons doing with those tiny geeks?
Swedish rock bands from the 70's. Best Pics Evar!
http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=20064&page=1
Why Are American Health Care Costs So High?
BicycleRepairManNo, the US spends MORE TAX MONEY per capita than, say, Sweden and all those other countries with "free" healthcare.(except for 3 of them) Swedes do pay more taxes, yes, but its not because of healthcare.
ON TOP of all those taxes, Americans pay private insurance or bankrupt themselves in order to actually get healthcare when they need it.
http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2013/02/23/which-nation-has-the-most-per-capita-government-spending-on-healthcare-france-italy-the-united-states-
sweden-canada-greece-or-the-united-kingdom/
Also, to say Americans pay more for healthcare does not take into account how much Europeans pay in taxes in order to get whatever healthcare they get. So it's not clear where he gets that Americans pay more for healthcare or how he measures that.
Procrastinatron (Member Profile)
eric3579Swede wanted in ythe lounge. the lounge had a question for a swede. do Swedes open surstr..mming underwater?
Swedish Navy Vs. Norwegian Navy
skinnydaddy1 says...In terms of a pissing match. The Swedes win this round. The Norwegians went home wet.
Swedish Navy Vs. Norwegian Navy
XaielaoThe Swedes and Norwegians have a very healthy rivalry. The Swedes basically just pissed that Norway kicks their ass at winter sports.
democracy now-william binney on the US surveillance state
articianI've certainly never met a Swede that has been as rude as you.
And yeah, the US is fucked, and the rest of the world with us if we don't stand together. But insulting those of us who are open-minded enough to understand what's going on, what's at stake, and openly fight against it, is just making it easier for the shit-government to win.
Don't be a dick. I don't even watch TV.
Ive watched 20 mins so far, and I have no problem.
However I'm Swedish and used to watch slow, factual, documentaries with a non-mainstream type of setup.
So I wouldn't be surprised if your brain has been washed too much with the bleach that is insta-super-news a'la Fox/CNN/Etc format of information feed.
Back To The Future Clock Tower Scene - (Home Made Version)
Trancecoach*sweded
Iron Man 3 Trailer Parody
antWe need a *swede!
sort of a parody
but really a swede.
Iron Man 3 Trailer Parody
Trancecoachsort of a parody
but really a swede.
Peter Stormare Is Going To Replace You
chingaleraSame here, brilliant Swede of a bit-man
Spinning Duck at Fairground Fails / Wins
PancakeMaster*swedes *sweden
Screaming in Sweden
Babymech says...Swedes always get incredibly carried away if exposed to loud noises... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUpA1ee2WE0
Sears takes inventors idea all the way to China
rottenseedSweden. I'd have the Swedes put together my widgets. It's not cost effective, but I'd like to knock them down a peg.>> ^bobknight33:
It appears that SEARS ripped off this dudes idea.
As a side question:
If you were a CEO of a company and had to decide where to make your widget where would you make it? In the USA or China?