Yeah, fuck this.

This isn't profound and it isn't inspirational. It's bollocks.

And I don't care if the guy's secretly a genius and this is some kind of subversive performance art. It's just not interesting on any level above the kind of bland platitudes that Hallmark produces.

You want something profound and interesting? Go read some stuff on zenpencils.com. You could open a page a random and it will be better than this.

Just saw a clip of Michelle Obama as one of the first 'guests' on the re-vamped Tonight Show....Sick, twisted, shit. Hope against hope that Fallon isn't being forced or otherwise seduced to use his popularity, talent, and charm for yet another pep-rally for the political-subversion disinformation-infotainment machine.

Doubting this seriously.

Sellouts every one of 'em.

@newtboy
"i know you are but what am i i"?

that had me cackling like a loon.bravo my friend.

please understand guys my comment is in reference to this particular thread,not any previous private or otherwise.

my commentary was also tongue-n-cheek and not to be taken too seriously.
i was poking the hornets nest...like a boss..who also happens to be a dick.

please forgive.

as for conflicting private to public messages.
well..that would infuriate me as well newt.you wont get an argument from me on that point.
that speaks to a persons character and integrity and explains a ton in regards to your attitude towards @chingalera.

our integrity is all we have.
when you take away everything,the only thing left we have to trade is our word.
our honor.
our respect for another human being.
when we lose that trust....we lose everything.

i do not know the particulars on how you all conversed in private.its none of my business and not my place to judge.

but if what you are saying is true newt (and i have no reason to believe it isnt.there is a past precedent in that regard) then i have to ask @chingalera why?

why say one thing in private and then another in public?
that is so disengenuious and un-necessary my man.
you make good solid points..often,and often i agree with them.
so why would invalidate them by interacting with such duplicity?

you cant call out newt for disregarding or dismissing your points because it was YOU who invalidated those points by your interactions with him.

and you know this.
dont act like you dont because i know your smarter than the average bear.so dont insult my intelligence by feigning innocence.

you owe newt an apology.period.

and dont prove @VoodooV right.we both were there when you flamed out and it was ugly.
and you made it ugly by taking it personal.
i never judged you for that..still dont.
but that does not mean i condoned how you played that closing scene out.
real people had real feelings hurt...including you.

now i realize this thread is destroyed and i dont even know who i need to apologize to.
so...
to the original poster:i am truly sorry for this tragic hi-jacking of your thread.

but it appears necessary.

@chingalera i realize that much of what you do is to shock people out of complacency.
to get them to perceive a situation with different goggles.
many times the weapons you use are confrontational language and a persistence that rivals the most glorious case of OCD.

those intentions are noble.
i agree and am of a similar mindset.this is probably why i can read choggie-speak with little trouble.

i understand what you are trying to do.

but how can you expect someone like @newtboy to listen to anything you have to say when you cant keep even basic correspondence open and honest?
it invalidates everything you attempt from then on out.
your words have to have the weight of your integrity behind them for them to have ANY impact.
you lose that and your words become dust.

sounds like you will have to work to gain the respect from @newtboy.i wish you well in that endeavour.

please understand i consider you a friend @chingalera and hearing this has upset me a great deal.

and @VoodooV,
you may be right brother.i do not know what the future brings.hopefully ching will prove you wrong.i know he could if he wanted.

but i disagree with keeping the riff raff out.
i dont mind confrontation or arguments.in fact i LOVE them and @chingalera has a talent for poking the hornets nest and shattering the monotone-vanilla-circle-jerk-clones into a frenzy.

and that my friend..is a good thing.

@chingalera keeps the locals buzzing,constantly challenging pre-concieved notions and ideologies and i love that fucker for that.he keeps this site interesting.his antics bring lurkers to actually comment/post and others who usually side-line to jump in.

all good things.

but...
i cannot abide the darker side.
the hurtful side.
maybe i am being naive'....i always see redemption for those who the entrenched masses see as unredeemable.i always feel i can save those who are truly lost.

i always see the human first and the actions last.

so you may be right.i just hope you are wrong.
maybe this thread will impact my friend and remind him we are all humans.

i dont know.........
i hope though...
i hope.

@ChaosEngine again,as i told newtboy,no argument here.
hopefully this derailed thread has cleared some air and brought the things to the table that needed to be discussed.

which from my viewpoint is about integrity.
you cant admonish people for being egocentric and then turn around and be egocentric yourself.
it weakens the very position you were trying to make in the first place.(ching,not you CE).
it is hypocritical.

i am a dissident.
a radical.
a subversive.
even to the church i am an apostate.
so i understand @chingalera on a certain level.he has never treated me other than a friend and compatriot.so it pains me to see how he deals with those he disagrees with,and just how far he will take a story to a painful conclusion.
this does not give be joy or pleasure.

he is a righteous dude.passionate,sensitive and creative and has soooo much to offer.
im sorry ya'all didnt get to see that side of him.
but maybe thats on him,because you all should.

there is a reason he has been invited back multiple times and its not because he whined about it but rather he truly is an exceptional human being.

maybe he should show that side more.
takes honesty and courage,but that boy has a huge capacity for that.

@chingalera
balls in your court brother.
what ya gonna do?

*note* for all those who read to this point.
cookies and milk will be served in the back storage room.
free fondlings for the ladies.
dont forget to tip your bartenders and waitresses!

i had never even heard of this conference.
fuck TED.this is where it is at.
the subversive dissident in me is highly pleased.
thanks @radx and @lurgee for the introduction.

I think you guys aren't giving him the credit he deserves really. No one ever said that any one particular piece of art from an artist decides whether or not they have something valid to say, and in the interests of swaying you over towards thinking that he's up to his hype, check out his work on the west bank wall and possibly the simpson's sofa-intro-thingy that he did.

I think it's great as you could probably tell. If he was mindlessly scribbling or just putting foul language up then i could understand anyone's concern, but they're at least well considered and put together. And at least he's trying to make a difference with what he says. Moar subversion!

I actually thought the kid sidekick was one of the better kid sidekicks in movies and arguably, even a subversion.

and a fantastic line....
"Dads leave sometimes, you don't have to be a pussy about it."

I didn't like towards the end of the movie when it got really fucking insane. I would've rather it kept to the captive, captor relationship and the subversion that comes with it. I think like many movies though, it had to get bloody for people to be interested.

I'm getting the feeling that folks are missing the subversive quality of what Mr Bob is doing here. Not an asshole, not creepy -- he is challenging us thru humor. I thought maybe I was reading something into it, however I shared this with someone else and they concurred.

And the title is great, because it sets us up for one thing, and then we get another.

Thanks brotha!
In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
Statist subversion at its finest: Drug War.
*quality *doublepromote

Statist subversion at its finest: Drug War.
*quality *doublepromote

Wonderfully subversive.

I wonder if there is a video in existence with the power to make males feel objectified in the same way that Girls Gone Wild type videos make females feel objectified? I'd like to know what that feels like, but our culture just isn't even handed when it comes to gender and sexuality issues.

It's sort of like when Louis CK says that racial epithets like 'cracker' or 'honky' are not particularly offensive or menacing to most whites, they're just silly words - not to justify black racism towards whites. I applaud issy and hpqp's subversive rebuttals to the Christmas boob video, but I can't imagine too many males feeling oppressed by this. I think most guys who are relatively secure in their sexuality would find this funny. If anything, it seems like a fair trade: naked ladies for naked men.

In reply to this comment by dag:
Well, I have to channel gay Dag to determine this. (What's that you say? shouldn't be difficult?) I think this is too retro and ridiculous to have real sex appeal. Tom Selleck was a winner.>> ^hpqp:

Does it pass the test? >> ^dag:
Hmmm.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

I think this looks more like some extreme members of the tea party... Looks more Tea Party to me...
You mean the ONE guy who ONE time expressed his 2nd Amendment rights and legally took a pistol (openly in a holster) to a meeting? As opposed to this...
http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstre
et-the-rap-sheet-so-far/
OWS was (and stil is) far more violent, radical, crazy, and lawless than the Tea Party ever was. Members of OWS are far more likely to engage in violence and subversive actions.


Guy taking a gun to a meeting - it's a right.

People taking to the streets to demonstrate - it's crazy, radical, violent and lawless.

Thanks for clearing that up winston.

I think this looks more like some extreme members of the tea party... Looks more Tea Party to me...

You mean the ONE guy who ONE time expressed his 2nd Amendment rights and legally took a pistol (openly in a holster) to a meeting? As opposed to this...

http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/

OWS was (and stil is) far more violent, radical, crazy, and lawless than the Tea Party ever was. Members of OWS are far more likely to engage in violence and subversive actions.

I think all religious texts were written by people with sincere beliefs... so whats the difference? the number of different authors of the bible makes it more valid than other religion's texts? and whose christianity is the right versions of the textsts and interpretations? After 2000 years of pondering the texts does christianity stand together as a united whole?

>> ^shinyblurry:

If you would kindly provide some evidence of that I would happily debunk it for you, because as it stands your conspiracy claims are fairly ridiculous. The gospels were written by people with sincere beliefs, as evidenced by their martyrdom..or perhaps you think it is reasonable to believe that the disciples would be willingly tortured and killed in excruciating ways for something they knew to be a lie, when all they had to do was recant? They were also written in the memory of living witnesses. Are you one of those people who deny that Jesus even existed? Even dawkins is intellectually honest enough to admit it:

>> ^xxovercastxx:
>> ^shinyblurry:
There's only one Satan. He is a liar and the father of it. He lied to Eve in the garden, he tempted Jesus in the desert, and he is deceiving the world about the gospel.
That there is no Devil in Judaism is widely and readily known. Claims placing him in the Old Testament are contradicting that text, the supposedly infallible word of God. This is Christian retconning in order to close up plot holes and create a more subversive religion that can better be used to control the masses through fear and intimidation.